Is This Reasonable?
|
|
Lexxi Gynoid
#'s 86000, 97800
Join date: 6 Aug 2007
Posts: 3,732
|
08-30-2007 11:14
From: Avion Raymaker And in the hundreds of stores I've visited, I think I've found an owner actually there maybe 3 or 4 times. Yes, I was very shocked when I realized the lion I was talking with last night was actually the builder of the great place I was in. Though I have stumbled across one clothing designer several times when I've gone to her store.
_____________________
Her Royal Highness Buttercup Meow the XXI
|
|
Sensual Casanova
Spoiled Brat
Join date: 28 Feb 2004
Posts: 4,807
|
08-30-2007 11:15
Thats ridiculous and I don't blame you, had she done it to me, or someone I knew... I wouldn't return to her store ever again. If she is getting "scammed" by people in busy mode, she should investigate it further, while in busy mode, the item goes into their trash folder, they can get it out of there, she doesn't have to replace each one...
|
|
Sensual Casanova
Spoiled Brat
Join date: 28 Feb 2004
Posts: 4,807
|
08-30-2007 11:18
From: Jillian Callahan The busy mode thing has had an effect on me, too. Getting IMs with threats of lawsuits isn't very fun. (Well, ok, that one was a little funny.  ) But my reaction was to make my vendors check to see if the person was in busy mode, and if they were, to give their money back and make a sound of synthesized speech, telling them they are in busy mode so nothing could be delivered. Seems a softer approach than ejecting folks, que no? =^.^= Ooo thats would be a lovely vendor script to have... although I personally got rid of vendors, and sell from boxes now... and I can't imagine the script load to put one of those in each box... eek!
|
|
Oryx Tempel
Registered User
Join date: 8 Nov 2006
Posts: 7,663
|
08-30-2007 11:22
From: Sensual Casanova Ooo thats would be a lovely vendor script to have... although I personally got rid of vendors, and sell from boxes now... and I can't imagine the script load to put one of those in each box... eek! That IS an excellent idea. Maybe I'll play with my vendor scripts this weekend... no garantees but if I can get it to work, I'll make it a freebie.
|
|
Sensual Casanova
Spoiled Brat
Join date: 28 Feb 2004
Posts: 4,807
|
08-30-2007 11:28
Alright, I just tested and verified again, had a friend pass me something while in busy mode... it will display a message saying I declined it, but when I go to my trash... there it is  So if anyone tells you they didn't get something because they were in busy mode, make sure they check their trash 
|
|
Trout Recreant
Public Enemy No. 1
Join date: 24 Jul 2007
Posts: 4,873
|
08-30-2007 11:32
From: Avion Raymaker Wow, is all that even physically possible for a merchant who has high traffic and sales? (I realize the 1st part could be automated)
And in the hundreds of stores I've visited, I think I've found an owner actually there maybe 3 or 4 times. If the owner is not there, it doesn't matter, since he or she wouldn't eject you. If the owner has time to see that someone is in busy mode and eject, then the owner has time to take a different approach. The second part would, admittedly work better for someone who is not swamped with other customers. I admit that I'm a bit of a newb, but do shops really get so busy that the owner, standing in the middle of the shop, can't take time to head off a potential problem with a polite message? The few times I've been in a shop when the owner was there, the owner greeted me and was very polite. I bought something each time based as much on the contact with the owner as on the product.
_____________________
From: Jerboa Haystack A Trout Rating (tm) is something to cherish. To flaunt and be proud of. It is something all women should aspire to obtain!
|
|
Angelique LaFollette
Registered User
Join date: 17 Jun 2004
Posts: 1,595
|
08-30-2007 11:33
You DO still receive IMs in Busy Mode, there was nothing stopping her from Addressing you FIRST. I beleive you Did Over react a Little, I Probably would have Handled it Differently Myself, but Given the store owners attitudes I don't think Your attitudes were Completely Unjustifiable.
When she Invited you back, albiet Grudgingly, I would simply have Politely declined, and taken my Custom elsewhere.
In the end the Only one who suffers from her Poor Customer service skills is her.
Angel.
|
|
Katarine Daviau
(Busy)
Join date: 12 Jun 2007
Posts: 10
|
08-30-2007 12:59
From: Angelique LaFollette
When she Invited you back, albiet Grudgingly, I would simply have Politely declined, and taken my Custom elsewhere.
