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Ralektra Breda
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01-29-2009 04:11
When I was new I picked up every freebie I could find then wanted to mess with them all and make my own mashup outfits. I found a place called "noob island" where you could 'rent' an apartment for free, and it was yours till you logged out. People could just walk in if they wanted of course, or fly around outside, but there were hardly any people there anyway, so I could stand there for an hour trying stuff on (had to rez it all at a sandbox first). I don't know if that place is still there but it did come in handy (oh and it was pg just in case someone was thinking of using it as a love hotel lol)
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Ceka Cianci
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01-29-2009 04:11
From: Ecko Soulstar
Hi there!
I'm new and looking for some advice on privacy issues in SL.
I've been on SL for a grand total of 2 weeks, and I have been spending lots of time exploring. Obviously I've been trying out new things, and this would include tons of clothing.
Since the first day though I've had problems many times, with changing clothes in private. In that week I found secluded little spots, but still ended up being followed relentlessly 3 times.
After the first week in I learned to build, and created a box with no door. Even decorated it inside with some nice stuff I found in the freebie places. When I needed to change I would throw that box out at my feet, and poof, instant walls. I knew this wasn't a stop all, but it was something of a hassle for most.
Until late last night.
I had been jumping back and forth from SL to Photoshop, working on a new shirt. I jumped back to my SL browser, and there, in the corner of my box, sat this guy, just looking around and relaxing in a chair. It was a first. I'd had friends try to get into the box and couldn't. Granted, we are all new and don't have any real nifty gadgets yet. I had a couple people banging into the walls trying to get a few times. So this guy just sitting there watching me change clothing was rather irritating. I asked him to leave. He wouldn't. So I moved my box, and myself, up into the air, and poof he was right there. 'Just wanting to relax for a while in such a cozy place'. Again, I asked him to leave, and when he still wouldn't, I deleted the box, and pulled out the only real weapon I've had for decent privacy. A chair, with a sit/touch script that rockets more then 4k up into the air. Once up there I rezzed my box out again, and thought I was safe to get back to work. I had just climbed back up on my pose stand, and there he was again, sitting on the couch this time.
By this time I was willing to do anything I could to get rid of this guy, up to and including offering him the whole box to play in if he would would just stop following me. I tried, and of course, some of the objects in the box are no transfer, so that was a no go.
After about 15 minutes of trying to get rid of this guy, I just deleted my stuff, started free fall, and teleported mid air to somewhere else. I gave up on my clothing work for the night.
This wasn't the first time I'd had problems getting a little changing room privacy. It was, however, the most irritating. Even more so then the guy offering me money for for certain services, when I was hiding a remote corner somewhere trying on skins. (He only followed me once when I left him, then called me vicious name and left me alone)
To be honest. It's not about the nudity factor. It's about the perv factor. I'm not modest, IRL or SL. I just don't want to be followed around being harrassed by people talking filthy, or 'relaxing' in the corner for a free show.

Other then buying my own land, (which, 2 weeks in, I'm not ready to commit to), is there anything I can do to get some decent privacy in SL?
Any places that offer it? And when I run into a guy like this one last night, is there anything I can do to get him to leave me alone. Can someone please help me? I had a male friend suggest putting it in my profile, or teling these guys, that IRL I'm a guy. But I don't want people running around thinking I'm a dude when I'm not. It could interfere with other interactions.

Thanks, and feel free to contact me in world or here. I will check back in the this topic regularly.

Ecko, and her RL human - Ecko


you can use my house anytime you like..if iam there i am building or just relaxing or idel and off in photoshop ..so you can change there if you like..plus it's 2,000 meters in the air so if any of these freaks showup and i am around they won't be around for long..they'll be digging themselves out of a billion meters of ground above them looking for the quit button lol
i'm gonna im you the Slurl and you can change there any time you like.. ;)
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Eclectic Wingtips
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01-29-2009 06:49
From: Bellissa Dion
Treasure, using your Mystitool in this way means the person you sent home is within their rights to put in an abuse report against you and it would be considered abuse. Yes it's your land, but LL has provided the tools to take care of things like this and they are the ones that are 'legal' to use. Just a friendly heads up for future reference.

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Actually given how LL has an option to send individual avatars to their home point in the estate management tools I dont see how this could be ARable, given that they themselves have given (estatemangers at least) the ability to do this.

Now using it on a mainland plot might not be the best idea (given that the land around may be public land) but on an estate?? Well it may be questionable and arugable that a person was within their rights
Scott Savira
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01-29-2009 07:02
Some people get off on being stalked.

Just saying... >_>
Ceka Cianci
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Posts: 4,489
01-29-2009 07:05
From: Eclectic Wingtips
Actually given how LL has an option to send individual avatars to their home point in the estate management tools I dont see how this could be ARable, given that they themselves have given (estatemangers at least) the ability to do this.

