Merging Teen and Main grid?!!?

Wouldn't work Kitty...for one very simple reason...if the paedophiles want access to the real kids...they wont go to the G-rated sims as an adult, that has proven his identity and is traceable....he will just create a teen profile...and go in under that...how do you keep them from doing that, since teens don't have an age verification system?

That's not even half a solution. Payment information verifies nothing and the fact that LL is dabbling in the complicated age verification process proves that to me. (>_<

Don't even think of "G rating" land as a solution. The real REAL problem is what can and WILL happen in private IMs. My avatar and my person has made me a magnet for many types. I'm watching accounts come and go almost weekly with permabans turning to alts for getting caught in SAP or being underage or who-knows-what. (>_<

All this and there's actual discussion about drilling a hole in the flood gates? I CAN'T be for this in any way. (>_<

Please.... PLEASE let this be an empty rumor! (>_<

Until we see an official announcement in the Blog, that's all this is: a rumor.

Hmm, now *that* would make for an interesting (but probably rather long) thread title...

If *all* that I had said was "I was told recently by another resident that LL is considering merging the teen and main grid", then that would be a rumor. However, I also said that I have a log of the meeting. I will post a small snippet here, and disguise the name of the speaker in case posting their real identity violates any forum rules (it was a public meeting, but yeah, just in case....)

[2008/04/09 16:06] B£üe £|ñdeñ: if you've been here before you probably
caught me talking about how I want teens to be able to come to the main grid

I will be watching his wiki page for the complete logs of the April 9th meeting, and will post a notice here when they are available.

Mixing all ages is common in other games. You end up talking to someone and it becomes very evident what you are dealing with and usually a few key questions results in a stammering change in sated age...usually in multiples of 2....'Oh yeah I'm really 22...." "Did I say 22 I meant 20....." and so on.

Noone gets on the teen grid without being payment verified, whether it's a new account or someone who got reported for being underage on the main grid.

Teen accounts don't have to age-verify, that would be pointless since it doesn't really verify anything useful. LL requires every teen account to be linked to a RL identity which can be passed on to the authorities for investigation if it's found out to be an adult.

Any payment verified resident is known to LL and can be held accountable for his/her actions in RL which is why I'd think it wouldn't be terribly unsafe, or no less safe than the current teen grid, for payment verified adults to be able to interact with teens.

I question what healthy, clear-thinking adult would WANT to interact with teens (Unless it's to make money from such interraction).
I say keep them locked up over there.

B.

I could see certain merged islands - universities, special Linden events, Linden Village, etc. but you would have to eliminate IM between adults and teens and disable the ability to pass notecards, objects.

IF this actually happens, I'm outta here and not looking back.

But I'm not going to panic until I actually see it and I'm not going to hold my breath.

No need to panic, I'm telling you, kids are easy to spot. Just keep the traffic on your private bedroom parcel to those you know.

It helps when you read the entire thread instead of just the last post...

Blue may well want to find a way for teens to come to the main grid, but merging the grids clearly isn't going to be the answer to that, legally or practically.

I would assume that he was thinking of a way that they could come over to visit and talk to people without being given complete access.

HAHAHA! And people are complaining about ban lines now...

Like I care what people complain about

Whether it's one fenced off sim or the entire grid, the legal issues associated with allowing adults who are up to no good the ability to interact with minors is still going to exist.

Being a parent of a child on the TG, I personally would welcome any way of us being able to communicate between grids. The current separation is ridiculous from a paren't perspective. If I wish to give my child $L at the moment I have to allow my child to purchase it, as I cannot send them money. Likewise my child cannot send me any of the money they may have accumulated through sales if I need $L. Also, we cannot work collaboratively on anything.

Certainly there is logistical issues that would need to be ironed out, as I really don't want my child to be able to freely access any of the crap that goes on on the adult grid. Not that my child would want to anyway, but then like me, he has no interest in the steamier side of SL. But as we all know, it is pretty easy to just stumble on it almost anywhere.

I don't agree that it would mean an increase in the number of griefers. Certainly some teens get up to hijinx with weapons, and physics. But mostly it amongst groups of friends and in sandboxes (that I have seen). In general the teens seem as well behaved as the majority of adults. They do the same things as we do - hang out, chat, build, etc.

Personally I have always thought that parents, and older adult siblings/family members that are also registered payment info using the SAME credit card should be able to interact with the younger teen members instead of the current segregation.

thanks for reading.

Well, not really - if it is a fenced-off sim (indicating access restrictions) or the children concerned are being accompanied at all times, issues regarding adults interacting with them could be controlled.

After all it is not actually illegal for adults to speak with minors.

and why is blue always about pink parts of the body?

I was at that office hours. I'm not sure how you got the idea that the general consensus was in favor of merging the teen and main grid. I thought the reaction was pretty much negative.

A teenage boy not interested in the steamier side? Hmmm that model must have changed since I was one.

If they ever did this then the Sky news reporter who keeps finding sexual ageplay with adults dressed as kids would be here weekly having a field day when the other avatar was a real kid.

Simply not a sensible idea whatsoever.

I'm sure Mister Ferrel would be down at the party store, buying streamers and noisemakers.

I sure hope this was either sarcastic or meant something different from what it said. (I mean, if I were teaching a building course, say, or giving a lecture, why ever would I care whether someone in attendance were of age?)I think I don't follow: How is this different from the Teen Grid now (which does have a kind of age control system--and one rather more invasive than IDV for adults, as I understand how it works)?

Emphatically *not* to say this is a good idea. I just can't see a way past all the practical problems, even if it were limited to some "DMZ" of G-rated sims. For example, one problem is content leakage: as it stands now, content that moves from MG to TG is very tightly controlled. Unless the DMZ sims had some special new "no asset transfer" restriction (defeating much of its utility), there'd be a huge influx of "controlled content" into teen Inventories, and a whole underground economy of "drug mules" for prim bits, etc.

Daniel Linden explained this was going to happen at some point in that long video discussion he had at Stanford University.

Verification wont be an issue because there will not be mandatory Verification for the Age 13 safe parts of the grid.

13 being the nominal minimum age because of US laws about chat / email / etc.

WoW and other online games allow adults and teens to mix freely - it is thought Second Life should be the same way.

Adult content would be regulated to the verifed portions of the grid.

That was at least how Danny L envisioned it at the time and he used a whole lot of WE words and was speaking for Linden Lab.

SO basically the idea would be to make Second Life like the regular internet where teens are only excluded in certain places.

Supposedly there are Several ways to do all this .. don't ask me how though he didn't explain the HOW just the intent.


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2642394922604088000&q=Second+life+Daniel+Linden&total=8&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1


This discussion was nearly a year ago - so its definitely not someonthing they are pushing with any speed.

It does make sense though in a way - The 3D internet , if thats what SL evolved into (or part of) wouldn't be 18+