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Imnotgoing Sideways

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11-06-2008 15:28

From: Sredni Eel

I think I'll put "morally reprehensible" into my profile. I like that.

Heh.. I'd wear it as a group tag... I've done worse. (^_^)y

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Grog Waydelich

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11-06-2008 17:34

From: Argent Stonecutter

It's got nothing to do with my identity or whether I'm role-playing or not. It's simply that voice is not well suited for many-to-many conversations. It tends to break up into multiple 1-1 conversations (where the cocktail party effect comes in) or it turns into a series of 1-many presentations.
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I agree. I *like* scanning up and down the text stream during a large-group discussion. I think this method works really well. It's amazing how often people say it's confusing, despite the fact that voice is harder to keep track of in a large group. I like your description of the problem - I've not seen it explained so clearly.

This is the "supports multiple conversation threads" dimension at the bottom of the diagram in http://virtualgreg.spill-label.org/2008/05/30/communicating-by-voice-in-second-life/#more-13 . I put 'immersionists' and 'augmentationists' on the 'text' side of this dimension, suggesting that people should like this aspect of text regardless of their attitude to pseudonymity - as you point out.

Of course this is just one way in which voice and text differ. Voice has advantages too (some of which depend on your attitude to pseudonymity) and these may outweigh the disadvantages in some situations.

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Brenda Connolly

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11-06-2008 17:49

From: Imnotgoing Sideways

Heh.. I'd wear it as a group tag... I've done worse. (^_^)y

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Snickers Snook

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Join date: 17 Apr 2007

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11-06-2008 19:52

I leave voice on but find that in most of the places I hang, no one uses it. Every so often I go out with a group of friends and voice comes in handy. Like others have said, it's also useful for giving instructions and stuff. I guess you can put me on the don't care either way side. There are also things I can type in IM I'd prefer my RL roomie not hear.

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Solar Legion

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11-06-2008 20:50

You know, for every person who complains about and refuses to use voice ... you will get a person like me for whom Voice is easier than text.

My own reason? I use a shared computer and as such do not fiddle with the resolution settings and such. Text on the screen is, at best, very fuzzy and very cloudy. sure, I can read it, but with great difficulty. I generally can be found with my nose quite close to the screen to read the text.

When voice was integrated, I was ecstatic. finally! A way for me to communicate that does not require painful eye strain!

Now, I still 'talk' in text for those who do not use Voice ... but I prefer Voice.

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Monalisa Robbiani

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11-07-2008 07:28

From: Ceera Murakami

And at that point, everyone who does like and use Voice who is near you will chatter away at you on Voice, and wonder why you're so rude and ignoring their witty remarks.

I've been using voice for quite a while now and I don't agree with your observation. When speaking I make sure people can hear me because I am aware of the fact that it is always possible that either someone's headset is broken or my voice setup is. When someone speaks and no reaction is following most people would assume a technical problem and ask in chat if they can be heard. If not, continue typing. No big deal.

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Kira Zobel

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11-07-2008 07:41

There's a place I used to visit all the time before voice. After voice...I have almost no desire to go there as often anymore. I don't want to have to enable voice just to speak to you. Volumes are bad, static is bad, and sounds, yeah.
I see voice used too much, I'd like to be in OP position of seeing it nowhere. o_o

Imnotgoing Sideways

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11-07-2008 07:55

Last night I was having a chat with a voice using friend and a noobie joined in. My guess is that about 2 or 3 minutes in, they stopped paying attention to my typing. I figured I was already out of the conversation so I TPed away. About a half hour later I got an apologetic IM from her saying she completely forgot I was there and didn't notice I left. I couldn't respond with much more than "S'okay, don't worry. (^_^)" (>_<

It's times like that which make me half tempted to get on the mic myself... But not. (>_<

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LittleMe Jewell

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11-07-2008 08:01

From: Phil Deakins

I use voice whenever possible. I usually don't mind whether or not the other person types or talks as long as I can avoid having to type

I had not considered that option. I usually do not use voice, mainly because it is distracting to others in the house (my office is a dual desk setup and often my husband is using his computer also). However, I recently met someone who is very dyslexic and prefers to not type because their spelling is not very good - though they do not mind working on the reading of my typing as long as I don't mind them being a bit slow with the reading. I had not really thought about the fact that I can enable voice for listening and just always respond with typing.