Now using it on a mainland plot might not be the best idea (given that the land around may be public land) but on an estate?? Well it may be questionable and arugable that a person was within their rights

ya i've never had an AR yet or anything close..on my land or in a private sim working for a club..
and there has been a good amount i've sent off..in our community if griefers show up it's play time and a lot come from all the surrounding sims of the community ready to toss them out..
we don't get much griefing and they are handled pretty quick before a sim crashes..if i got on the channle and posted up anything that looked close to griefing or someone disrupting the community their AR wouldn't hold salt in water..
there would be too many AR's for them to counter..
plus like you said..islands i think they look at different than mainland..all i have to do is set my land to combat and it's over lol they should have never came into a combat zone :D
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Jig Chippewa
Fine Young Cannibal
Join date: 30 Oct 2006
Posts: 5,150
01-29-2009 07:16
Buy some cheap land then build a platforn really, really high. It keeps people out. But then you do miss out on chance encounters.
Seriously (and not meaning any offence) its good to get into the mindset that we are all "cartoons" - these are not our bodies. In that way I keep a "professional distance" from my real self. In theatre and performance (and sl has much in common) you have to get used to stripping down fast and assuming a non-see attitude when you happen to chance on a bloke all naked for example. SL really is better with similar approach.
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Jig Chippewa
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01-29-2009 07:19
From: Scott Savira
Some people get off on being stalked.

Just saying... >_>


I was stalked in real. It's very frightening.
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Fine Young Cannibal
Treasure Ballinger
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01-29-2009 07:21
From: Bree Giffen
You know what? Those guys are getting turned on by what you're doing. Just turn it off completely by putting on a 'male organ' and poking it into them. Take a screenshot of your attachment next to his face, be sure your pic shows avatar names, and give the pic to him. Heck, send it to whatever group you find in his profile. There's so much more you can do to him if he continues to stay.


What a delightful idea! I'm going to buy one today and be ready next time! :) Thanks!
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Treasure Ballinger
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01-29-2009 07:27
From: Jojogirl Bailey
there are idiots in SL just like in RL...the best thing to do is learn how to handle them. the first time something like that happened to me i had a typical visceral reaction as if it was RL and that really shocked me. emotions run strong and feeling violated has no boundaries. once i learned to handle it...i used to run the boogers out on a rail. hehe

the other night some idiot pounded on my home door and demanded to be let in... of course i said no and explained it was a private home. i was in bed ready to log off with my sl hubby. the guy put his face on my wall i guess to camera in and the image of him with his nose in the planks totally cracked me up lol. so i pulled one of my blankets over us...hehe. well the booger knew enough to touch the blanket and make it move up and down... soooo i took the script out and locked it. then we both yelled at him and he left. i was more amused than upset...but i kept thinking...at least he doesnt know how to get in lol.

if anyone ever does camera in and sit on something...you can take the object back into inventory...this dethrones them and then you can eject them etc. if you have perms to do that. ive also been known to read them the riot act and explain that manners apply to SL as well as RL...im sure they love that hehe


I don't think newbies get the concept of private homes, really. I regularly have people flying up to look in my bedroom window, which is on the 3rd floor of my house, if they first try the doors and can't get them to open (because they don't know how to get in). I tell new people, when they come to my sim, that it is a residential sim, that PRIVATE HOMES are around the sim borders but the buildings in the middle are public so feel free to browse through the PUBLIC BUILDINGS, etc......but they still don't seem to get the concept. I don't know how else to tell them, while remaining polite. For a new person, I don't think they are being malicious, they just don't get it. I'd like a way to explain it without doing something ugly to make my point.
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Ceka Cianci
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01-29-2009 07:45
From: Jig Chippewa
I was stalked in real. It's very frightening.

OMG you need a big dog!!! i was watering my horses one day and this guy calls me on my cell telling me i forgot my feed bucket..you want to talk about freaking out..

so i yelled for my dog and he hears a certain tone he goes on alert right now..he runs down to me with his fur up and the guy hung up..

i have a mastiff that is 250 pounds and he will eat a person..i hope they come in my house cause then i know it's all over with..at least for that stalker.

seriously you can train them to not take things from anyone but you and all kinds of things and they will just eat them right up..
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Paracelsus Schonberg
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Join date: 11 May 2008
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Post a sticky on stalkers?
01-29-2009 08:30
The matter of being stalked, or tracked, does come up regularly in the forums. Does anyone else think it might be a good idea to post a sticky at the top of the forum to give advice on how to handle this?
Jig Chippewa
Fine Young Cannibal
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01-29-2009 08:37
From: Ceka Cianci
OMG you need a big dog!!! i was watering my horses one day and this guy calls me on my cell telling me i forgot my feed bucket..you want to talk about freaking out..

so i yelled for my dog and he hears a certain tone he goes on alert right now..he runs down to me with his fur up and the guy hung up..

i have a mastiff that is 250 pounds and he will eat a person..i hope they come in my house cause then i know it's all over with..at least for that stalker.

seriously you can train them to not take things from anyone but you and all kinds of things and they will just eat them right up..


