Absolutely brilliant solution to bots on your land
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Sling Trebuchet
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12-23-2007 07:50
From: Kitty Barnett I wouldn't need access restrictions if "explorers" showed the least bit of common decency, but so far I've come across only one single person who didn't waltz around like they own the place.
My house is up against a sim border, the landing point is at the farmost edge, you have to literally squeeze past the scarecrow to get onto the walkway and then you have to walk about 50m to actually get to the "front door". *Noone* can claim they just stumbled inside "accidently".
Yet time and time again "explorers" do intrude and always have some excuse ready about why they just have to go through all that trouble just to come bother me when I want some privacy (meaning I either want to be alone, or I want to be with the person/people that are there).
That's ignoring all the clueless newbies, the ones who think my house makes a great place for them to invite others over and the escorts who turn it into a brothel by tp'ing their clients over, the vehicle users who can't be bothered to clean up their mess, and so on.
There's also the fun fact that asking someone who just waltzed in the door to please leave is inevitably met with "why?" and more often than not further griefing when they have to be ejected because they just won't leave on their own.
Restricting the parcel to group eliminates all of that hassle and bother and they simply go bother one of the neighbours, although I think by now the other 4 people who live on the sim have done the same thing.
The majority of "explorers" on the forums may well be respectful, but the majority of "explorers" in-world are anything but and until that changes, people will keep putting up access restrictions so instead of ranting about "banlines", make it a point to educate others on what is and isn't socially acceptable and you'd be halfway there in eliminating them. I truly don't believe a switch to try educating the masses would be effective enough to reduce intrusive behaviour to a level that would satisfy supporters of the current ban lines and overly-anal security devices. The types of behaviour you describe above indicate people who are socially-impaired in RL and who are likely to exhibit even worse behaviour in a virtual world. People demand respect, but ban lines and hyperactive bots are disrespectful to the community at large. Respect is a two-way street. What we need are security measures that are more appropriate. Bees and Grannies -- rather than ugly curtains of intolerance and Rambos. We need something(s) that keep abusers out and allow travellers/explorers to keep moving along without all the drama and damage. Both the very security-concious and the explorers should have a common cause against abusers. The current tools and the way some of them are used seem to set people against each other unnecessarily.
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Illana Ireton
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12-26-2007 13:04
A scripted, physics-enabled device designed to bump avatars sounds like a sim crash waiting to happen. Maybe things will improve after the Havok upgrade, but for now these things (and all other physical objects) are forbidden on any of my rental islands. (Banlines are forbidden as well.)
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Karen Palen
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12-29-2007 19:43
From: Stephen Zenith Just going back to the original question, if the sole purpose is just to get rid of bots overflowing from your land (and you aren't bothered about real people being there), using a script to popup a dialog for them asking them to press a button would do the trick. Anybody who doesn't, you could assume are a bot. Perhaps combine it with the bees for the coolness factor  Sorry someone posted a script last week to deal with just that situation. As a reult if they DON'T reply they are probably NOT a "bot" but a real person who is looking at their email or gone for cofFee! It has certainly happened to me often enough! In my experience most of the time this results from some shopping mall owner simply throwing everyone out onto the next parcel. They then proceed to spam every group trying to get "real" people to populate thier wonderful mall. Those people stay a day or so an start to "look like bots" so they get thrown out and .... Pretty soon all you have is the really sophisticated "bots" or no one at all! |
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Colette Meiji
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12-29-2007 20:40
From: Karen Palen
Pretty soon all you have is the really sophisticated "bots" or no one at all!
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Tobias Convair
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12-31-2007 08:53
I don't understand the flap. I'm new to SL, but have already bought a good chunk of land on the mainland. I installed security on the doors to my house, because of the behavior described in other msgs: avs entering unannounced and waltzing thru the house without a word. Yes, I'd love to show off my house, but the rudeness of most visitors prevents me from having an open door policy.
I understand the no-limits philosophy of a virtual utopia. No rules, no zoning, little control. But in a civilized society (which I believe SL believes it is) there has to be limits. If you pay for land, you have the right to restrict or not restrict access. I hate ban lines... they crash me in my heli everytime I go out and are a blight.