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Yosef Okelly

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Join date: 26 Aug 2007

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11-07-2008 08:28

Voice is just another tool to be used or not as you see fit. Nothing more, nothing less.

Argent Stonecutter

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11-07-2008 08:45

From: Imnotgoing Sideways

Heh.. I'd wear [morally reprehensible] as a group tag... I've done worse. (^_^)y

With voice users I'm tempted to put "morally invisible".

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Brenda Connolly

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11-07-2008 08:47

From: Yosef Okelly

Voice is just another tool to be used or not as you see fit. Nothing more, nothing less.

Unfortunately some of the people using it apparently are tools.

Argent Stonecutter

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11-07-2008 08:50

From: LittleMe Jewell

However, I recently met someone who is very dyslexic and prefers to not type because their spelling is not very good - though they do not mind working on the reading of my typing as long as I don't mind them being a bit slow with the reading.

This is where I want to see good real-time voice TRANSCRIPTION coming in. When I got a Pocket PC in 2000 it included a version of Dragon's voice product, and I was hopeful that I'd finally got a voice transcriber... but no, all it could do was accept commands, inaccurately. Since then voice *command* features have become common in even inexpensive handhelds, and I always have to turn them off... if you're not from New York, Los Angeles, or London it seems like they don't want to listen.

Voice transcription? Still science fiction.

From: Brenda Connolly

Unfortunately some of the people using it apparently are tools.

Oooh, burn!

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LittleMe Jewell

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11-07-2008 10:31

From: Brenda Connolly

Unfortunately some of the people using it apparently are tools.

My experience has been that *some* of the people using it are not even as useful as most of the tools that I have.

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Zena Randt

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Join date: 20 Nov 2007

Posts: 563

11-07-2008 11:19

From: LittleMe Jewell

My experience has been that *some* of the people using it are not even as useful as most of the tools that I have.

omg... LOL LOL LOL

so funny!

Sredni Eel

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Join date: 22 Jan 2008

Posts: 414

11-07-2008 15:56

From: Imnotgoing Sideways

Last night I was having a chat with a voice using friend and a noobie joined in. My guess is that about 2 or 3 minutes in, they stopped paying attention to my typing. I figured I was already out of the conversation so I TPed away. About a half hour later I got an apologetic IM from her saying she completely forgot I was there and didn't notice I left. I couldn't respond with much more than "S'okay, don't worry. (^_^)" (>_<

It's times like that which make me half tempted to get on the mic myself... But not. (>_<

I've had that happen. My response was a lot harsher.

"Well, if you want to talk to me again, let me know when you're ready to pay attention to local chat, because I will not use voice with you."

Yeah, I was in a pissy mood. Now that I have Immy's awesome "Pay attention to local chat" gesture, I'm going to be using it. A lot.