Good idea. I had a husky but he wasnt really a great guarddog. Now I have fences and an electric gate.
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Aeslyn Dae
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01-29-2009 08:58
From: Treasure Ballinger
I don't think newbies get the concept of private homes, really. I regularly have people flying up to look in my bedroom window, which is on the 3rd floor of my house, if they first try the doors and can't get them to open (because they don't know how to get in). I tell new people, when they come to my sim, that it is a residential sim, that PRIVATE HOMES are around the sim borders but the buildings in the middle are public so feel free to browse through the PUBLIC BUILDINGS, etc......but they still don't seem to get the concept. I don't know how else to tell them, while remaining polite. For a new person, I don't think they are being malicious, they just don't get it. I'd like a way to explain it without doing something ugly to make my point.


I know what you mean, and understand people's need for privacy and peace and quiet on the land they're paying tier for - but you can't blame new people for attempting to look around, try things out and explore (as long as they're polite about it).

As newly joined residents, that's what we're encouraged to do from the outset, and yet there isn't really any obvious way to see which land and builds are public and put there for people to explore, or which are private property. The map doesn't help and often the land info doesn't make it clear, even if new folk have discovered how to check that.

I remember as a newbie getting very frustrated when I bumped into ban lines and not being able to distinguish which areas I was 'allowed' to wander around.

Ecko, I found a reasonably quiet and peaceful sandbox I sometimes use where you can open boxes and try clothes or have a go at building etc. I've never been bothered there. If you'd like a LM just send me an IM and I'll drop it on you.

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Lindal Kidd
Dances With Noobs
Join date: 26 Jun 2007
Posts: 8,371
01-29-2009 09:06
From: Treasure Ballinger
What a delightful idea! I'm going to buy one today and be ready next time! :) Thanks!


Don't spend your money. You can get a free one in several places, including the GQ Start Freebie Store
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Scott Savira
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Join date: 10 Aug 2008
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01-29-2009 09:31
From: Jig Chippewa
I was stalked in real. It's very frightening.


Yea, vast difference between RL and SL. We reside in a warm little protected bubble of safety in SL. Whenever we want we can just pull the plug and wakeup.

Still... I'd imagine unwelcomed SL stalking could be pretty unnerving.

From: Ceka Cianci
OMG you need a big dog!!! i was watering my horses one day and this guy calls me on my cell telling me i forgot my feed bucket..you want to talk about freaking out..

so i yelled for my dog and he hears a certain tone he goes on alert right now..he runs down to me with his fur up and the guy hung up..

i have a mastiff that is 250 pounds and he will eat a person..i hope they come in my house cause then i know it's all over with..at least for that stalker.

seriously you can train them to not take things from anyone but you and all kinds of things and they will just eat them right up..


omg that's awesome... I want a mastiff now
Lindal Kidd
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01-29-2009 10:01
You can use my house, too, Ecko. IM me in world for a landmark.

Technical stuff...how did the guy get in your box, and how did he follow you?

You can "walk through walls" in SL. Just rez a cube and sit on it, then edit its position to be inside the locked room.

You can see through walls, too. Position your camera close to a wall. Hold ALT and the left mouse button. Swing your camera to the other side of the wall with the mouse.

You can follow someone with the mini-map, as long as they stay in the same sim. To ditch a stalker, teleport to another region, and then immediately do it again...some tracker gadgets can follow you through a single teleport.
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Lindal Kidd
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01-29-2009 10:31
This is something that in many cases would be considered bad advice.. but what I sometimes do with these types is, I mindfuck with them a little. I start asking them personal questions about their RL, like if they have trouble with their parents, or are lonely, or would like to have someone to talk to. Then I might come out as genderqueer myself and whip out my futanari bits.. It's a dangerous game to play if you are dealing with someone truly deranged. But if it's just your ordinary bored kid griefer.. you'll scare the hell out of them if you have some psychological eye, because you can often make a guess at what kind of issues these types usually do have. Sometimes they might even break up a little at being showed a bit of compassion, or being listened to - I have in fact seen this happening.

But again, I'm evil for getting my kicks out of turning the tables on these guys. And I know how to handle shit. I don't suggest anyone tries this as their first line of defense.
Rhaorth Antonelli
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01-29-2009 11:03
I do not have a house rezzed at the moment, however my workshop is above my store, and anyone needing a place that has a pose stand for adjusting prims (or creating something for attachments and such), it also has a selection of modeling pose stands that I use when doing ads, set up in a white box.