A little more detail: When she invited me back, my response was perhaps mildly snippy...something along the lines of, "I don't think so. You've judged me based on other people's actions." Then, because I'd been planning to do so after I looked at her shop anyway, I logged off. I subsequently received an offline from her saying that she was judging me based on my actions, since I was the one who had come into her shop in Busy mode. And then another, mocking something I have in my profile. I responded that she'd automatically assumed I was clueless about the issues with Busy mode purchases, just because other people had been in the past, and punished me for it. Additionally, I told her I found that irritating and not a particularly good way to garner new customers. She THEN claimed to be protecting her business by ejecting me, called me immature and disrespectful - I assume for not just accepting her peculiar explanation and being grateful that she deigned to let me back in - and told me I was banned and muted. I did respond once more, but she may have already muted me. Basically, I told her she'd done nothing to earn my respect and the fact that she'd kicked me out of her store for no good reason and then tried to make it MY fault showed who the immature one actually was. I was pretty cranky by that point, as well as still confused by the whole thing and a little hurt by the unnecessary profile comment. I then posted here to make sure I wasn't insane for thinking I'd been treated unfairly. End of story.
|
|
Avion Raymaker
Palacio del Emperador!
Join date: 18 Jun 2007
Posts: 980
|
08-30-2007 14:57
From: Trout Recreant The few times I've been in a shop when the owner was there, the owner greeted me and was very polite. I bought something each time based as much on the contact with the owner as on the product.
I think I'm 10 times more likely to buy something if the owner is there, if nothing else as a sign of encouragement to someone who is involved and interacting with the rest of us, and not just milking SL for money.
|
|
Ricardo Harris
Registered User
Join date: 1 Apr 2006
Posts: 1,944
|
08-30-2007 18:54
This is the way most shop owners are and behave. They swear they're the elite of sl and everyone else who goes into their shops are beneath them. You should of orbit her ass real quick, I know I would of without hesitation as I don't really like many of them anyway cause I know they way most are.
|
|
Ann Launay
Neko-licious™
Join date: 8 Aug 2006
Posts: 7,893
|
08-30-2007 19:55
From: Ricardo Harris This is the way most shop owners are and behave. They swear they're the elite of sl and everyone else who goes into their shops are beneath them. You should of orbit her ass real quick, I know I would of without hesitation as I don't really like many of them anyway cause I know they way most are. Not true. Virtually all of the shop owners I've met have been very polite and helpful...one even gave me several thousand Lindens worth of skins for free because she read somewhere that I owned a ridiculous number of them already. I didn't ask, she just took it upon herself to do so. And don't go advising people to pull sh*t like orbiting anyone who annoys them; that will likely only add insult to injury by getting them suspended.
_____________________
~Now Trout Re-Re-Re-Certified!~ From: someone I am bumping you to an 8.5 on the Official Trout Measuring Instrument of Sluttiness. You are an enigma - on the one hand a sweet, gentle, intelligent woman who we would like to wrap up in our arms and protect, and on the other, a temptress to whom we would like to do all sorts of unmentionable things.
Congratulations and shame on you! You are a bit of a slut.
|
|
Elinah Iredell
Registered User
Join date: 14 Aug 2006
Posts: 269
|
08-30-2007 22:02
From: Alicia Sautereau creating a texture wich says "Items not deliverd while in busy mode!" at the entrance would be abit more friendly Why didn't she think of that ? Lol Elinah
|
|
Roxi Bingyi
SL Music Association
Join date: 25 May 2007
Posts: 27
|
Roxi Bingyi
08-30-2007 22:41
I treat SL shops just like RL. If the seller is rude, they won't get my business. There's a million of her competitors right around the bend. Just stay away from her store, and tell your friends to stay away too.
|
|
Sally Silvera
live music maniac
Join date: 17 Feb 2007
Posts: 2,325
|
08-31-2007 00:02
From: Ann Launay Not true. Virtually all of the shop owners I've met have been very polite and helpful...one even gave me several thousand Lindens worth of skins for free because she read somewhere that I owned a ridiculous number of them already. I didn't ask, she just took it upon herself to do so. And don't go advising people to pull sh*t like orbiting anyone who annoys them; that will likely only add insult to injury by getting them suspended. Agree. I was at a shop once when i pointed out to the owner that one of the vendors wasn't working. She made sure i got the shoes i wanted anyway and threw in another pair for pointing it out. Mostly positive shopping experienced here. Plus i would not advise anyone to just blast people because they annoy you. True the OP was treated poorly, but an eye for an eye? Not for me thanks.
|
|
bilbo99 Emu
Garrett's No.1 fan
Join date: 27 Oct 2006
Posts: 3,468
|
08-31-2007 00:43
From: Trout Recreant The few times I've been in a shop when the owner was there, the owner greeted me and was very polite. I bought something each time based as much on the contact with the owner as on the product.
