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Jumpman Lane
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10-02-2007 10:54
From: Chris Norse
Jumpy, the subject you raised in that thread is deserving of discussion.

crap...chris u r right . man now I AM argeein with those i rarely do the end is upon us. :)
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10-02-2007 10:55
From: Oryx Tempel
I totally agreed with Jumpy on that post. For those of you who didn't catch it:

Jumpy said that the way that LL punishes residents inworld for stupid stuff that they do in the Forums is completely unfair. In other words, if someone gets banned from the Forums, they get banned from SL altogether. This just doesn't seem right to me. Sure, we can get a little insulting in the Forums, but that's no reason that we can't be civil inworld. Sheesh.
Is this true? I know of two avatars who are banned from this forum but not from SL...
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10-02-2007 10:56
From: Chris Norse
He also said he has been banned longer for forum conduct than he was for crashing a sim multiple times.
no...i NEVER crashed a sim. i meant orbiting everyone off of one til it was good and empty! I LIKE sl. sim crashers are reprehensible. THEY STOP THE GAME!
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10-02-2007 11:03
From: Raymond Figtree
Is this true? I know of two avatars who are banned from this forum but not from SL...

me too. i know ONE permantly banned in the forums but appears regulary in world P. NEVA, but my forum bannins included in world bannings too. and my point was that i received massively more time for TROLLING (21 days altogether) and only ONE day for orbitiong evryone on a sim repeatedly. point is WHY crossban when they "crimes" are regulated the AREAS regulated so differently? I mean if i said all the things i've posted and got ared for it in world they's be laughed at by linden labs. here two days, and wouldn't ya think orbiting is worse than trolling ? the res mod closed it cause i should appeal to LL if i think they were iunjust. NOPE i don't
i mean i sorta expected the results. it is not the specific crimes that the policy i object to and here again we fall into the the crap about reposting etc...BUT as the thread was dead and i was off topic anyway perhaps this one will last a day or so :P
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10-02-2007 11:13
Oh, sorry, I didn't mean permanently banned. I meant "suspended." My bad. ;)
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10-02-2007 11:17
From: Jumpman Lane
me too. i know ONE permantly banned in the forums but appears regulary in world P. NEVA, but my forum bannins included in world bannings too. and my point was that i received massively more time for TROLLING (21 days altogether) and only ONE day for orbitiong evryone on a sim repeatedly. point is WHY crossban when they "crimes" are regulated the AREAS regulated so differently? I mean if i said all the things i've posted and got ared for it in world they's be laughed at by linden labs. here two days, and wouldn't ya think orbiting is worse than trolling ? the res mod closed it cause i should appeal to LL if i think they were iunjust. NOPE i don't
i mean i sorta expected the results. it is not the specific crimes that the policy i object to and here again we fall into the the crap about reposting etc...BUT as the thread was dead and i was off topic anyway perhaps this one will last a day or so :P
You got a 21 day suspension for trolling? That is insane.

Is it possible for LL to be a worse-run company?

/ducks in case suspension is eminent
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Jumpman Lane
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10-02-2007 11:22
From: Raymond Figtree
You got a 21 day suspension for trolling? That is insane.

Is it possible for LL to be a worse-run company?

/ducks in case suspension is eminent

7 then 14 aand flamin too i think who knows as any disagree ment is TROLLING as any insult is FLAMING at what point is it possible to SAY ANYTHING at all with the spector of mounting suspensions and a possible life time ban over your head. After a point moderation becomes censorship and power mad lil weirdo avi's become tin horn dictators. What ever happened to the idea that second life was a free space? Well when i get my life time ban for trollin i'kll just give my money to the makers of THERE or IMUV or whatever tardy game is out there OR I'll just get a ps3
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10-02-2007 11:24
From: Jumpman Lane
7 then 14 aand flamin too i think who knows as any disagree ment is TROLLING as any insult is FLAMING at what point is it possible to SAY ANYTHING at all with the spector of mounting suspensions and a possible life time ban over your head. After a point moderation becomes censorship and power mad lil weirdo avi's become tin horn dictators. What ever happened to the idea that second life was a free space? Well when i get my life time ban for trollin i'kll just give my money to the makers of THERE or IMUV or whatever tardy game is out there OR I'll just get a ps3
I know you should not have to do this, but be real careful with your posts, JL. Might even want to avoid posting for a while. Hate to see you get permabanned.
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10-02-2007 11:27
From: Raymond Figtree
I know you should not have to do this, but be real careful with your posts, JL. Might even want to avoid posting for a while. Hate to see you get permabanned.

screw em the THERE avi's are lookin better and better every day :P
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10-02-2007 11:28
From: Raymond Figtree
I know you should not have to do this, but be real careful with your posts, JL. Might even want to avoid posting for a while. Hate to see you get permabanned.

