Casino's and Gambling...

I guess the information was readily available and we all ran and cut and paste the same exerpt ^^

not from blog is from the knowledge base where there is knowledge

I saw someone quote a post that I edited, but i'll say it again.

Gambling, rape, murder, and escort services are illegal in the USA, correct? If so then why is SL full of rape, murder, and escort services? The gorean world are full of "slave beating posts"...

If they take gambling away, surely they should take simulated rape, murder, and escort services away.

It was in one of those updates where you had to click accept....
And it says in blog faq they will suspend and terminate you for gambling and they do have right to do it. So what more do you want?
Go to gambling site in your own country if its that important.

You're right! It's not in the TOS! My God, I can't believe it. That means all this time that they've had no right to tell us we can't gamble. I can't believe how silly we've all been. Break out the slots!

knowledge base, blog posts... shouldn't it be in the terms of service or user agreement? yup, i think it should.

I don't agree to play by a knowledge base, I agree to play by the TOS and User agreements...

The depiction of rape and murder is, to my knowledge, legal. Imagine all of those television shows that depict these for our amusement or horror. There is no such thing as depicting gambling or games of chance on Second Life because a currency is involved. The fact that LL's lawyers say the currency is not a "real" currency is another can of worms...

P.S. The prohibition of gambling and games of chance should be in the TOS or CS or both.

beer and 42

this is not a negotiable thing (especially the beer part) as for LL and what it did with regards to gambling. If you think back awhile back credit card companies and paypal were giving LL a hard time so why would you think that they would put in such a policy?

lets ignore the legality in the US for the moment and look at the statement where they said they were trying to keep the credit card services running. I dunno about you but i think it would be highly inconvenient for meto have to send them a cheque every month let alone one in american dollars ...

Lets just say they are stepping in line with what the rest of the internet is doing not further rationalization is needed they are doing what they need to do as a company to survive and grow. In this case it means get rid of the gambling issue /shrug

Oh God, here we go again. I swore never to respond to another gambling thread but here goes for those that it's not obvious for....

No rape, murder or actual escorting is going on in SL. No one is touching, no physical contact occurs...nada. It's all graphics only. Online sex is perfectly legal in the US even with real people.

It doesn't say in my post office that gambling is illegal in there, but it is.

LL- as a firm - hast to abide by all applicable law, your armchair barristry notwithstanding.

It's fairly obvious your fairly keen to churn out gambling devices again, so what I suggest you do is create some, rent a shop, start selling them, and advertise the URL here on the forums.

I'd say we'll have an answer as to what LL thinks pretty quickly!

okay then go talk to a linden and tell them to update their tos yet again meanwhile the resident answer question anwer thing isn't working for you

myself i see it in the knowledge base and it says its a no no its enough for me since they did write the thing and compile it.

Its like when people look at the speed limit on roads and say "oh its not the law its just a suggestion" lol

do whatever you like doesn't hurt me i dont gamble so put your casino up or whatever and let the chips fall where they may

then you can hire that lawyer bragg guy

you made a reference to a post that i made then edited to a quote of yours that you edited so i will address your point again (if that makes sense).
rape and murder are simulated activities whereas gambling is not simulated but actually engaged in. thats the difference.
of course one could say the same of sexual ageplay which was banned even though no actual underage people are shagged. there isnt a definite logic to this.

lol... thanks for your permission! btw, did anyone ask if it hurt you? does anyone care?


I just want to go back to running my casino shop and being able to sit at home and earn money instead of having to go into a real world and get a part time job to pay for college.

My casino shop used to make hundreds of USD weekly...

Hmm.. couldn't find it on the one for the website. Pretty sure the one I had to accept did have it, but..

You know what? Instead of asking US about this, why not chat up a Linden about it? It wouldn't be the first time the company has passed a rule and not updated anything about it. That's the safest way I can think of to get your answer..

Yeah, there is another way and that's to just set your machines out and see what happens. *shrugs* But you run the risk of banning that way.

well you obviously know how to create secure scripted objects and know how to market them. cant you use those skills in a new market?

Former gambling-device baron: "Where does it say in the TOS that gambling is not allowed in SL?"

