Warning Rec'd for Events Posting

Someone i know just rec'd a warning for posting apt rentals in events...does anyone know of anyone else getting these? Looks like they may be cleaning up events...I just hope it is an across the board action.

Here is the msg...

Posting advertisements for commercial products and/or services are not allowed on the events calendar, as it states in the Event Posting Rules. This also applies to advertisements which are not events and belong in Classifieds. An event must have a defined start and end time and be led by a host for its duration. Posting land rentals in Event Listings is not allowed in Second Life. The rules of conduct are interpreted with the broadest meaning possible. Discipline: No additional action is being taken at this time. Appeal Process: The decision to issue a warning or suspension for your Second Life account was reached after investigation of your use of the Second Life software and service. If you would like to appeal your warning or suspension, you may contact Second Life Support, in writing, at the address below: Second Life Support Linden Lab 945 Battery Street San Francisco, CA 94111

Thanks for the your input!

jojo

apartment renting is not an event , duh

LOL ray...the point is are they cracking down now???? There are PLENTY of apt rental "event" listings out there, so just curious if this is a new trend...and prob a good one at that.

Well aren't you a Ray of sunshine? Is this what we have to look forward to in another year?

The question is: are the forums moderated?

The answer is: yes.

Instead of posting in an inappropriate subforum, report bad threads.

Ok people...pay attention....AHEM...I am talking about EVENT listings in SEARCH in world. Not the forums. I am not disagreeing with the warning...i understand it. I just have not ever heard of anyone getting a warning before.

So I will repeat my very simple query...smile.

Is anyone here aware of others who have rec'd warnings for EVENT postings in SEARCH in world for things like apt listings? I told my friend I would ask about it and I appreciate your answers...

Thanks!
jojo

Ah! Sorry, my mistake.

The question is: are the event listings moderated?

The answer is: yes.

Sounds like it's time for everyone to read the Event Posting Rules.

Yes I am ty and a ray of hope and dissarray sometimes lol, remember the sun shines down on all without regard to their personal feelings but still I am wondering what it is you are saying here? What is "what "we have to look forward to?

Where do we AR the sun? Damn thing with its rays causes skin cancer, sun glare while driving, and all kinds of problems for vampires.

Memory lane is a mobius strip....

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k snark...one more try...do you know of anyone who has ever rec'd a warning for event postings before....thanks!

Yes, Jojogirl - folks have received warnings for event postings before. Sometimes Linden chooses to crack down harder than others.

For more information on the background/history, check the links in my post above

ty travis for the memories...and two years later im asking... has anyone here heard of anyone RECENTLY rec'ing warnings about event listings...thanks in advance to anyone who can actually address the question with a straight answer and not a snide remark LOLLLL

you friend
jojo

I have not heard of anyone receiving a warning, not sure if the lindens actually moderate it or wait for others to AR the event in question

if they are finally cleaning it up then it is about time

I hardly ever look at events due to the yardsale, rentals, store ads, etc that do not belong there

Well its not an AR but you can make it midnight all you want and you'd think you'd love the sun as a vampire, since its provides all those warm blooded goodies for you all .

Oh, and the light bulb finally came on with the what we have to look forward to. I believe I am being casted as cynical. Funny, I am at times cynical, other times blissfully happy, sometimes even enraged no one dimesional toon here .

Clearly though the appt rental in the events is blatantly ignoring the posting rules.

About yard sales; since I run one of the longest running ones I will state that we post our events with start & end times.

We used to turn on the Fhelzgud Money ball during events but a neighbor with multiple alts would put 12 + avi's and collect big so now we can't (we'd pay out $3L for each avi present and have the ball randomly pick an avi every 15 mins or so on the property to pay).

That it is a free public Yard Sale its a bit different than a regular yard sale because it is an opportunity for new & old to show their creations for free (a public service).

We hire hosts and or use group members or ourselves or some who placed their things out to be present and we try to greet all who come.

As can be read many places the events listings are huge, as the world grows so does the events listings and the complaints of those who would abuse it. Kinda like the train ride that listed in the educations events page, I believe they were warned as well, and I know that Lindens will at times show up, I greeted a couple just a week or so ago.

So we try to play by the rules .

A petition just got passed my way about the Educational Events which are starting to be spammed. The person who wrote the petition wrote that this was a discussed item at Linden Office Hours.

As for if I know anyone with a warning: no. I and my friends tend to play SL by the TOS. Just because everyone else is jumping off a bridge, does not make us do so as well. So we wouldn't be in the position to receive a warning.

Thanks for the input guys...the info is appreciated. The folks i know of all have classifieds for anything that they post in events like the apt ads, free train rides on educational sims etc. I do wish that there was a place or an option for all day events to be listed...that would save folks from having to post every 3 hours to cover the event. And i truly wish there was a catagory for yard sales. They are awesome and i go all the time...and to yours ray as well, but the way the events system is set up encourages skirting the rules by many since there are not appropriate catagories for them.

While i like to follow the rules...i also like to see classes listed...even those that are ongoing, self taught 24/7. And i like to see the yard sales. There are so many things that are legitimate that need exposure, but just get lost in the classifieds and also get lost in the current events format.

