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Ephraim Kappler
Reprobate
Join date: 9 Jul 2007
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04-23-2009 12:57
No, all of them. Including the ones I use: I'll even give up no-push and autoreturn and even have damage enabled everywhere... if that would get me effective privacy. I agree. I would give up every condition on my parcel if I could have 'no camera/no chat' beyond a certain point. But it isn't going to happen, is it? In which case I just forget about the issue altogether (aong with dumbass skyboxes) and put my lack of privacy in the box marked "For other jerk's attention, if desired". |
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Lexxi Gynoid
#'s 86000, 97800
Join date: 6 Aug 2007
Posts: 3,732
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04-23-2009 13:28
I seem to have Admin on permanently by default whenever I switch on. Pep (Am I doing something wrong?) Admin is one of those that seems to fluctuate with my settings. It does not always "stick." _____________________
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Sredni Eel
DJ Johnny
Join date: 22 Jan 2008
Posts: 414
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04-23-2009 13:29
Only reason I can think of is that they want a touch of RL realism to the sim. Flying doesn't work in RL (at least last time I checked, I haven't been there for a while) and some sim owners might think that it clashes with the feeling of reality if it's allowed in SL. While that's fine and dandy, second life is NOT real, and it's stupid to turn off flying in a sim. Here's a VERY good reason why: I was teleporting to a sim from the search the other day, and the tp point landed me in the middle of the ocean. Normally, I'd just fly straight up and find a place to land, but flying was turned off, and unless I wanted to pan the camera straight up god knows how far to see where I was, I'd be forced to walk. And it was dark. I couldn't even see on the minimap where the land might have been. Why turn off flying? All it served to do was make me leave. Too bad the teleport point was in the middle of the ocean, huh? Especially since this was a club event, and I'm pretty sure clubs like the traffic. _____________________
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Sredni Eel
DJ Johnny
Join date: 22 Jan 2008
Posts: 414
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04-23-2009 13:37
It sounds like the same argument over why microwaves are better than stoves because the microwave cooks things faster. Honestly, who cares? If someone turns it off, they turn it off. The DCWF sim has it off for quite a few reasons, mainly because we dont want people flying into the wrestling ring, flying backstage, flying onto the stage, so on. If a live venue has no fly turned on, it's a very good precaution considering how many jackasses their are in SL that would have no problem flying right up onto the stage. Really, I can't believe people are even bothered by this. To those of you that just leave if you don't like it, that's probably the best option. But really, a sim is 256m wide...that isn't really that far to walk, you could cross a sim in less than a minute. Turn on run and do it in half the time. Really isn't that difficult. Ever try to walk across Sweetheart's Jazz Club? It's so lagged that flying is almost the only answer if you want to make it to the other side. _____________________
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LittleMe Jewell
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Join date: 8 Oct 2007
Posts: 11,319
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04-23-2009 13:39
I can understand No Fly in some RP areas in order to keep with the theme of the RP, but that does not mean that I *always* respect it. - though not necessarily on purpose Like Lexxi, I often have my Admin mode on and if I TP in already in flight I might not even notice it is a No Fly area. I have done that and had people ask me not to fly - in those cases I have respected their wishes and went to my feet.
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Infiniview Merit
The 100 Trillionth Cell
Join date: 27 Apr 2006
Posts: 845
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04-23-2009 13:50
Hey thanks for the View/Admin option I didnt know there was one applying to flying.
I love being able to fly, IMHO it just simply rocks. I respect why certain places disallow it, the thing that bothers me is when malls do it so you are forced to walk by stores. It is like going to a mall to find out that you now have an additional handicap for marketing purposes. Although not directly related it reminds me of the hassle of spam and junk mail, just that life would be so much easier if it didnt exist. When I tp into a shopping place and find out it is no fly, I immediately vote with my TP button. _____________________
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Stormy Pixelmaid
Registered User
Join date: 13 Apr 2009
Posts: 70
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04-27-2009 14:30
I understand why some sims want no-fly authenticity. But I go to fantasy sims where is should be possible for at least some creatures to fly.