That works for me too. In fact I can think of a sweater shop in Meeting Support where out of four visits I've made I've met the owner three times. Now *that's* customer support!! Ricardo's suggestion of orbiting the OP's aggressor is OTT and antisocial. There too much of this kind of reaction in SL 
_____________________
Be polite .. that newbie could be your next ex-partner.
|
|
Denise Bonetto
Registered User
Join date: 31 Jan 2007
Posts: 705
|
08-31-2007 01:18
From: Avion Raymaker I think I'm 10 times more likely to buy something if the owner is there, if nothing else as a sign of encouragement to someone who is involved and interacting with the rest of us, and not just milking SL for money. I have found that people often run away if I am in my shop and say hi, more likely to sell if I am not there. Maybe I am scary  If a customer came in with busy mode, I wouldn't even message them as surely that's being a bit too sure they are also going to buy? People can be looking and often come back later to buy, or it just might not be what they are looking for. All my items are copy so if they have problems I just send a replacement based on the transaction history.
|
|
Beezle Warburton
=o.O=
Join date: 10 Nov 2006
Posts: 1,169
|
08-31-2007 01:28
From: Avion Raymaker I think I'm 10 times more likely to buy something if the owner is there, if nothing else as a sign of encouragement to someone who is involved and interacting with the rest of us, and not just milking SL for money. But that would spoil the carefully planned out atmosphere of neglect and abandonment at my shop. 
_____________________
Though this be madness, yet there is method in't. -- William Shakespeare Warburton's Whimsies: In SLApez.biz
|
|
FD Spark
Prim & Texture Doodler
Join date: 30 Oct 2006
Posts: 4,697
|
08-31-2007 01:47
I personally had enough experiences that make me very reluntant and extremely careful when and where I buy things. I have seldomly went off on anyone here but I understand sometimes things happen. There some people who just dislike anyone in busy mode period, including Sim owners they consider it spamming. I don't get it but because often people use busy mode to prevent spam.
|
|
Lexxi Gynoid
#'s 86000, 97800
Join date: 6 Aug 2007
Posts: 3,732
|
08-31-2007 06:53
From: Denise Bonetto I have found that people often run away if I am in my shop and say hi, more likely to sell if I am not there. Maybe I am scary  If a customer came in with busy mode, I wouldn't even message them as surely that's being a bit too sure they are also going to buy? People can be looking and often come back later to buy, or it just might not be what they are looking for. All my items are copy so if they have problems I just send a replacement based on the transaction history. Ah yes . .. I've been in a shop and suddenly realized the person nearby was the owner . . .I felt very self-conscious . .. do they think I'm judging their work . .. finding it wanting or perfect . .. are they staring at what I'm wearing . . . are they laughing to themselves as they see this bumpkin staring slack-jawed at their products? . . .. yes, I really have these thoughts . .doesn't matter what the avatar looks like . .. I seem to end up overthinking the situation and not looking at the products . .. and afraid . .. sorry
_____________________
Her Royal Highness Buttercup Meow the XXI
|
|
Ann Launay
Neko-licious™
Join date: 8 Aug 2006
Posts: 7,893
|
08-31-2007 08:10
That happens to me too. ^^I worry that I'll hurt their feelings if I decide not to buy something, that they'll take it as a criticism of their work. Mostly in small shops, though...I figure the biggies have enough business, they're not going to worry about one person who doesn't see anything they want.
_____________________
~Now Trout Re-Re-Re-Certified!~ From: someone I am bumping you to an 8.5 on the Official Trout Measuring Instrument of Sluttiness. You are an enigma - on the one hand a sweet, gentle, intelligent woman who we would like to wrap up in our arms and protect, and on the other, a temptress to whom we would like to do all sorts of unmentionable things.
