Question about sim ownership and public rights

Hmmm... I think the only solution would be to buy THEIR sim and then ban them. --snip--
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Uhmm I've done this.... Its so satisfying.

It takes a while sometimes, I rent a plot and then rent more under other names until you own practicallythe whole sim, then bail all at once and the sim owner crashes and then my bank account av steps in and I buy it out on firesale. Then I boot the person I was gunning for in the first place.

In fact Im taking over a estate grid right now thats pissed me off, Sim by sim.. little by little. it may take months or a year. But I'll do it.

is it right?
eh... I dont care.
Alls fair in love and war.

Treat me nice in the first place and there wouldnt be a problem. I can actually be really nice. I dont go looking for trouble but if you insist on being a ass it may cost you. right now I'm running one sim thats getting a lot of really short avs and furries on it... so far im being open minded but some of them are really pushing it even though there are warnings against it. I just dont get it why they contiune when they know its not cool.

I give money to noobs and people in need all the time, they just don't know its me. I go to noob hubs and listen to the idiots, but, once in a while, I'll hear a voice of reason and hope... those I'll drop assistance on be it cash, simple landmarks, guidence or even once or twice -- free land.
But I have a noob test, because im not going to be suckered by an alt. (its probably happened, but I try to be careful.)
(you can tell a real noob versus a alt noob most times) but not always.

This is so different then me. I very seldom get that revenge feeling. I certainly would never be able to sustain it for all the time this would take. I guess I am just not a vengeful person. I might do something mean and cutting in the heat of the moment, but I would never waste time plotting it out. Actually the couple times I do strike out I usually end up feeling worse then the person I am out to get.

I guess if I were to start banning avatars on the basis of the race, gender or nationality of the account holders who operate the avatars I'd run into legal difficulties pretty quickly.

Here is some information:

http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/restaurants-right-to-refuse-service.html

the primary purpose of a restaurant is to sell food to the general public, which necessarily requires susceptibility to equal protection laws. Therefore, a restaurant’s existence as private property does not excuse an unjustified refusal of service. This can be contrasted to a nightclub, which usually caters itself to a specific group of clientele based on age and social status.

As a Brit, I am, of course, well aware that some Royals have different standards of normality to the rest of us, so I guess the Queen of SL is as entitled to her regal eccentricities as is the Prince of Wales.

But isn't that a tad obsessive, Ciera?

Thanks. It's a different in my part of the world, of course.

However, I see from the article that Since sims aren't open to the general public in the first place -- you have to open an account with LL, which you can't do till you're 18 -- and then, when you get here, it's inherent in a sim that it has rules about standards of conduct (PG, Mature or Adult) and that access to a parcel, whatever its rating, can be restricted on the basis of Age or Account verification, that would seem to me to put everything in SL firmly in the "nightclub" category rather than the "restaurant that sells food to the general public".

Oh I agree. Nothing in SL is an essential service, all non LL owned areas are private in my opinion, and whether they are publically accessable or not, their owners reserve the right to deny acess to anyone at anytime, for any reason.

Even, hypothetically, if the purpose of the banning is to make a deliberate statement of hate against a particular race, gender, or sexuality? If, in other words, that is the intended function of the ban? As for instance banning Jews or blacks? (It doesn't matter, in a sense, whether or not the RL race of visitors are known: the declaration is itself a statement of hate.)

Even, hypothetically, if the purpose of the banning is to make a deliberate statement of hate against a particular race, gender, or sexuality? If, in other words, that is the intended function of the ban? As for instance banning Jews or blacks? (It doesn't matter, in a sense, whether or not the RL race of visitors are known: the declaration is itself a statement of hate.)

I'll use a bit of an analogy that is not very exact, but . . .

What if I post a large sign on the wall of my house in RL, visible to everyone, asserting that nonwhites are subhuman? No one is "hurt"; it's MY property. Would that be acceptable?

/me shrinks in her chair just a little, in anticipation of the sound of ripping duct tape . . .

Racist sims are not allowed in SL to begin with.

Why not reread the TOS and CS pages.

Yes. It would be. I've always felt that the best way to deal with people like racists is to let them spew their bile for all to see. Show themselves for what they are, take away any aura or glamor that can be associated with them. Expose their ugliness and hate.

Don't worry, the duct tape is locked away for the holiday.

Hello everyone!

I have a question that has been bugging me because of a recent incident in SL.

Do sim owners have the complete power to choose who can access the sim even if the sim is a supposedly public place, like a club for example? I understand that people who misbehave and disturb others in the sim can be ejected and banned. My question is that can a person, who has done nothing wrong, be banned just because one of the club's personnel does not like to see that person in the club (for whatever reason)?

To me this sounds totally wrong and in real life would be close to a court case based on discrimination. But what is the case in SL? Are the sim owners omnipotent in this sense and there is no rules and regulations about this?

Thanks for any comments,
Hugh

On the other hand, I'd love to hear of even ONE example of a complaint being lodged successfully against someone for "The use of derogatory or demeaning language or images in reference to another Resident's ... gender ... or sexual orientation."
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On the other hand, I'd love to hear of even ONE example of a complaint being lodged successfully against someone for "The use of derogatory or demeaning language or images in reference to another Resident's ... gender ... or sexual orientation."

ETA: Members of one group that I belong to have been ARing a series of openly racist posters on one sim for several days now, to no effect.

This is so different then me. I very seldom get that revenge feeling. I certainly would never be able to sustain it for all the time this would take. I guess I am just not a vengeful person.

You have asked three questions here; I may be the sole dissenting opinion, but ~ you have rights, strictly speaking, believe it or not.
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Hi, Hugh.
It's just like RL. Haven't you seen those signs in stores..."We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone"?

A lot of people in the US fail to understand that many places they think are public are actually private - such as a shopping mall.

Laws in other countries might vary, and some states make private places holding out a public use act as if they were public (California for example to a degree) - but in general in the US - owners of private property can use it as they desire as long as they do not violate some -other- civil right.