I think I have been to Etopia a couple of times. Never got very far. Not interested enough to wear out my finger walking, I guess. I have also landed in the ocean or somewhere else I don't want to be. If I want to be there badly enough, I wish I could fly. (I can now that I know about admin. <g>  I will not walk around a large store. However, I now generally leave rather than fly. Why walk around poorly designed stores (90% of them) when I can sit in my hot tub and shop on XSt? Some sims allow hovering. Don't know how that works but I like it. It allows fantasy creatures limited flying. It is easier to get around. Protects sky boxes. Sylvan |
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Lexxi Gynoid
#'s 86000, 97800
Join date: 6 Aug 2007
Posts: 3,732
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04-27-2009 14:47
Some sims allow hovering. Don't know how that works but I like it. It allows fantasy creatures limited flying. It is easier to get around. Protects sky boxes. Probably not what is happening in this particular case, but hovering is doable. Put your location/RP place/shop, etc. up high in the sky. Make it a rule to have fly off and flight assist off. Now people that try to fly only hover, not fly. Hovering along the "ground", or the floor of the skyplatform (edit: heh, ok this wasn't what I meant, as you need fly on to hover). Not sure if it still is like that, but Grendal's Children is known for this issue. They even have a sign/notecard, something that informs visitors about the hovering issue. Though they do not demand that you do not fly, just noting why some find they cannot fly, but only hover. _____________________
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Darien Caldwell
Registered User
Join date: 12 Oct 2006
Posts: 3,127
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04-27-2009 14:50
Because when flying is on, people fly. At times the only privacy one can get is to build a skybox to get 'out of reach' of all the nosy people. But with flying on, I guarantee you'll have 30 people a day flying up to see 'what the green dots are'. So you can either:
A) set up a security orb and ineffectually try to eject the busybodies. B) Turn of Flying to try to prevent them from even getting up there. C) put up with it. Many people opt for B. Yes there are a million ways to get around it. But considering most newbies don't know those ways, and newbies make up the largest percentage of Curious Georges, it's pretty effective. _____________________
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Jojogirl Bailey
jojo's Folly owner
Join date: 20 Jun 2007
Posts: 1,094
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04-27-2009 14:51
sorry that was your experience stormy...on etopia we have some cool alternatives tho...two trains, two gondolas, bikes, etc that can transport you around and also give you a bird's eye view....so we dont mandate being stuck to the ground for sure...lol
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Argent Stonecutter
Emergency Mustelid
Join date: 20 Sep 2005
Posts: 20,263
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04-27-2009 15:05
Because when flying is on, people fly. At times the only privacy one can get is to build a skybox to get 'out of reach' of all the nosy people. But with flying on, I guarantee you'll have 30 people a day flying up to see 'what the green dots are'. I do a lot of work in a skybox, with two alts and friends kibitzing. In 4 years I've had precisely one uninvited and unexpected visitor... and they didn't fly, they came up in a teleporter I forgot to turn off. Putting your skybox at 3000 meters will deter pretty much any "curious george" who isn't using a vehicle. And of course "no fly" won't stop a vehicle. _____________________
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LittleMe Jewell
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Join date: 8 Oct 2007
Posts: 11,319
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04-27-2009 15:25
Because when flying is on, people fly. At times the only privacy one can get is to build a skybox to get 'out of reach' of all the nosy people. But with flying on, I guarantee you'll have 30 people a day flying up to see 'what the green dots are'. So you can either: A) set up a security orb and ineffectually try to eject the busybodies. B) Turn of Flying to try to prevent them from even getting up there. C) put up with it. Many people opt for B. Yes there are a million ways to get around it. But considering most newbies don't know those ways, and newbies make up the largest percentage of Curious Georges, it's pretty effective. _____________________
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Briana Dawson
Attach to Mouth
Join date: 23 Sep 2003
Posts: 5,855
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04-27-2009 18:10
A) set up a security orb and ineffectually try to eject the busybodies. B) Turn of Flying to try to prevent them from even getting up there. C) put up with it. Wow Darien. Is that all? I can guarantee you that it there is something much easier to do that does not require orbs, that can take care of people flying in your sim, without turning fly off. Orbs are for when they linger. You definitely do not have to put up with it, if you have the means to handle it. _____________________
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Tabliopa Underwood
Registered User
Join date: 6 Aug 2007
Posts: 719
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04-27-2009 19:36
What is the point of an owner switching off flying in his sim, if it can simply be switched back on again by any avatar via the viewer?? |
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Nina Stepford
was lied to by LL
Join date: 26 Mar 2007
Posts: 3,373
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04-27-2009 20:38
all those people suggesting 'aw fuck em just ctrl alt v' bear in mind i am not the only person that will bring down the banstick on this sort of antic.
