Absolutely brilliant solution to bots on your land

I just had to rave about this. One of my neighbors has a cool farm simulator parcel that is frequently bombarded by camping bots that, I think, are falling out of another neighboring parcel's overcrowded sky. I'm not sure of what exactly is happening, but they land in weird poses and get stuck there somehow.

Today I noticed the land was completely clear of bots, so I went over to admire his or her build. I was quickly set upon by a swarm of bees or hornets that gently pushed me back out of the land. If I moved around they didn't bother me much, but standing still cases them to push. Now this is just brilliant! A visitor can come and admire the build, but non-conscious camping bots get pushed out. This is far more attractive than ban lines, is less officious and rude than a security device that kicks you out, allows you to hike across the land if you're just passing through, and is entertaining even if you're on the receiving end. I can't praise the creator of this idea enough!

Got to have a question, so - are there other clever devices like this that are non-rude ways to patrol your land should you choose to exclude non-conscious avatars?

Thats sounds really cool!

Where is it at?

I wanna take a look-see.

there are some bots you can't push, i know my data bot won't be pushed by anything colliding it (it'snot a camping bot K?)

I wanna see too!
It sounds great.

I have them bees on my land as well, it is a far better solution to ban lines which I despise.
They can also be set to patrol a limited radius.

You can find them here for purchase: http://www.slexchange.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=item&ItemID=253428

You think trespassers should be told to leave gently? Slightly nudged maybe?

Speaking in general:

If you're in someones private property you should get whatever comes your way with what they have as security whether that means you're frozen, ejected and or kicked out rudely or otherwise. And you can't say anything about it because you didn't belong there in the first place.

If a security device warns you to leave or if you're ejected or you run into ban lines what does it mean? It means you don't belong there, the landowner doesn't want you there so whatever happens if you don't leave you deserve.

A mild mannered security system, wonder if it apologizes too.

Gotta get me some of those. "I want to be a beekeeper. I want to keep bees... My father was a beekeeper before me. His father was a beekeeper before him. I want to walk in their footsteps. And their footsteps were like this: 'AAAAAAAH! AAAAAAAH! I'm covered in bees!'"

Won't always work...in fact it'll barely work. Most camper bots simply sit, no movement required.


As for pushing, its pretty limited. I know lots of data and greeting bots that are anti push.

Since when is there such a thing as Privacy in SL?
The most private you can get is a Private access sim. At most one can hope people are understanding of other's privacy and know where to NOT poke their noses.

Ban lines? Nope! I can use camera controls to poke right through, going thru yer howz, touchin yur stuffz.

The most one can hope for is a Private Sim. Even camera controls can't pass through a Void Sim.

Yes.

You are certainly entitled to do whatever you wish on your land however.

I have tried occasionally to hike across the continents and found this to be nearly impossible because of all the ban lines and ejecting devices. This is why I was so thrilled with this new device. I'm sorry if the idea of not being rude offends anyone.

For those that wish to see the hornets in action, here's the coordinates to a corner of my plot. (I'm not selling anything there or working the traffic in any way.):

Marcell (123, 101, 76)

Sorry, I don't remember how to make an SURL. Look northeast and you'll see the amber waves of grain in the small farm parcel. Try to walk into it! I hope the owner doesn't mind my giving this info away, but it's cool.

Those bees will kill you if damage is enabled. You be careful out there.

It'd be helpful if it was smart, as well as polite. I've tried hiking across SL, and found it challenging because of hair-trigger security devices. In RL, we have paths, maps and fences to show us where we are and aren't allowed to wander. In SL, Mr X's bit of land might look identical to Ms Y's. A security device on a 20 second sweep can let you wander, unknowingly, a long was into a restricted area. When you might only be given 5 seconds to get out, it isn't always easy to know which way to run. On occasion, I've been TPd home with no warning at all.

Another hassle is the lack of zoning in most mainland areas. I've no big lust to intrude into anyone's ohhh-so-valuable pixel-privacy, but when a mansion can be built between a club and a mall, and look similar to both, it's easy to wander where you aren't invited.

Since always there have been relative degrees of privacy in SL as in RL. Remote shotgun mikes can pick up any sound in your RL house from outside, and infrared cameras can notice if your body temperature goes up a degree or two in your bedroom and give their owners a rough but pretty understandable image of what you're doing when that happens. Does that mean you have "no privacy" in RL? It seems like posting the word "privacy" here brings people out of the woodwork foaming at the mouth about their prowess with disabled camera controls and remote camming. Why are you folks so proud of your ability to be Peeping Toms? Does it really give you that much gratification? Or are you actually just shills for LL, peddling those nice, expensive private islands?