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Voice usage
Imnotgoing Sideways Can't outlaw cute! =^-^= Join date: 17 Nov 2007 Posts: 4,694	11-06-2008 15:28 From: Sredni Eel I think I'll put "morally reprehensible" into my profile. I like that. Heh.. I'd wear it as a group tag... I've done worse. (^_^)y _____________________ Somewhere in this world; there is someone having some good clean fun doing the one thing you hate the most. (^_^)y http://slurl.com/secondlife/Ferguson/54/237/94
Grog Waydelich Registered User Join date: 31 Mar 2008 Posts: 11	11-06-2008 17:34 From: Argent Stonecutter It's got nothing to do with my identity or whether I'm role-playing or not. It's simply that voice is not well suited for many-to-many conversations. It tends to break up into multiple 1-1 conversations (where the cocktail party effect comes in) or it turns into a series of 1-many presentations. -------------- I agree. I like scanning up and down the text stream during a large-group discussion. I think this method works really well. It's amazing how often people say it's confusing, despite the fact that voice is harder to keep track of in a large group. I like your description of the problem - I've not seen it explained so clearly. This is the "supports multiple conversation threads" dimension at the bottom of the diagram in http://virtualgreg.spill-label.org/2008/05/30/communicating-by-voice-in-second-life/#more-13 . I put 'immersionists' and 'augmentationists' on the 'text' side of this dimension, suggesting that people should like this aspect of text regardless of their attitude to pseudonymity - as you point out. Of course this is just one way in which voice and text differ. Voice has advantages too (some of which depend on your attitude to pseudonymity) and these may outweigh the disadvantages in some situations. _____________________ ------------------ Grog Waydelich
Brenda Connolly Un United Avatar Join date: 10 Jan 2007 Posts: 25,000	11-06-2008 17:49 From: Imnotgoing Sideways Heh.. I'd wear it as a group tag... I've done worse. (^_^)y pixplzthnxbye
Snickers Snook Odd Princess - Trout 7.3 Join date: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 746	11-06-2008 19:52 I leave voice on but find that in most of the places I hang, no one uses it. Every so often I go out with a group of friends and voice comes in handy. Like others have said, it's also useful for giving instructions and stuff. I guess you can put me on the don't care either way side. There are also things I can type in IM I'd prefer my RL roomie not hear. _____________________ Buh-bye forums, it's been good ta know ya.
Solar Legion Darkness from Light Join date: 9 Dec 2006 Posts: 434	11-06-2008 20:50 You know, for every person who complains about and refuses to use voice ... you will get a person like me for whom Voice is easier than text. My own reason? I use a shared computer and as such do not fiddle with the resolution settings and such. Text on the screen is, at best, very fuzzy and very cloudy. sure, I can read it, but with great difficulty. I generally can be found with my nose quite close to the screen to read the text. When voice was integrated, I was ecstatic. finally! A way for me to communicate that does not require painful eye strain! Now, I still 'talk' in text for those who do not use Voice ... but I prefer Voice. _____________________ Obscurum est Eternus
Monalisa Robbiani Registered User Join date: 9 Jul 2007 Posts: 861	11-07-2008 07:28 From: Ceera Murakami And at that point, everyone who does like and use Voice who is near you will chatter away at you on Voice, and wonder why you're so rude and ignoring their witty remarks. I've been using voice for quite a while now and I don't agree with your observation. When speaking I make sure people can hear me because I am aware of the fact that it is always possible that either someone's headset is broken or my voice setup is. When someone speaks and no reaction is following most people would assume a technical problem and ask in chat if they can be heard. If not, continue typing. No big deal. _____________________ Dances, animations, furniture for Loco Pocos Tiny Avatars. Group dances, circle dances. Sculpted neko furniture. Prefabs, mediterranean styled beach houses. http://slurl.com/secondlife/Inochi%20Island/201/225/21
Kira Zobel Registered User Join date: 6 Jan 2006 Posts: 345	11-07-2008 07:41 There's a place I used to visit all the time before voice. After voice...I have almost no desire to go there as often anymore. I don't want to have to enable voice just to speak to you. Volumes are bad, static is bad, and sounds, yeah. I see voice used too much, I'd like to be in OP position of seeing it nowhere. o_o
Imnotgoing Sideways Can't outlaw cute! =^-^= Join date: 17 Nov 2007 Posts: 4,694	11-07-2008 07:55 Last night I was having a chat with a voice using friend and a noobie joined in. My guess is that about 2 or 3 minutes in, they stopped paying attention to my typing. I figured I was already out of the conversation so I TPed away. About a half hour later I got an apologetic IM from her saying she completely forgot I was there and didn't notice I left. I couldn't respond with much more than "S'okay, don't worry. (^_^)" (>_< It's times like that which make me half tempted to get on the mic myself... But not. (>_< _____________________ Somewhere in this world; there is someone having some good clean fun doing the one thing you hate the most. (^_^)y http://slurl.com/secondlife/Ferguson/54/237/94