I am a supporter of zoning in SL. Yes, on the mainland. If this is trying to be a semi-emulation of life, why not zone and have zoning boards that could grant variances if needed? It would be a lot easier in SL than RL! lol (i am an architect, btw). If no one cares to object to a variance request, it is granted... But if someone want to subdivide their property to include sign farm parcels in a residential area, the neighbors should have the right to object and stop it. Okay, I'm done.
Limits and rules are not categorically bad, they protect the rights of those who have an investment in the system. I don't think the Lindens have given us enough tools to protect our sometimes substantial investments.
Good day all, Happy New Year...
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Karen Palen
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12-31-2007 11:12
From: Tobias Convair
I am a supporter of zoning in SL. Yes, on the mainland. If this is trying to be a semi-emulation of life, why not zone and have zoning boards that could grant variances if needed? It would be a lot easier in SL than RL! lol (i am an architect, btw). If no one cares to object to a variance request, it is granted... But if someone want to subdivide their property to include sign farm parcels in a residential area, the neighbors should have the right to object and stop it. Okay, I'm done.
Limits and rules are not categorically bad, they protect the rights of those who have an investment in the system. I don't think the Lindens have given us enough tools to protect our sometimes substantial investments.
You probably recall the exact same flap when zoning was first imposed on landowners in real life then. There is some sort of delusion that people are going to be more civilized on Second Life or something. In fact about the only difference is that you have a far wider range of cultures and cultural assumptions on SL, thus you tend to get some really wierd conflicts arising. The best example of that I know of is Singapore, which has become a crossroads of cultures from all over. As a result they have had to enact some really strange laws - like a $100 fine for peeing in an elevator! It seems that some people who have moved to Singapore simply assumed that this was quite acceptable and an actual law was the only way to stop the behavior! |
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Rebecca Proudhon
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12-31-2007 20:10
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Jezabell Barbosa
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01-01-2008 05:20
I have a devil, he basically does the same thing.
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Karen Palen
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01-01-2008 11:17
"It is as a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury signifying nothing" |
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Karen Palen
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01-01-2008 11:53
From: Jezabell Barbosa I have a devil, he basically does the same thing. I Understand that if you take your meds the devils don't bother you any more |
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Lizz Silverstar
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01-01-2008 12:20
From: Sling Trebuchet I get the impression that people mention the camera abilities simply in order to poke sharp sticks at the Private Property dinosaurs  I think that if you were to go through the many threads on this topic, you would find that the foamiest mouths belong to those who are completely anal about a RL concept of 'private property'. I've been in SL for nearly a year now. I've had builds in a number of places, one of them just up a Linden paved from a noted noob magnet. I've only been very occasionally irritated by someone poking around rudely. Ban/Eject/Ignore/Forget worked very nicely thank you, and I've only had to it twice in a year. I accept that there are people in SL who come from areas of RL that make them feel permanently threatened by 'something'. It's a pity that some people have a RL that sucks so bad that they can't escape from it in SL. However, the ones that 'foam at the mouth' about their security being able to orbit or TP home someone who happens to wander over or near a boundary are tragic. They need psychological counselling in RL. Their unhappiness and stress are coming mainly from within themselves. Actually I have found you to be one of the more rabid "foam at the mouth" types over your "right" to go whereever you want when you want to.. You don't seem to have any concept of private property in your vocabulary.. I have security devices on all my properties except for my public garden.. This is due to the rather large number of people like you that seem to feel that my house is your house. And that you should be able to use it as you please.. And I am not talking about wayward newbies.. After finding that an escort was using my house for her clients, being told to leave my own house so that a couple could have sex in MY bed! Having people come right into my bedroom to watch my love and I in an intimate moement.. So yes I have security systems.. By the way.. I have added you to the black list on all my properties just so you get those nasty ban lines that you so love to hate.. *smiles* |
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Trep Cosmo
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01-01-2008 17:53
After skimming through this post (it started okay, but the trolling turned me off), I think it's time for me to return to the mainland.