SL privacy can be improved considerably from what it is, and should be, and there are a number of JIRA proposals for doing just that. Everyone who would rather not accommodate Peeping Toms and other sickos in SL should vote for these proposals. Start with the meta-proposal that links all of them at http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-241, and vote for it and all the linked proposals that make sense to you.

And after you have done that, have a very Merry (and as Private as you want it to be) Christmas.

I like flying and I'd love it if there were more bees and fewer ban lines. Plus it's pretty cool.

Bees and wasps are two entirely different things, something the creator of the product apparently doesn't realise.

Just going back to the original question, if the sole purpose is just to get rid of bots overflowing from your land (and you aren't bothered about real people being there), using a script to popup a dialog for them asking them to press a button would do the trick. Anybody who doesn't, you could assume are a bot.

Perhaps combine it with the bees for the coolness factor

I get the impression that people mention the camera abilities simply in order to poke sharp sticks at the Private Property dinosaurs

I think that if you were to go through the many threads on this topic, you would find that the foamiest mouths belong to those who are completely anal about a RL concept of 'private property'.

I've been in SL for nearly a year now. I've had builds in a number of places, one of them just up a Linden paved from a noted noob magnet. I've only been very occasionally irritated by someone poking around rudely. Ban/Eject/Ignore/Forget worked very nicely thank you, and I've only had to it twice in a year.

I accept that there are people in SL who come from areas of RL that make them feel permanently threatened by 'something'.
It's a pity that some people have a RL that sucks so bad that they can't escape from it in SL.

However, the ones that 'foam at the mouth' about their security being able to orbit or TP home someone who happens to wander over or near a boundary are tragic. They need psychological counselling in RL. Their unhappiness and stress are coming mainly from within themselves.

To ask the completely idiotic question...How does one mute a "freebie bot"?

neighbor has one that shouts 24/7 that people need to get cheap fresh clothes on his 3rd floor. Frankly its driving us nuts when working on our land and I cant figure out what person/object to mute (ok or how haveing never muted anyone or anything in years)

If the shouting text is in green it's an object, if it's white it's an avatar. If it's an object, you can 'mute object' (if i remember correctly) by going into the mute list and select 'mute object'. Or you could 'mute by name'.

There used to be a way to do it from within the chat history window but I can't find that any more.

You could also ask the neighbor to change it to say or whisper, and optionally AR them for harrassment if they refuse.

-Atashi

This reply made me laugh

Har, i think you are missing the point.
Kelli might for instance want to get from her plot to her friends two plots away but blocked by a line of a dozen ban-lined homes including yours.
I on the other hand, can stand outside your boundary, disable cam constraints and zoom right through your property, inspecting everything and everyone.
Whom, do you think, your banlines are inconveniencing?

Now I know the whole privacy issue in SL is a can of worms and yes, there should be better provision and I know as an owner of a plot you are able to do what you like ... but for an online community a little more toleration wouldn't hurt.

Entomological nit-picking! Thanks, Osprey. You've made my Friday.

I like the swarm of insects sort of idea

What would be really kewl would be a sort of cartoon effect where the insects swarm into an animated shape - like an arrow pointing the fastest way out, a missile or a Rambo.

Why be rude? Just because you can? Politeness costs nothing.
Why not do it in a funny way?

Why should a security bot have to behave as if every unknown avatar moving through is OMG WE HAVE A SECURITY SITUATION!!!!!!!!!! That is sooooo unimaginative and sad.
Bring on the wise-cracking bots I say.



Bilbo's point "Whom, do you think, your banlines are inconveniencing?" is on the nail.
It's a bit like IDV - a 'solution' that mostly inconveniences people that it's not aimed at.

A good point well made. Tolerance is essential in a world where complete privacy is more of a concept than reality.

I personally find these bees/wasps/hornets whatever a very good idea. They sound great! I would love to see them. I'll see if I can go find some....

And as for the whole ban line debate, I just find them funny. I tend to fly or TP so I don't really explore much on the ground until I get to my destination. So when I crash into a ban line and my av does some sort of wierd contortionist trick i think it is hilariously funny. I turn into a pretzel!
I have never encountered a security orb so i don't have any comment on those.

That was my point, kind-of. Generally I've no wish to walk across private property, but often the first warning I get that I'm doing something wrong is a series of blue box warnings and that swirly TP feeling. Or the chance to test out my skydiving abilities. In particularly bad areas you can get bounced from one orb's area of effect to another (hmmm, anyone for creating a new sport based on this?).
Something I forgot to say: If one isn't at home, what exactly is any security device protecting? As Tod69 posted, it's possible to look at and effectively touch everything, regardless. Nothing can be stolen, or vandalised (if you take elementary precautions). Why not switch security off when you're out, and cut down the script load?