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Hana Timtam
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Join date: 11 Apr 2006
Posts: 225
11-15-2008 09:33
From: Phil Deakins
If I have a 'relationship' with someone, it is *me* who has it, and not the Phil Deakins avatar. So, for me, an SL relationship is an RL relationship that is started and (largely) conducted in SL. So, yes, I do like to know something about the person's RL, and I'm happy for them to know about me. I couldn't feel that it's a 'relationship' if it is totally anonymous.

Agreed :)

i'm someone who very much views SL as an extension of my RL. And i'm acutally someone who sees no point in an SL friendship/relationship without RL bleed over.

My SL partner is my RL girlfriend now, and we've lived together for the last two months, though been together long distance (in SL.. on the phone, with RL visits) for the last two and a half years.

My closest SL friends (like the ones in my profile area) are all people i've spoken to on the phone and know RL information about (names, jobs, family life, stuff like that).

...when i have a relationship with someone, just like Phil said.. it's "me" having a relationship/friendship not "Hana Timtam".


i know it's different for some others.. obviously.
Jig Chippewa
Fine Young Cannibal
Join date: 30 Oct 2006
Posts: 5,150
11-15-2008 11:14
From: Conan Godwin
Oh God!


What's the matter Conan, feel uncomfortable around a person in touch with his emotions and is not afraid to say lovely things?
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Czari Zenovka
I've Had it With "PC"!
Join date: 3 May 2007
Posts: 3,688
11-15-2008 12:07
From: Eclectic Wingtips
After being togther for almost a year in SL it is hard not to have shared muchof our RL. A lot more goes on fr us day to day in RL than it does in SL, so our coverstions would get prettyboring considering most of th time we spend in SL is together. Thats hours a day on voice with nothing to talk about


Heh, good point, E! That's about our situation as well. :)
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Conan Godwin
In ur base kilin ur d00ds
Join date: 2 Aug 2006
Posts: 3,676
11-15-2008 12:10
From: Jig Chippewa
What's the matter Conan, feel uncomfortable around a person in touch with his emotions and is not afraid to say lovely things?


Precisely.

Why would I listen to my other half has to say when a swift backhand keeps her in line with much less effort?
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From: Raindrop Cooperstone
hateful much? dude, that was low. die.

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Void Singer
Int vSelf = Sing(void);
Join date: 24 Sep 2005
Posts: 6,973
11-15-2008 13:17
The beauty of the internet is that you get the chance to see how people choose to be, in spite of their RL.

granted, some choose to be assholes, some choose to be mostly themselves, and some see it as a chance to be something else...

do you really want anyone to take that away from you? why not just take it as it comes, enjoy the good, revile the bad, and move on?
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Conan Godwin
In ur base kilin ur d00ds
Join date: 2 Aug 2006
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11-15-2008 13:20
From: Void Singer
The beauty of the internet is that you get the chance to see how people choose to be, in spite of their RL.

granted, some choose to be assholes, some choose to be mostly themselves, and some see it as a chance to be something else...

do you really want anyone to take that away from you? why not just take it as it comes, enjoy the good, revile the bad, and move on?


So few people understand that.
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From: Raindrop Cooperstone
hateful much? dude, that was low. die.

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Pserendipity Daniels
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Join date: 21 Dec 2006
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11-15-2008 14:29
From: Void Singer
some choose to be assholes, some choose to be mostly themselves, and some see it as a chance to be something else...

Seems like Conan chooses the first two of these.

Pep (Man, *I'm* something else . . .)
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Void Singer
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11-15-2008 17:35
From: Pserendipity Daniels
Pep (Man, *I'm* something else . . .)

allow me to choose the first today as well and remind you of your sig and your slim margin for that judgment.

what, I can't be an angel every day =P

another beauty is that you can do all three, side by side or separately.
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Conan Godwin
In ur base kilin ur d00ds
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11-16-2008 05:34
From: Pserendipity Daniels
Seems like Conan chooses the first two of these.

Pep (Man, *I'm* something else . . .)



Say what you like, I still hate Katy Perry and there's nothing you can do to stop me and deep down you know you're being as big an asshole as I am, given that we had never spoken until yesterday when you attacked me for no reason.
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From: Raindrop Cooperstone
hateful much? dude, that was low. die.

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Jig Chippewa
Fine Young Cannibal
Join date: 30 Oct 2006
Posts: 5,150
11-16-2008 07:07
From: Conan Godwin
Precisely.

Why would I listen to my other half has to say when a swift backhand keeps her in line with much less effort?


I've got to presume there was badly judged "humour" invested in that comment but speaking about physical and verbal abuse in that manner can truly upset people. My Mum was verbally abused and threatened on many occasions. She is only now getting her sense of self and her own life together - and this is a career-oriented feminist and outspoken politically savvy woman. The act of hitting a woman who declares her love for her partner is actually quite common since it irritates the abuser. Even bringing the abuser a cup of tea can create abuse and hardship for teh victim.