LittleMe Jewell ........... Join date: 8 Oct 2007 Posts: 11,319	11-07-2008 08:01 From: Phil Deakins I use voice whenever possible. I usually don't mind whether or not the other person types or talks as long as I can avoid having to type I had not considered that option. I usually do not use voice, mainly because it is distracting to others in the house (my office is a dual desk setup and often my husband is using his computer also). However, I recently met someone who is very dyslexic and prefers to not type because their spelling is not very good - though they do not mind working on the reading of my typing as long as I don't mind them being a bit slow with the reading. I had not really thought about the fact that I can enable voice for listening and just always respond with typing. _____________________ ♥♥♥ -Lil Why do you sit there looking like an envelope without any address on it? ~Mark Twain~ Optimism is denial, so face the facts and move on. ♥♥♥ Lil's Yard Sale / Inventory Cleanout: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Triggerfish/52/27/22 . http://www.flickr.com/photos/littleme_jewell
Yosef Okelly Mostly Harmless Join date: 26 Aug 2007 Posts: 2,692	11-07-2008 08:28 Voice is just another tool to be used or not as you see fit. Nothing more, nothing less.
Argent Stonecutter Emergency Mustelid Join date: 20 Sep 2005 Posts: 20,263	11-07-2008 08:45 From: Imnotgoing Sideways Heh.. I'd wear [morally reprehensible] as a group tag... I've done worse. (^_^)y With voice users I'm tempted to put "morally invisible". _____________________ Argent Stonecutter - http://globalcausalityviolation.blogspot.com/ "And now I'm going to show you something really cool." Skyhook Station - http://xrl.us/skyhook23 Coonspiracy Store - http://xrl.us/coonstore
Brenda Connolly Un United Avatar Join date: 10 Jan 2007 Posts: 25,000	11-07-2008 08:47 From: Yosef Okelly Voice is just another tool to be used or not as you see fit. Nothing more, nothing less. Unfortunately some of the people using it apparently are tools.
Argent Stonecutter Emergency Mustelid Join date: 20 Sep 2005 Posts: 20,263	11-07-2008 08:50 From: LittleMe Jewell However, I recently met someone who is very dyslexic and prefers to not type because their spelling is not very good - though they do not mind working on the reading of my typing as long as I don't mind them being a bit slow with the reading. This is where I want to see good real-time voice TRANSCRIPTION coming in. When I got a Pocket PC in 2000 it included a version of Dragon's voice product, and I was hopeful that I'd finally got a voice transcriber... but no, all it could do was accept commands, inaccurately. Since then voice command features have become common in even inexpensive handhelds, and I always have to turn them off... if you're not from New York, Los Angeles, or London it seems like they don't want to listen. Voice transcription? Still science fiction. From: Brenda Connolly Unfortunately some of the people using it apparently are tools. Oooh, burn! _____________________ Argent Stonecutter - http://globalcausalityviolation.blogspot.com/ "And now I'm going to show you something really cool." Skyhook Station - http://xrl.us/skyhook23 Coonspiracy Store - http://xrl.us/coonstore
LittleMe Jewell ........... Join date: 8 Oct 2007 Posts: 11,319	11-07-2008 10:31 From: Brenda Connolly Unfortunately some of the people using it apparently are tools. My experience has been that some of the people using it are not even as useful as most of the tools that I have. _____________________ ♥♥♥ -Lil Why do you sit there looking like an envelope without any address on it? ~Mark Twain~ Optimism is denial, so face the facts and move on. ♥♥♥ Lil's Yard Sale / Inventory Cleanout: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Triggerfish/52/27/22 . http://www.flickr.com/photos/littleme_jewell
Zena Randt . Join date: 20 Nov 2007 Posts: 563	11-07-2008 11:19 From: LittleMe Jewell My experience has been that some of the people using it are not even as useful as most of the tools that I have. omg... LOL LOL LOL so funny!
Sredni Eel DJ Johnny Join date: 22 Jan 2008 Posts: 414	11-07-2008 15:56 From: Imnotgoing Sideways Last night I was having a chat with a voice using friend and a noobie joined in. My guess is that about 2 or 3 minutes in, they stopped paying attention to my typing. I figured I was already out of the conversation so I TPed away. About a half hour later I got an apologetic IM from her saying she completely forgot I was there and didn't notice I left. I couldn't respond with much more than "S'okay, don't worry. (^_^)" (>_< It's times like that which make me half tempted to get on the mic myself... But not. (>_< I've had that happen. My response was a lot harsher. "Well, if you want to talk to me again, let me know when you're ready to pay attention to local chat, because I will not use voice with you." Yeah, I was in a pissy mood. Now that I have Immy's awesome "Pay attention to local chat" gesture, I'm going to be using it. A lot. _____________________ Visit Avatar Bizarre inworld for mens clothing and costumes, unisex wear, eyes, accessories, and more. http://slurl.com/secondlife/Burmilla/209/205/38

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