Congratulations and shame on you! You are a bit of a slut.
|
|
Finora Kuncoro
Impish Stoic
Join date: 11 Dec 2006
Posts: 213
|
08-31-2007 09:26
From: Ann Launay That happens to me too. ^^I worry that I'll hurt their feelings if I decide not to buy something, that they'll take it as a criticism of their work. Mostly in small shops, though...I figure the biggies have enough business, they're not going to worry about one person who doesn't see anything they want. Oh gosh I know exactly what you mean. I have exactly the same feelings when I am shopping and I see the owner. Which is why I tend to disappear if I am in my little shop and a customer appears. I don't want them to feel like they are under scrutiny. I figure if they have a problem they can always send me an IM.
_____________________
<Now fully Trout Certified> I give you a solid 8.2. You can come across as very pure if you want to, but inside, you're a dirty, dirty girl. Shame on you, and congratulations.
Designer of clothes and owner of Built For Sin Designs. Come visit us at: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Centaur/5/85/399/
|
|
Oryx Tempel
Registered User
Join date: 8 Nov 2006
Posts: 7,663
|
08-31-2007 09:26
From: Lexxi Gynoid Ah yes . .. I've been in a shop and suddenly realized the person nearby was the owner . . .I felt very self-conscious . .. do they think I'm judging their work . .. finding it wanting or perfect . .. are they staring at what I'm wearing . . . are they laughing to themselves as they see this bumpkin staring slack-jawed at their products? . . .. yes, I really have these thoughts . .doesn't matter what the avatar looks like . .. I seem to end up overthinking the situation and not looking at the products . .. and afraid . .. sorry Pish! If I'm working in my shop and someone comes and stands around and looks at stuff, I figure they're just browsing. I do it all the time at other shops. Maybe they will buy later, maybe they won't. No biggie. I do try to be helpful, though, and I'll ask if someone has questions. Mostly, I'll just finish what I'm doing and walk quietly away so as not to disturb the customer. And re: this shop owner being rude because a customer was on BUSY??? Hello, that's just insane. Who CARES if the customer's on busy mode? I'm sure she had a very good reason for being busy. Maybe her "busy" mode is her serious "I'm just shopping really hard" mode. It's incredibly rude and pretentious of the shop owner to pass judgement on what her customer is doing. Hell, my customers can walk around naked on all fours as long as they're not actively bothering other people.
|
|
Denise Bonetto
Registered User
Join date: 31 Jan 2007
Posts: 705
|
08-31-2007 09:26
From: Lexxi Gynoid Ah yes . .. I've been in a shop and suddenly realized the person nearby was the owner . . .I felt very self-conscious . .. do they think I'm judging their work . .. finding it wanting or perfect . .. are they staring at what I'm wearing . . . are they laughing to themselves as they see this bumpkin staring slack-jawed at their products? . . .. yes, I really have these thoughts . .doesn't matter what the avatar looks like . .. I seem to end up overthinking the situation and not looking at the products . .. and afraid . .. sorry The store owner could be stood there just as nervous. Is the customer stood there thinking how rubbish my items are, are they laughing at it all? Hoping you like what you see etc I must confess that unless I get caught unawares and a customer creeps up on me without me noticing they have arrived, I do tend to run away now to give them the space to have a good look around without worrying I am watching. It's not being rude or not wanting to speak to my customers, it just seems they would prefer to feel free to look without me there. There are times when a customer is very chatty and that's nice, most of my friends list is full of ex customers I got to know via them wanting information or help with items.
|
|
Katarine Daviau
(Busy)
Join date: 12 Jun 2007
Posts: 10
|
08-31-2007 09:54
From: Oryx Tempel Who CARES if the customer's on busy mode? I'm sure she had a very good reason for being busy. Some guys were following me around the last place I'd visited. I told them as politely as I could that I was shopping and not really interested in socializing, but that didn't work...once I put myself in Busy mode and walked away, they seemed to take the hint. If she'd given me a minute, I would have canceled it but, as I mentioned, I wasn't even in the store long enough for anything to rez. As for the person who suggested orbiting...I would never sink to that level.
|
|
Ann Launay
Neko-licious™
Join date: 8 Aug 2006
Posts: 7,893
|
08-31-2007 13:46
From: Oryx Tempel Maybe her "busy" mode is her serious "I'm just shopping really hard" mode. I do that. 
_____________________
~Now Trout Re-Re-Re-Certified!~ From: someone I am bumping you to an 8.5 on the Official Trout Measuring Instrument of Sluttiness. You are an enigma - on the one hand a sweet, gentle, intelligent woman who we would like to wrap up in our arms and protect, and on the other, a temptress to whom we would like to do all sorts of unmentionable things.
Congratulations and shame on you! You are a bit of a slut.
|