Send me SLURLs to your builds people! I want to see what's happening around the mainland! Heck, send me SLURLs to other peoples builds too! I'll fight the banlines, security bots, and bees to blog these things once more!
Exploring does still happen. There's just not many of us left doing it. I don't have the processing power to do vehicular exploration anymore, but that doesn't prevent me from avatar flying or walking.
I don't care what the trolls say, a lot of you are right about what made SL great in the past. Having people come see what you and your friends have built together and hearing how awesome it is.
Ah the good old days.
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Karen Palen
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01-01-2008 18:36
From: Trep Cosmo Ah the good old days. Morse code will NEVER die!!! BEST BENT WIRE! (Hint for the "great army of the unwashed" - send it in morse at 20+ wpm ) |
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bilbo99 Emu
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01-02-2008 02:38
From: Trep Cosmo
Send me SLURLs to your builds people! I want to see what's happening around the mainland! Heck, send me SLURLs to other peoples builds too!
Can I just wish this thread a Happy New Year? Trep, you are welcome to see my miniscule and largely unremarkable home in Yamma Yamma which is just slightly north of dead centre .. as opposed to the Forum Hangout which is slightly south of dead centre of Allana Why is it, I never remember to look up these Youtube links on my home machine? Grr!
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Karen Palen
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01-02-2008 09:51
From: bilbo99 Emu Can I just wish this thread a Happy New Year? And a Happy New Year to you too bilbo99! To everyone else on the thread too. Well except for the fools who disagree with me HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE!!!! |
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Egon Rothschild
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01-02-2008 11:51
From: bilbo99 Emu Can I just wish this thread a Happy New Year? happy new year to you too, bilbo! from your ex-neighbor. well, almost "ex". i still have a 1k plot next to reiko ... with a thermal pool on it. it's 17 degrees celsius here in rl today (and that withOUT wind chill) ... i just wish i could dive into that 
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Sling Trebuchet
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01-02-2008 12:16
From: Lizz Silverstar Actually I have found you to be one of the more rabid "foam at the mouth" types over your "right" to go whereever you want when you want to.. You don't seem to have any concept of private property in your vocabulary.. I have security devices on all my properties except for my public garden.. This is due to the rather large number of people like you that seem to feel that my house is your house. And that you should be able to use it as you please.. And I am not talking about wayward newbies.. After finding that an escort was using my house for her clients, being told to leave my own house so that a couple could have sex in MY bed! Having people come right into my bedroom to watch my love and I in an intimate moement.. So yes I have security systems..
By the way.. I have added you to the black list on all my properties just so you get those nasty ban lines that you so love to hate.. *smiles* Excellent!! If I am an extreme version (or even a vanilla version) of an intrusive mindset, then nobody has anything to worry about. Any security would be needless. If you've found me to even hinting that I though I had some "right" to go wherever I want, then either 1. You haven't actually read my posts properly, or 2. You have mistaken me for someone else Just for your benefit, I'll try in short easy words. Slow down. Take a few breaths. Sip a cup of soothing herbal tea. Concentrate on understanding. Don't rush. Read slowly. Mull over the words. Think. ONE: I have absolutely ZERO issues with anyone who wants to keep others out of their spaces. Read that again - s.l.o.o.o.o.w.l.y. It saves me from having to type it again. OK? Got it? I do not believe that anyone has the right to go anywhere they want. I have zero interest in going into people houses and using their stuff. TWO: My postings have been to do with the *methods* of keeping the unwelcome out. Only someone who is barely literate could be under any other impression but that I support the use of security bots that warn and eject if necessary. On more than one occasion, I have mentioned my lust for something like a bunch of Grannies with brooms shouting "Get off my lawn!". If you have not been able to determine that from my postings then the only charitable option is (2) above, because to qualify for (1) , you would have to be severely intellectually challenged to come up with your incredible interpretation of what I say. You can remove my name from your ban lists. You are in no danger. You never were. You're just wasting a space. ...... ...... I mean a "space in your ban list" ...... of course Learn to read.
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http://www.ace-exchange.com/home/story/BDVR/589
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