To be truthful 21 days would be a Permaban for me. 3 weeks away from SL would pretty much be outta site outta mind.
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10-02-2007 11:31
From: Brenda Connolly
To be truthful 21 days would be a Permaban for me. 3 weeks away from SL would pretty much be outta site outta mind.

the one day ban was worse cause i could use an alt but only jumpman had my fav toys! and the 21 days were sorta weird and i cant say why BUT Linden Labs SWEARS nothing was wrong with the grid...AND I BELIEVE EM! AND LUCKY FOR ME THERE WERE A FEW wed. TOSSED IN ..I MEAN THEY WERE BANGIN ON THINGS
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10-02-2007 11:35
From: Jumpman Lane
7 then 14 aand flamin too i think who knows as any disagree ment is TROLLING as any insult is FLAMING at what point is it possible to SAY ANYTHING at all with the spector of mounting suspensions and a possible life time ban over your head. After a point moderation becomes censorship and power mad lil weirdo avi's become tin horn dictators. What ever happened to the idea that second life was a free space?
I think it makes sense to try to change forum policy with respect to crossbanning and necroposting, and I think it's possible to do, if one stays calm and suggests reasonable alternatives to LL/Strife.

But I do have to quibble with two of your points, Jumpy.

"any insult is FLAMING " well, insulting people IS flaming, and some people have thin skins, and then AR you. If enough ARs pile up, LL feels it has to do something. Your beef here is not so much with LL as it is with the style of discourse here, which seems more genteel than most forums. Maybe we all need to grow a skin. Or maybe you could stop gratuitously insulting relatively innocent bystanders, who are probably the people ARing you. Why insult people's pics in gallery threads? Spend your time insulting people like me instead, that at least makes sense.

"What ever happened to the idea that second life was a free space?" Do you mean free = lawless? Has SL ever been without rules? I doubt it. It is a social networking site, there are rules.
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10-02-2007 11:47
From: Nika Talaj
Why insult people's pics in gallery threads?


Oh, who would do such a thing? lol I didn't consider that AR-worthy though, partly because they're just pixels on a page and partly because I chose to fuss back...I mean, it kind of sucks to AR someone when you're basically egging them on. :p
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10-02-2007 11:54
From: Nika Talaj
I think it makes sense to try to change forum policy with respect to crossbanning and necroposting, and I think it's possible to do, if one stays calm and suggests reasonable alternatives to LL/Strife.

But I do have to quibble with two of your points, Jumpy.

"any insult is FLAMING " well, insulting people IS flaming, and some people have thin skins, and then AR you. If enough ARs pile up, LL feels it has to do something. Your beef here is not so much with LL as it is with the style of discourse here, which seems more genteel than most forums. Maybe we all need to grow a skin. Or maybe you could stop gratuitously insulting relatively innocent bystanders, who are probably the people ARing you. Why insult people's pics in gallery threads? Spend your time insulting people like me instead, that at least makes sense.

"What ever happened to the idea that second life was a free space?" Do you mean free = lawless? Has SL ever been without rules? I doubt it. It is a social networking site, there are rules.

phil linden himself referred to sl as a free space! and it IS freer than the labs! the whole nettiquette thing is to "protect" internet wimps and give a poed mod rationlizations to lock and LR internet enemies! everydisagreement AINT trollin and evey INSULT is NOT flaming. and anyway the guidelines only DISCOURAGE not prohibit thses things, and necromancy is tardy. if it's open and you CAN post in it why arent ya allowed to. (in fact u r :) )
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10-02-2007 11:56
From: Ann Launay
Oh, who would do such a thing? lol I didn't consider that AR-worthy though, partly because they're just pixels on a page and partly because I chose to fuss back...I mean, it kind of sucks to AR someone when you're basically egging them on. :p

you DID ar me lol
you did
you did
you did
Iridium sent me links to the posts that were ared
they were urs :P
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10-02-2007 11:57
From: Jumpman Lane
you DID ar me lol
you did
you did
you did
Iridium sent me links to the posts that were ared
they were urs :P