And teh children of such relationships can remain confused and disturbed about commitment for years.
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Pserendipity Daniels
Assume sarcasm as default
Join date: 21 Dec 2006
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11-16-2008 09:05
From: Conan Godwin
Say what you like,

Kind of you to tell me what I know already . . .
From: Conan Godwin
I still hate Katy Perry and there's nothing you can do to stop me

It was actually your naive hatred of the image portrayed of Kate Perry by her hugely successful publicists that I found amusing.
From: Conan Godwin
and deep down you know you're being as big an asshole as I am,

Even if I tried for the rest of the century I could not get close to that accolade.
From: Conan Godwin
given that we had never spoken until yesterday

You have a poor memory;we have crossed swords before, and you lost. Badly.
From: Conan Godwin
when you attacked me for no reason.

This is a forum for the publication of opinions. If you express an opinion I disagree with that is plenty good enough reason to post.

Pep (Thank you for the apparent benefit of the doubt Void)
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Bee Mizser
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Join date: 22 Apr 2007
Posts: 329
11-16-2008 09:15
From: Phil Deakins
If I have a 'relationship' with someone, it is *me* who has it, and not the Phil Deakins avatar. So, for me, an SL relationship is an RL relationship that is started and (largely) conducted in SL. So, yes, I do like to know something about the person's RL, and I'm happy for them to know about me. I couldn't feel that it's a 'relationship' if it is totally anonymous.


Agreed Phil.

I have been in a relationship with Danielle for 18 months now, and I know about her in RL (and she knows about my RL), because it isn't Bee having a relationship with Danielle, it's me having a relationship with the person behind the Danielle AV.
Void Singer
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Join date: 24 Sep 2005
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11-16-2008 12:37
I did say slim...

we all know know the game by now, sometimes people here only say things to get a reaction ;)

(yes I included myself, that's the fun of brutal honesty... I like having fun)
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Pserendipity Daniels
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Join date: 21 Dec 2006
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11-16-2008 13:37
From: Void Singer
I did say slim...

That is the first time in about 30 years that particular epithet has been used in conjunction with any of my personal characteristics . . .

Pep (I'll take it as a compliment)
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Roisin Hotaling
Pixel Manipulator
Join date: 3 Jun 2007
Posts: 300
11-16-2008 14:23
From: Jig Chippewa
If you could find out who the REAL person behind your sl partner, lover or simply friend happens to be, would you?
I do know a fair amount of that sort of information about my SL partner, and I prefer it that way. My partner used to date my alt; it's complicated to describe how it came to be that way, but we learned a few things along the way. My alt, in attempting to be as separate a persona as possible, found herself a bit hobbled; without "full access" to the typist's background, she eventually found herself having too little to say without just crossing over into being "me." Roisin is the avi with whom I identify most.

My partner and I discuss what our SL relationship means regularly and have agreed that it's a combination of RL friendship and SL roleplay. He and Ro love each other, and our typists are dear friends. We have exchanged a fair bit of RL information as our trust in each other has grown: not just names, addresses, family information, and employment, but his aversion to mayonnaise and my fondness for brown ales as well as each of our deeper philosophical beliefs.

While we've mutually agreed that the romantic aspect of our relationship exists only in SL, we'd have little to talk about if we had to exclude our RL selves from the mix.
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Cheyanne Spitteler
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Join date: 28 Jun 2007
Posts: 49
11-16-2008 14:47
I have had 2 relationships in SL, both very different. The first relationship, i didn't even know his RL name or any details personal, I knew his job and had a discription of what he looked like, but thats it really. but yet we still talked for 6 hours a day for 6 months. And i felt I knew him well enough to be satisfied with what we had. I did feel i was having a relationship with the ave though not the peson.
My second relationship is with my SL husband, relationship has lasted almost a year, in this one I know alot about him, talk in voice all the time and have sent things to eachothers home adresses, photos, i even sent him a rose because it signified something that was special in SL. I do think our bond is alot stronger than in the first relationship and intimacy alot easier because it was more like being with him than his ave. But I valued both relationships just as much as eachother.
I think thats the difference, are you having a relationship with an ave or their personah or the person behind the ave. All in the details, and I think either is fine as long as you both are happy with it.
Solar Legion
Darkness from Light
Join date: 9 Dec 2006
Posts: 434
11-16-2008 14:56
From: Rhaorth Antonelli
being that I married him in RL
I would have to say yes...

however when it comes to friends and acquaintances, no, I just know them on SL and take them at face value

if they want me to know more about them, that is fine.


funny you should say this Rha ....

My current partner ... I know quite a bit about her myself. she is, after all, the mother of my little girl.

Despite various rocky issues, things're still looking up.
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Blu Cazalet
SL 2 RL? CROSSING BORDERS
Join date: 28 Jul 2007
Posts: 189
11-16-2008 17:27
There are only a VERY FEW people in SL that know anything about me in RL. The big exception is my SL husband who I am engaged to in RL and have been with in RL many times. Given our RL locations, he is in Holland and I am in California..that took some planning, time and money. But well worth all of it. So, I reserve RL info about me to a very select few.

-Blu- (My RL wedding will have pose balls for the SL friends who are attending!)
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