Instead of fighting against them...how about if LL included a catagory for yard sales, all day events and also ongoing events. Then each would get one listing per day...making ALL of those things more visible when scanning. And maybe even make it a requirement that those things also must pay for a classified ad. Let's be consumer friendly and inclusive instead of punitive and exlcusive...its all about customer service in the end...

Thanks!
jojo

also..good point about the hosts ray...we have them on etopia as well and work hard to greet, welcome and educate anyone who comes to our educational sim on how to preserve the planet. I think having hosts is a HUGE part of a successful operation and events. come by sometime ray and ill give you the tour myself LOL

take care
jojo

i recently heard of someon receiving a warning for a TOS violation where said person posted an apartment listing in events.

I'm glad they are cleaning up the event posts that are fraud posts. Who has the petition about bogus scheduled educational events? I'll sign. I've been trying to get something done about people scheduling educational events that are NOT events for a while now. Some are merely unpaid ads for texture and tutorial shops. Thanks Lindens for listening!

Frankly, I'm glad to see it.

I personally haven't heard of it before, but I do hope it's a trend.

Last I looked at the music listings I was shocked to see they were actually useful. Not at all my past experience. Obviously there is some cleaning going on.

I really appreciate you starting this posting in the forum Jojogirl. Thank you so much because we need to have a clear understanding of what the rules and regulations concerning event postings are and what the TOS regarding this is, also.

UPfront, my concern as an instructor and inquires I've received from New Residents about learning to build and classes, thusly referring them to the education category of events to search for free classes, has become increasingly frustrating to any new person who has to sift through all the spam ...to show up for an event where it lists education to find a store selling something...to anything else totally not related to education for classes for new residents to learn to build or making their second life experience enjoyable, profitable or enhancing their quality of life in Second Life.

Sorry, but Free Train Rides does not belong in the category of Education in Events and if its your intention to provide education, then you need to rewrite your event listing to reflect that intention. Otherwise choose another category.

An event that takes you to to a place where "items" are sold do not belong under the Education category, they belong in Commerical.

If EVERYONE who posts events actually read the Rules for posting events, I believe the spamming would be kept to a minimal.

What an event is:
"An event is defined as a special group activity that is led by a host on land owned either by the host or by a group the host belongs to. Examples include discussions, group meetings, hosted dances, classes, tours, and competitions.

An event is framed by a beginning and an end time. Thus '24hr Sales' are not events."

REPEATING: '24hr Sales' are not events."

"The 'Commercial' category was created for the purpose of grand openings, demonstrations, product launches etc. Each of these types of events should have a clear beginning and end time attached. Otherwise, they belong in the Second Life Classifieds, not the Events calendar. Posting events that are simply advertisements will not be acceptable.

The use of alts to post more than 5 events per day will not be permitted either.

The event descriptions need to conform to PG guidelines, consistent with the overall Second Life website policy - so no overt sex descriptions; sex for money, sex chat, simulated sex, strong violence, or anything else broadly offensive.

Mature events must be listed as Mature, and held in M-rated sims."

AT THE TOP of the page:
"PLEASE NOTE: Advertisements for commercial products or services will be deleted from the events calendar. Repeated misuse of the event posting system for this purpose may lead to disciplinary action against the poster's account. See more details on this policy below."

AT THE BOTTOM of the page:
"SPAM (multiple events posted in a single day that do not comply with the rules above) WILL NOT BE TOLERATED and will be SUBJECT TO DISCIPLINARY ACTION. Please do not use the Events calendar in any way which would inhibit its usefulness to the community at large. Failure to follow these guidelines may result in a SUSPENSION OF YOUR ACCOUNT."

I will petition Pathfinder Linden to respond to this.

Thank you, again for bringing this to our focus.

Jana thanks for the input. I do think that the education category is much more broad than simply being for classes for in world info only. If there is an event or special attraction on an educational sim I feel it should be included. If the purpose of the entire sim is to inform and educate, then does it not also qualify as education? Maybe the categories need to be expanded with one for "classes" and one for "education" to encompass things and places that are created for education and not only classes. I really see this more as an issue of inadequate event categories and tools to cover the many and varied things this great SL had to offer. And of course the interpretation that the education category is one only for "classes" is not stated in the TOS. If that is the purpose then maybe the added clarification would be helpful also.

I really do think most people in SL are not trying to decieve or manipulate...I think they just do the best they can with the tools and info available.

Thanks!

Hi Jojogirl,

The problem isn't that it needs to be a "class" to be in educational events. The problem is that if it is a scheduled educational event people go there expecting an actual event beginning at the posted time with a host. People are seeing scheduled educational events and clicking on notify thinking they will go to a class or "event". When the notice comes and they click to teleport to the "event" only to find it is a tutorial store with no host or event it is very irritating. By the time they figure it out they may have missed the beginning of an actual event or class, and some classes fill up and you can't get in after the first 10 minutes.

To be honest, it is rude to post a scheduled educational event that is simply a way to get people into your store. No one needs a scheduled time posted to go shop at a texture or tutorial store.

True, there are educational sims that are excellent and advertising them is extremely worthwhile. However, if it isn't an event that starts at a set time, it shouldn't be posted as an event that starts at a set time.

Floradora Sol