I didn't. Anyone can AR any post, except their own.
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10-02-2007 12:00
From: Ann Launay
I didn't. Anyone can AR any post, except their own.

you ared MY posts to (and quotin) you. No one else would have cared ...they'd a been too busy laughin
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10-02-2007 12:00
From: Jumpman Lane
phil linden himself referred to sl as a free space! and it IS freer than the labs! the whole nettiquette thing is to "protect" internet wimps and give a poed mod rationlizations to lock and LR internet enemies! everydisagreement AINT trollin and evey INSULT is NOT flaming. and anyway the guidelines only DISCOURAGE not prohibit thses things, and necromancy is tardy. if it's open and you CAN post in it why arent ya allowed to. (in fact u r :) )

Of course every disagreement isn't trolling. If it were, I'd've been banned a long time ago, as would have pretty much every person here. Disagreement is fine. It's the way that we say it that matters. Sort of like that old axiom, "It's not WHAT you say, it's HOW you say it." The reason that I never joined SLC was that I didn't feel comfortable with HOW things were said. *shrug* To each his own I suppose.
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10-02-2007 12:03
From: Jumpman Lane
you ared MY posts to (and quotin) you. No one else would have cared ...they'd a been too busy laughin


Jumpy, you can believe me or not, but I never AR'd you for the Gallery posts. It's conceivable (although not likely) that I was short-tempered some other time and AR'd you then, but I didn't this time.
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Congratulations and shame on you! You are a bit of a slut.
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10-02-2007 12:05
From: Jumpman Lane
phil linden himself referred to sl as a free space! and it IS freer than the labs! the whole nettiquette thing is to "protect" internet wimps and give a poed mod rationlizations to lock and LR internet enemies! everydisagreement AINT trollin and evey INSULT is NOT flaming. and anyway the guidelines only DISCOURAGE not prohibit thses things, and necromancy is tardy. if it's open and you CAN post in it why arent ya allowed to. (in fact u r :) )
You screwed up. You took Phillip at his word.
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10-02-2007 12:06
From: Jumpman Lane
Iridium sent me links to the posts that were ared
they were urs :P
Jump, I'm also fairly sure that somebody else AR'd your little exchange with Ann, as you recall there was a lot of different people posting "awww Ann your pics are great". Ann is too forum-wise to AR you over that, as she herself says. Why not just believe her? And please don't go lookin' for who actually did it, what does it matter?

We're pullin' with ya man here, don't get yrself all twisty over little things. The big thing here is a possibility to actually make the forums less punitive and a little looser. Let's focus on that.
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10-02-2007 12:06
From: Ann Launay
Jumpy, you can believe me or not, but I never AR'd you for the Gallery posts. It's conceivable (although not likely) that I was short-tempered some other time and AR'd you then, but I didn't this time.

beyond a certain point i TRULY believe ya cause i am bein forum stalked by a particular mod, but i know ya did atleast once, maybe when i said that other guy called you crazy (i insulted HIM too, i think he ared me as well ) lol
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10-02-2007 12:09
Although banning people from SL for behaviour on the forums is debatable, I can see why I might make an exception in the case of Mr Lame.
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10-02-2007 12:23
From: Jumpman Lane
beyond a certain point i TRULY believe ya cause i am bein forum stalked by a particular mod, but i know ya did atleast once, maybe when i said that other guy called you crazy (i insulted HIM too, i think he ared me as well ) lol


I've only AR'd in general a few times and it was always when I was concerned people might genuinely be hurt by the things that were said. I don't specifically recall having had that reaction to any of your posts - I generally just file them away with the pies, penguins, and panties under 'forum nonsense' - but it is *possible* if you caught me on a crabbier-than-usual day. :p
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Congratulations and shame on you! You are a bit of a slut.
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10-02-2007 12:25
From: Chas Connolly
Although banning people from SL for behaviour on the forums is debatable, I can see why I might make an exception in the case of Mr Lame.

volunteer, or better yet apply to be a janitor at LL, then you can do all ya can do Chas Linden :P till then keep doin what all the connollys are doin...dodgin monkey dung and elephant crap in the circus...Ring top leaders?well you figure it out
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