False Underage ARs - A suggestion

Umm so if you are a 14yo on he grid and n-oone knows you in RL you are safe to keep exploring the grid sat your leisure?
Better Idea verify everyone in the first place. will reduce massbotting, fraud and many other problems

I have only made a few ARs in my 2 years and they have all been for griefer attacks, which were probably AR'd by other witnesses too.

Recently I have been at 3 events in mature clubs where child avatars have turned up. I could have AR'd them but nothing 'mature' was actually happening in these clubs at the time, it was just dancing and these kids appeared to be with responsible adults so I gave them the benefit of the doubt.

Most ARs seem to result in warnings or short suspensions but I'm conscious that being over zealous with a legitimate AR could end someone else's Second Life and that's a big responsibilty.

I see it a different way, anyone simulating rape is unstable and needs to see a shrink. Hidden angers perhaps? Not good.

Also, if a painting, a song, or a movie doesn't involve the psyche, the artist would tell you they failed.

If SL didn't involve the psyche, there would be no point TO SL.

Yes, one can detach on the net a bit, but on a simulated rape sim? Well, I'll stick to they are unstable or worse and need to see a shrink.

You're discounting the fact that there's a real person on the other end of that avatar. This is NOT the case in GTA.

Glad to hear some stable and sane posts from you Baloo. You sound like a caring person.

@Conifer Dada

So your doubt, can save ones joy inside a game? Wow, ignorance at it's best.

Unless you mean you IM them at first, ask them and explain to them, and if they just flip you off, THEN you AR them.

just so you know.....

Also;

In any other case it's horrid and selfish to assume ones age on their size and file abuse report against them while they in theory don't do anything wrong, and don't even know you are there trying to have them banned without them even knowing it.

I dance at some nightclubs as a child avatar. Fully clothed, and just dancing, enjoying the music.
Most clubs I go to have a mature rating, because back in the area there usually is a sex room. I don't go there, and nobody has any problem with me just being there.

If the owner doesn't want me there, then let an owner tell me, and not a resident hunting down short people from SIM to SIM. Claiming ill shit about them.

My profile already simply states;

A: Yes I'm a weird girl.
b: No I will not have sex with you. Ever....

I know the rules.

Additionally I report anyone trying to have sex with me whenever I'm obviously dressed as a child, which is most of the times.

I had a few encounters,

I simply tell them no, because I'm too short and a child.
If they keep trying after that I report them.

But please, anyone. Don't blindly report people. Try to confront them first. If that doesn't help. You File Abuse reports.

What's the fuss about? I didn't AR the child avatars, I didn't IM them, I didn't even speak to them. I didn't have a problem with them as nothing untoward was going on. But they were, technically, violating the TOS by being in a mature area. They weren't small adults they were child avatars, their profiles said so. I did check that much. Here I'm talking about child avatars, not under-age RLs, to be clear.

I was merely talking about how people should think before ARing someone for minor infringements as the effect on the other resident could be out of proportion to the violation they've committed.

I also said that I've only AR'd a few people, maybe 4 or 5, in my 2 years in SL and they have all been disruptive griefers. I've never AR'd anyone because I thought they were under age or because they were child avatars in a mature area.

Kasuga, if you look at my previous post again, I think you'll see I'm saying the same as you are - I agree with you - I was just using the child avatars as an example - I could equally well have spoken about choosing not to AR someone whose build is encroaching on Linden land or something. Near my SL home there are two advertising signs that infringe TOS, but I haven't reported them. Perhaps I should have used those as an example in my post instead of the child avatars.

I am also saying 'think carefully before ARing someone in haste'. Even if they are doing something really bad like dropping hundreds of noise cubes all over the place, make certain you are reporting the correct person, not an innocent bystander.

hey all. new to the forums and thought I would add my 2 cents here. Had an issue with exactly this about a month ago. Someone came to my friends private residence and after talking for a bit (in a very thick foreign accent) admitted on VOICE he was 15. Also, there were others in the background who were laughing when informed that this person was going to be reported. There was no written proof but we thought it would be best we all filled out an AR and hoped for the best.

BTW, haven't seen this person back since... so I think if enough people put in enough details about something happening on voice, LL may take it a bit more serious.

I think the only way to solve this problem is for SL/LL to have some sort of parental control lock that parents can use for their own computer, as it's really the parents responsibility to monitor what their children are doing, not SL's. The parents are the guardians, not SL/LL.

Would it be difficult for SL to set something like this up while keeping the teen grid unlocked?

Also, one never knows what hackers are doing on your computer, along with the fact that their are those who are pirating others (yours, mine or someone elses) wireless.

