Have *any* Canadians been able to age-verify?

I attempted to age verify with my DL back in the beta for concierge residents.. no go though despite having lived in my own house at present address for about 15 years!
I have no intention of giving my SIN or Passport number to these less-than-reliable characters.

Hmmm... I seem to think there may be a huge fuss over this coming from Canada, I was not able to Verify either and I am damned if I am going to send any personal identification VIA mail. If some unscrupulous individual in the mail service in Belgium will open a package containing a CD, perhaps someone between me and the age verification office will do the same with my letter containing ID! At least when I order my CD's from Belgium they are kept apprised of the state of delivery of the product and likewise keep me informed. No such security with this, and I care slightly less if that mail employee steals a CD and my vendor has to send a new one (Though I would feel bad for the vendor.) than some one stealing my ID documents for their own purpose.

Add me to the list as another Canadian that verification failed.

You don't have to give your SIN

You don't have to log in sl either.

What i mean is that a foreign company can ask you whatever information they want, it is your choice to refuse but i guess all depend how badly you need their services.

You're missing the point here. None of the government agencies behind the SIN, passport number, or drivers licences can provide any age verification information to SL/Integrity, because it contravenes the Privacy Act.

So that means that at present, NO CANADIAN CAN VERIFY AS AN ADULT. SL/Integrity is going to have to come up with some other way.

Putting this as a choice whether to log on or off SL is ridiculous under the circumstances.

This may be a weird question... but how do Canadians verify their age for other services?

Here in the states if I want to buy alcohol (for example) a lot of places just swipe my DL and it tells them if I am over 21 or not.

Well this would depend upon whether any Canadian has provided this information to a third party before. I agree that they're not going to be able to confirm this information via government sources.

Most places just ask for picture ID. If you don't have a DL, (not sure about other provinces) in Québec we can use our Assurance Maladie (Medicare Card). Everyone has one of those, it's free.

Wow, so Canadians don't really have a way of electronically verifying their age? That just seems so weird to me! When I was a waitress we were required to swipe every single driver's license (on something similar to a credit card machine) just to ensure that we didn't serve alcohol to minors with fake IDs.

Underage does not exist in Canada, we're all born adult already, complete with house and a job...

The Following has NOT been addressed:

What is the garuntee that this third party will
respect the privacy laws and NOT store he info unless
requested?

Is LL Monitoring this third party? Why should we
entrust our privet info to a third party we know
nothing about?

What about security? how securer is this third party?
Who do we hold accountable if a security breach occurs
at the third party?

What about third party credentials?

I believe we have the Legal right to view those too.

What garuntees do we have against Identity theft?

I refuse to submit any of my privet info to The third
party until you guys address ALL my concerns and
questions regarding this issue.
I do NOT feel safe nor secure releasing my privet info
to a third party I know nothing about.

How much do free accounts have to pay? what about
those of us unable to get a credit card for what ever
reasons or can’t access pay-pal?

Also it’s illegal for an online virtual world to
require a users social security number for any reason.

THere’s not a single piece of ID on that list that I feel I can trust SL with.

FOR ALL YOU CANADIANS!!!!!!!!!


If you are worried about protecting your private info, you need to talk to your government first.


http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=9917

Passport Canada recently saw fit to have a data breach of their own, and expose the personal data of Canadians using its website to apply for the travel documents.

Unfortunately, many applicants whose data may have been compromised may never know, as Canada does not currently have any law requiring organizations to disclose security breaches at all.

As I have said before when the methods for age verification were made public: I will at NO point give my Social Insurance Number to any company online especially one whose security isnt rock solid like SLs (im sure some of you remember hearing about the credit card fiasco in SLs history)

I would rather have my account listed as unverified (if this thing ever gets fully integrated) then risk my private information being leaked to telemarketers or even worse. I cant use a drivers license since I have been paying for school and haven't needed one, nor can I use a passport since I don't have one of those (yet) and im not about to rush getting one just for SL...

I know how old I am, and those who know me well in SL know that too. Other then that, I could honestly care less. I dont need to be verified to build and enjoy SL with friends.

We have cards etc BUT we are not allowed to divulge information required by Lindens. Canadian security (despite what other nationalities might think) is very tight. I have floated around sl today as one of my alts and can't say I have noticed any serious probs. But I will NOT give information out about the "REAL" me to anyone if I can help it - and YES, we all know how our onformation can be hacked BUT that is a risk we ALL take. I just dont want to make the risk worse.