Employees of private company that owns SL and must obey the US ban against online gambling or be shut down and jailed: "We don't need no steenking TOS..."

I hope this is the last time we have to have this discussion unless and until the US overturns its online gambling ban.

I don't see why it matters how insignificant it is. If you travel to the USA your are expected to know and abide by all the laws here. Every country I know of has the same standards. The internet is no exception no matter how much people think it is.


Copy and paste this into google:

you are responsible for compliance with all local laws

TOS section 4.1

"..........other practices that Linden Lab deems harmful."



Right there, you agreed to it in the TOS. LL has deemed gambling harmful. They announced it on their blog and in the knowledge base.

If they want to declare prim hair harmful, they have every right.

What else do you need?

there is a big difference between planning a holiday to a foreign country and logging onto the net into a foreign server.
im not arguing that as a non american i should have some sort of exemption from these laws, but expecting me to just know what is and is not legal in the usa is over the top.

yes I agree....

i'm not going to look up the country of every website i visit just to make sure i'm not breaking a local law...

You are required to know and abide by the law on every website you visit. Not like Linden Lab is going to post every law that applies to SL.

The OP is/was a business owner. The first thing you do when you start a business is learn the laws that apply to it or hire legal council to enlighten you.

Why people these days seem to think their hand is supposed to held all the time is beyond me. It is your responsibility to make sure you are in the right, not some else's.

your expected to know what you can and can't do on the back of most fines and tickets and at the bottom of every little bit of legal paper where it says someone has done something wrong in my country anyhow its says "ignorance is not an excuse under the law"

I know i got a parking ticket once and when i read that back that's what it said and yes I didn't see the sign but it didnt' make me any less guilty. I was in a rush I was late i was driving in circles looking for a spot and suddenly there was one and I grabbed it and got out of the car and ran to my appointment. I came back to find my 55 dollar ticket on my car window. I went and paid the ticket and didn't part in that spot anymore and i bet the got a lot of people with that spot it was a convenient little empty hole there


It gets even more complicated then that. When you go to another country or province or state even your expected to know THEIR laws as well and abide by them and again "ignorance is not an excuse under the law"

when you run a business any kind of business one thing that you have to do is find out what is legal and not and follow the rules. More time is often spent finding out what you can and can't do then running the business in the first year and then there are changes in rules which you have to magically become aware of..

Its life and it happens sometimes we goof up and then we pay the price, but willfully defying something like in the case of the gambling stuff where a ton of people point it out and it was published and knowing its wrong is just willful defiance.

There is also the flip side of those who think something is illegal when its not trying to tell you the law when its not written like that on the paper. Neither is right. What is right is what the paper says. In this case the paper says "you cant gamble here" so what's the problem?

I wouldn't gamble on the net or anywhere anyhow to much room for legal issues. If i do gamble i go to the one and only legal casino for miles around and i put my buck in the slot machine and then go eat at the fancy dining area and watch the imax and go home 1 buck poorer.

In any event in this case its not particularly complicated and its well documented gambling and casinos is a no no in SL. Very little debating is needed in fact no debating is needed however for those who want to test to see if the words are true as i said and others have said they are free to try and find out if it holds true and open their casino No one is stopping them from finding out

YAHHHH, OOOOOOO!!! WATCH OUT!! GAMBLING BOOGIEMAN'S GONNA GITCHA!!

seriously... anyone relying upon an unregulated gambling market was taking their chances... speaking as someone with very little invested there (sorry - but really, i dunno what to say other, 'what did you expect'??)

-someone's- gonna wanna inspect your code and make sure the actual gambilng device is kosher for the market. if i was in that biz (and i seriously did some homework before the 'ban' happened), i would have expected it. and i'm hardly a 'spring chicken' here.

what did you expect, in the end?????? carte blanche???????

sorry, just trying to be thoughtful about it... i never made a gambling device;i really couldn't care where people spend there mon; i gotta pay taxes myself....................

but sometimes i just feel like asking, '-REAL-lllly??' what country would seriously allow their economy to grow based upon just the chaos wheel????