Now that's a good attitude, imo. I don't AR people and things just because they are against the rules. One person has 2 ads in the sim I'm in, one of which shouldn't be there according to the rules, but they are nice ads and don't negatively affect anyone, so it would be stupid of me to coldly AR them. Also, sometimes there's a child av in my store where there are many sex items. But they don't do anything and they are adults, so I see no reason to AR them. Someone could AR me for not turfing them out when I see them but that would also be stupid, imo.

@Conifer Dada

Oh, I wasn't implying you did, I just implied some do it, and your explaination came close to that. But I can read So no harm anywhere.

It's just that I feel seen wherever I go.
So the quickest solution is to obey the masses and form a casual noob skin and prims, so nobody will at least file hidden AR's against you.

Unless being ugly is a new crime.
I just don't understand the entire commotion about age play.
As in Sexual age play, or just somebody posing as a human child.

difference here.

Because I can dress up as anything, and mature parcels don't mean there is sex, and sex only.

We talk about a huge landmass, with maybe one poseball hidden somewhere.

I found a link to a mature parcel. it's a cave like structure, gothic like, nice music and it's a tranquility zone with lots of lights, foliage and it's nothing but an SL eyecandy SIM.

Mature rating.....for what? There is nothing mature about it. just astonishing graphics.

So technically I'm violating a bullcrap rule, and I can be banned permanently for going to a SIM that shows pretty lights and watery scenes.

I couldn't find any sexual related things. Do I have to perish now?

No, I guess not, so can't we keep the TOS simple, that children avi's keep their clothes on at all times, no exceptions?

That would be nice, and easy to understand, and if the entire SIM is one big gangbang, you don't go there.

If it isn't, then people should leave you alone.

The rule is harsh, but I don't think LL has much choice in the matter because of laws in USA and many other countries.

I'm not against child avatars, I can't remember ever seeing any behaving in improper ways, even those who were at mature clubs.

PS Is it possible for a sim owner to switch their land between Mature and PG easily according to what event is being held?

Where is the policy that a child avatar simply being in a mature sim (especially one with no sexual content) without being engaged in some sort of sexual activity is an AR-able offense?

That's ridiculous.

My comment was specifically related to a statement that role playing rape in SL should not be allowed. We have already beat the issue of sexual ageplay to death and discussed how absolutely overboard some people and countries are going (your link being proof of that).

Best I can tell, nobody was discussing the right or wrong or ageplay in THIS thread. All discussion have been related to the issue of ARing suspected minors or the consequences of having sex with one unknowingly.

I think that's up to the land owner/owners. Some say "no child avatars please, meaning no exceptions" and others don't.

I don't see how any countries laws would mean much when it is the parents responsibility to monitor their child's internet habits.

Like I said above, if LL could provide parents with a lock out key for the adult grid but not the teen grid it might help for some, but not all as I've talked to peeps on SL who say they tap into their neighbors internet only when on SL. So, nothing is perfect science, but it might help.

QFT !!!!!





For the teen grid, my understanding is that it is damn near impossible to get an account there if you are 18 or older. That would imply that they *should* be able to do the reverse on the main grid.

well after watching hundred of people with boxes stuck on their heads for hours, or stuck in dance animations for days....

I still remember a girl in a freebie place who was all in a panic because she didnt know how to get back to "spannish second life" ....

After all Animation requests dont tell you "to end this animation just click the stand up button on the bottem of your screen.. in 5 languages.

Maybe I am just being naive...but....is it illegal to be underage ANYWHERE on the grid no matter the content? I thought they brought in age verification to allow for underage folks to be in SL without stumbling into a mature themed sim.

Also...if my sim is rated mature, but I do not run a mature themed parcel, can I allow people who are underage to be on my land?

PS - I despise people who weaponize abuse reports, and hope LL can find a way to prevent this in the future.

Thanks everyone!

Child avatar refers to the appearance of the avatar, not the age of the user. That's an adult using an avatar that appears to be a child.

An underage user is someone who is actually under 18, and you're right, they have no business anywhere on the main grid at all.

Then what purpose does Age Verification play?

But that's just the point: they AREN'T defining malicious AR-ing as harassment.

They really can't, if they want to head off potential lawsuits from those who are unhappy that their children got into SL (and presumably were, allegedly, traumatized in some way).

To head off such lawsuits, LL has to show that they do NOTHING to those who make ARs---even if there is evidence that the ARs were maliciously filed, with full knowledge that the subject of the AR is indeed an adult.

LL has to be able to show: We have in place a system to protect your children from getting into SL, and part of this system is that we encourage Residents to AR.

Protecting LL from lawsuits.

pretty much

lawsuits by parents cause little johnny committed fraud, identity theft, and other crimes... to get on the big bad adult grid