From SLU: Canadians will NOT be able to age verify.

Posted on SLU:

This is important enough to warn people about.

Integrity CANNOT VERIFY YOUR AGE using your SIN or your passport number, and in fact, it is probably illegal for them to do so under Canada's privacy act.

Check for yourself if you don't believe me:

SIN: 1-800-206-7218 (Option 3 for SIN)
Passport Canada: 1-800-567-6868

Integrity CANNOT VERIFY YOUR AGE using a Manitoba driver's licence (although they would be able to using an Ontario driver's licence number alone, apparently your birth date is embedded within your number).

In short, for most Canadians THERE IS NO CANADIAN IDENTIFICATION NUMBER that allows SL/Integrity to verify your age. NOT ONE. Their asking for these numbers is only a way to get these numbers from you, possibly for data mining.

Darn, so I can scrap my plans for a Canadian-only strip club/ escort and sex-slave service?

what is SLU?

couldn't you just use manual verification and send them copies of a document with your birthday on it?

They can't verify many of the details for residents all over the world. They ask for the last four digits of an American SSN, they ask for full numbers in most other parts of the world.

If they already had the info or could verify it, they wouldn't need full numbers.

LOL!

Seriously though, Soleil, there's already another thread on this.

Yeah I just noticed. Can you tell I don't post here anymore?

And FFS, did LL turn of VBcode?? ARGH

hahah, no worries. As for codes, you have to download Greasemonkey which I think you'll find in the beginning of Resident Answers...

I have also posted info on this on the forum.
Do not be swayed by other people from other countries using these forums. As Canadians we are NOT allowed to divulge the type of information requested.

Sounded like a good idea at the time?

not allowed? since when?
We are allowed to give out any of our personal information we wish to give out, it is just strongly advised to not give out any personal information.

No one has ever told me I am not allowed to give out my Drivers license number or SIN, or whatnot

I verified using last 4 numbers ages ago. No problem

You could but lets look at two scenarios. One real. One Hypothetical.

Real Scenario:

I order Goth CD's from a band in Belgium. Great customer service by the way, they E-mail me letting me know when my CD is ready to ship, when it ships, and if there is an issue at any step of the way, and I only pay for international post shipment, not currier. My last CD had an issue in shipping, an employee of the Belgium mail service opened the package and then tried to reseal it with clear tape obscuring the full address. The vendor was surprised that there was a Return to Sender as they used the same shipping address as my previous CD. None the less my shipment was resent, either repackaged or a whole new CD. This time it arrived without incident, they of course kept me posted.

Hypothetical Scenario:

I mail off my ID documentation to be verified manually, some one in the post system between me and the verifier opens that package or steals that package taking the ID documentation. I wait and wait and wait not being verified and none the wiser till some one tries to use those ID documents to steal my ID. Successful or not it is a major breach of my personal security to have those physically out there for anyone along the line to take, and I have to keep an eagle eye on my Identity ever since.


Would you really want to MANUALLY verify?

Mortus, this is not your mailing address, this is your SIN, which is the key to every single piece of information the government compiles on you, e.g. tax records, census, employment insurance, etc.

And given that SL/Integrity CANNOT verify your age using any of these numbers, since government agencies are forbiden to provide ANY info to ANY non-governmental third party, THEN WHY ARE THEY ASKING FOR THEM? It may well be illegal for them to ask for passport numbers, for instance. It may be illegal for SL/Integrity to ask for these numbers as a means of age verification. A person I spoke to at the CBC sure thought so.

Actually... I like PayPals methods of ID verification better. They either call you or send you a letter with a verification code to ensure the address your account has listed is valid and your address/phone number. I would have had PayPal call me but they can not verify a Cell phone which I am grateful for, and I do not have a land line for them to call.

You send them scanned copies on the support portal, you don't mail them anything.

On the other hand, there has been no assurance of what happens to the scanned copies since the support portal isn't run by LL, and I don't think there's an option to erase tickets from your history so the information could be there and available forever.

Here is the page on Aristotle/Integrity's website that outlines what data is required vs. suggested to verify in various countries around the world, including Canada.

http://www.aristotle.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=113&Itemid=145

On the entry for Canada, I dont see anywhere where they say that a SIN or Drivers License is a required component. It does offer them up as 'suggested' however.

Because it is either you give it or access denied.
Doesn't have to be logic :/

Morden I am not terribly worried about my mailing address, I am worried about the contents of said mail traveling between me and the verifier. The RL Scenario was to demonstrate that mail CAN be opened in transport for any reason, and that include stealing information that can compromise your personal security.

Very well and fine, but as you said, it is hardly less worry some. At the end of the day I do not want any hard copy or persistent soft copy floating around in who knows who's hands. Giving them a DL number is one thing, giving them a scan of said DL and additional documentation is quite another.

I just checked this page against the actual verification page on the account part of the SL website, and weirdly, the SL form requires more items of information than are listed as required on the Aristotle map. And that goes for about seven countries I tried it with.
The mind boggles

Please don't tell me you're a Canadian, Sally.

When I verified back in concierge beta, someone else here told me that in the UK people were verifiying with just name, address and date of birth. This pretty much tied in with the information that Integrity said was required for the UK.

I didn't provide the information that the Aristotle site said was suggested, such as driving licence number, I just left those fields blank and it did indeed verify me.

Have any Canadians tried doing that?

OOOOh nice one! Although..... did you verify via the SL website?