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Argent Stonecutter
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Join date: 20 Sep 2005
Posts: 20,263
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04-28-2009 02:50
all those people suggesting 'aw fuck em just ctrl alt v' bear in mind i am not the only person that will bring down the banstick on this sort of antic. * If someone takes off on a parcel that has fly they may never notice that you have fly disabled. * If someone teleports in flying, they may never even notice you have fly disabled. * If someone is using a vehicle, they may never notice you have fly disabled. * If someone is using a movement aid (eg, teledash, or various anti-griefer tools) they don't need fly. Contrariwise: * If someone's character is (eg) a robot with ducted fan jets for moving about, flying is essential to the theme of the character. Disabling flying is like banning the use of the word "tits" in search. It doesn't provide the benefits you're looking for, and it hurts people who aren't trying to mess with you (eg, someone selling sculpty songbirds). _____________________
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Tarina Sewell
Just Browsing Thank you
Join date: 20 Jul 2007
Posts: 2,180
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04-28-2009 04:03
I dont allow flying over my store in my sim because I have a studio un the clouds and I dont want people snooping around. The rest of my sim is fly zone
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Argent Stonecutter
Emergency Mustelid
Join date: 20 Sep 2005
Posts: 20,263
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04-28-2009 04:08
I dont allow flying over my store in my sim because I have a studio un the clouds and I dont want people snooping around. The rest of my sim is fly zone If you don't want people flying near your studio, put it 4km up. It's not a perfect solution, but until LL implements something like http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-205 it's the best you can do. AT 4km up, with normal flying speed 20m/s, it will take a bit over three minutes to reach you which is enough to deter casual passers-by. _____________________
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Maniac Violet
Registered User
Join date: 24 Apr 2009
Posts: 9
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04-28-2009 07:55
I don't mind no-fly zones that much. But security orbs that teleport you elsewhere after 3 seconds should by destroyed.
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Lindal Kidd
Dances With Noobs
Join date: 26 Jun 2007
Posts: 8,371
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04-28-2009 08:38
all those people suggesting 'aw fuck em just ctrl alt v' bear in mind i am not the only person that will bring down the banstick on this sort of antic. /me flits insolently about your parcel (after all, I don't want to scuff my shoes). Nyah nyah nyahhhhhh....KERPOW. Oh well.   _____________________
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Darien Caldwell
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Join date: 12 Oct 2006
Posts: 3,127
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04-28-2009 12:04
Wow Darien. Is that all? I can guarantee you that it there is something much easier to do that does not require orbs, that can take care of people flying in your sim, without turning fly off. Orbs are for when they linger. You definitely do not have to put up with it, if you have the means to handle it. Do I have to buy a vowel to know what this easy thing is?  _____________________
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Briana Dawson
Attach to Mouth
Join date: 23 Sep 2003
Posts: 5,855
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04-28-2009 16:33
Do I have to buy a vowel to know what this easy thing is? YES! If the sim is no rez, you do not have to worry about them sitting on prims and elevating themselves through your sim. And in case they fly, just place a few 256x256 alpha prims throughout the layers of the sim scripted to kill avatars on collision. It is not unbeatable, but i would hazard a guess and say that about 92.31347% of SL residents probably will not return. _____________________
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Carl Metropolitan
Registered User
Join date: 7 Jul 2005
Posts: 1,031
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04-28-2009 16:42
Traffic - some retail locations force no fly as a way to slow people down so they look at more stores instead of flying to the one they want. It also helps keep those shoppers on the sim longer, adding to traffic count. I guess they have to make up for the traffic loss from people like myself who immediately TP out. _____________________
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Argent Stonecutter
Emergency Mustelid
Join date: 20 Sep 2005
Posts: 20,263
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04-28-2009 16:58
YES! If the sim is no rez, you do not have to worry about them sitting on prims and elevating themselves through your sim. And in case they fly, just place a few 256x256 alpha prims throughout the layers of the sim scripted to kill avatars on collision. It is not unbeatable, but i would hazard a guess and say that about 92.31347% of SL residents probably will not return. _____________________
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