Anywho, if anyone needs a place to work, without being pestered, feel free to drop in (you can get the slurl from my sig, and just fly up you will see it)

I am in the process of redoing all my ads and permissions on my stuff, so there is a chance you might run into me in there, if you do, don't worry, I do not mind company... but do not expect me to chatter as I will be in and out working on the new ads and permissions.

*this offer goes to ecko and anyone looking for a quiet place to work*
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Ingrid Ingersoll
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01-29-2009 11:14
It's just pixels, I wouldn't be too concerned over privacy of my cartoon character if I were you. I routinely run around naked. You should see how few comments I get. Nudity is an overabundant commodity in second life.
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Jojogirl Bailey
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01-29-2009 12:20
the point here is not whether it is pixels or nudity...the point is feeling personally threatened which is a concept the person on the RL end of the avatar feels. there is no discounting feeling a jolt of fear and at least momentarily not knowing how to handle it especially when you are new. As new person in SL, i had a guy attach himself to my face to hump me and i couldnt see. took me a bit to get my camera oriented so i could even tell what was going on and i could not figure out how to get him off. in those moments i felt RL feel, RL invasion, RL threatened. i can laugh about it now, but at the time it never occurred to me to turn off the pc or log out cuz it was happening to ME...not a pile of pixels. it took a bit for me to get my head on straight and realize it was not happening to the RL me and i would not have any adverse effects...but for those few minutes at first, i felt the same level of fear and adrenaline rush that i feel in RL.

i agree about new folks not knowing about where they can and cannot go. on my sims i always tell people...feel free to look around and go into anyplace the door is unlocked. if it is locked it a private home and not available to everyone.
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Lindal Kidd
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01-29-2009 12:32
From: Jojogirl Bailey
the point here is not whether it is pixels or nudity...the point is feeling personally threatened which is a concept the person on the RL end of the avatar feels. there is no discounting feeling a jolt of fear and at least momentarily not knowing how to handle it especially when you are new. As new person in SL, i had a guy attach himself to my face to hump me and i couldnt see. took me a bit to get my camera oriented so i could even tell what was going on and i could not figure out how to get him off. in those moments i felt RL feel, RL invasion, RL threatened. i can laugh about it now, but at the time it never occurred to me to turn off the pc or log out cuz it was happening to ME...not a pile of pixels. it took a bit for me to get my head on straight and realize it was not happening to the RL me and i would not have any adverse effects...but for those few minutes at first, i felt the same level of fear and adrenaline rush that i feel in RL....


I agree completely...something very similar happened to me when I was new. You get immersed, and you DO feel threatened and/or violated.

This immersion is good, when good things are happening...and scary, when bad things are happening. The trick (which generally comes with experience) is to learn how to step back mentally, out of SL and back behind your monitor when something bad happens.
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01-29-2009 13:01
From: Eclectic Wingtips
Actually given how LL has an option to send individual avatars to their home point in the estate management tools I dont see how this could be ARable, given that they themselves have given (estatemangers at least) the ability to do this.

Now using it on a mainland plot might not be the best idea (given that the land around may be public land) but on an estate?? Well it may be questionable and arugable that a person was within their rights


It depends on where the avatar is and how the script is written. Its perfectly ok to give via script anyone on your land (mainland or estate) the power to send home or eject other avatars from a space, rental or similar, that you as landowner have delegated to them for their use. As the landowner you have the right to do this. You also have the right to delegate this to others. And you dont need a group to do this if you dont want.

~o~

A script in an orb or guard thingy, that bangs blue warning dialogs every 30 seconds at avatars not over your land is AR'able.
Dana Hickman
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01-29-2009 16:54
From: Bree Giffen
You know what? Those guys are getting turned on by what you're doing. Just turn it off completely by putting on a 'male organ' and poking it into them.

See! See! Someone else knows this also.... *thumbs up for Bree*
NOTHING in SL works better.
Sure you can play the weapons thing, or the parcel eject thing, or the verbal berate thing, or the AR thing, but NONE of those will turn lil Johnny off so much that he'll skip bothing the NEXT girl too.
Plus it's damn funny :p
Sebastian Joliat
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01-30-2009 06:50
What we really need is the option to appear as the ghostly white cloud to everyone else but us, it would be the perfect changing room !!!
Bagushii Kohime
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Join date: 6 May 2007
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02-01-2009 12:52
From: Bree Giffen
You know what? Those guys are getting turned on by what you're doing. Just turn it off completely by putting on a 'male organ' and poking it into them. Take a screenshot of your attachment next to his face, be sure your pic shows avatar names, and give the pic to him. Heck, send it to whatever group you find in his profile. There's so much more you can do to him if he continues to stay.


Not necessarily advisable to do anything they can counter-AR you with. Especially if they happen to be underage.
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