The job is in Fort Mac and the house is a trailer and our "adultness" is plagued with fears of obesity/weight loss/ientity crisis and an overwhelming urge to watch The National and listen to CBC1. We also have long onversations about road conditions and actually look forward to -40 since it kills germs.

LOL We DO tend to have too many conversations about road conditions, in both "official" languages... and not only does -40 temperatures kill off germs, but it also weeds out the weak from the strong, (a theory on why our population is so small).

Add to the list another Canadian banging head on nearest hard surface on account of the age verification beta. I'ts not really a bad idea in and of itself, but implementation needs a bit of work. A 1-800 hotline might be part of the solution.......hint hint to any Lindens who may be perusing this thread...Moderators, please pass this on...?

Here's the text of a letter I sent to Second Life, copied to various SL newsblogs:
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To: Second Life
From: An Angry Canadian SL user
Re: Age Verification

oFor ALL Canadians, the proposed new age-verification system for
Second Life is a complete failure and possibly ILLEGAL under Canadian
law. Here's why:

Integrity CANNOT VERIFY YOUR AGE using your Social Insurance Number
(SIN) or your passport number, and in fact, it is probably illegal for
them to do so under Canada's privacy act. Canadians can actually make
a formal complaint to the federal government about companies asking
for these numbers, and I'm sure you'll be getting a few of those.

Check for yourself if you don't believe me:

SIN: 1-800-206-7218 (Option 3 for SIN)
Passport Canada: 1-800-567-6868

I have called these 1-800 numbers and verified that the federal
government will NOT provide ANY information, including age, to ANY
third-party, except for other government departments, employers, and
financial institutions. Second Life/Integrity does NOT fall into any
of the exception categories. The law in Canada is quite clear, and
quiite strong in this area, unlike the States.

Also, in my own case, I have confirmed through a phone call to my
driver's licence bureau that Integrity CANNOT VERIFY YOUR AGE using a
Manitoba driver's licence (although they might be able to using an
Ontario driver's licence number alone, apparently your birth date is
embedded within your number). I've heard from other Canadian Second
Life users that Quebec and British Columbia have similar situations.
In all cases, the licensing bureau will not provide ANY information,
including age, to ANY third party except government departments,
employers, or financial instiutions. The law, again, is quite clear
and quite strict on this point.

The most important point I am making here is this:
************************************************************
Since Integrity CLEARLY CANNOT VERIFY MY AGE using ANY of the numbers
asked for, WHY IS SECOND LIFE/INTEGRITY ASKING FOR THEM? We are
explicitly warned NOT TO GIVE ANY OF THESE NUMBERS OUT to companies.
And under Candian law it is at best highly questionable and at worst
ILLEGAL for you to require Canadians to provide ANY of the numbers
given as options in the drop-down menu on the age verification page.
Expect a flood complaints to various government agencies, and official
follow up by provincial and federal governments as a result of this.
************************************************************

It is clearly illegal for you to refuse to provide age-verification
services to Candians who refuse to provide ANY of these numbers. You
can't wiggle your way out of that. Canada's privacy act is quite
clear on this issue.

In summary, if you are providing serives to Canadians, you are going
to have to come up with another way to verify age, or no Canadians
will be able to verify.

So it seems the answer is to quit providing services to Canadians. Glad we have this settled.

You realise of course that SL is really just trying to get rid of you. Once you've gone it will be very easy for all Canadians, no matter where they live, to age verify.
Do the decent thing, man, and start complaining about the Candadian government, or something, anything.

You seems to have a very sickly-looking aura. Bad karma, man, bad karma.

EDIT: Or you could just have sex. Pay for it if you have to.

While i don't see the need for me to verify any of my accounts any time soon, I do agree that the fact that Canadians cannot legally age verify under the existing conditions is ridiculous, and that Morden's letter DOES have merit. To ridicule a group of users over being upset in this regard is rather shortsighted and unnecessary.

I don't think it was every made clear that it's ILLEGAL to ask or provide. Stupid, sure, but not ILLEGAL.

My apologies (not really). I didn't realise that ALL Canadians were suddenly devoid of humour. Cheer up.