Who should we report this to?
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Nina Stepford
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08-28-2008 10:55
because this is yet another thread that has been moderated. if i am not to discuss the moderation of my post here then where should i discuss it?
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Oryx Tempel
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08-28-2008 11:20
From: Nina Stepford because this is yet another thread that has been moderated. if i am not to discuss the moderation of my post here then where should i discuss it? I wasn't addressing you Nina. I was saying that it's sad that the topic has arisen yet again, in yet another thread... which should tell the Lindens something.
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Nina Stepford
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08-28-2008 11:23
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sable Valentine
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You have to do your research
08-28-2008 12:39
When the first land program was still active, I took the advice of a very good friend of mine. He said sable, don't jump at the first "great" deal you see. Do your research, ask questions and so on. I heeded his advise, shooed away what I didn't know at the time was a bot trying to get me to sell. When I sold it for a nice profit, I started looking for rentals till I found something more permanent. Again, I heeded his advice, found a wonderful landlord. When it was time to look at a permanent place to stay, I visited the area I was interested in several times, looked at the surrounding areas to see what they looked like to ensure it was the type of community I wanted to live in. I did not purchase that lot as I had a bad feeling about it. Another friend told me about land available in Manila City. Again, I applied the same principles and spoke with established residents and moved. After 1 1/2 years, I am still a resident of her sims and through her opted up for an openspace sim (I hate the term void). Even though I have very established relationship and confidence in her in what she told me about them, I still did my research on them and continue to do so.
Any "major" purchase no different than comparing washing machines in rl, you have to do your research. Taking just the time and a few extra steps will save one a lot of time and steps in the end. I have never been slighted, short changed or cheated out of any land deals. Yes, there scammers - no different than irl. Good thing they don't sell used cars here.
I am glad the owner, manager and their tenant of Enchanted Isle brought their thoughts and side of the story to this thread. I am not here to pass judgement because I was not there. However, if one is going to launch a complaint, they should also state what their actions were. Spamming group chat is a bad thing regardless of the situation.
DO YOUR RESEARCH! It's not a guarantee that you won't be swindled, however it will minimize the likelihood.
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Lord Sullivan
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08-28-2008 15:48
From: ArchTx Edo I strongly disagree that this is trolling, how absurd. If Linden Lab would take some responsibility for eliminating the crooks in SL then the community would not have to stoop to measures such as these to battle the scammers. LL has created a world where crooks thrive and then LL punishes the victims when they try to defend themselves. Replied to bump the thread as its an issue that needs addressing and while we have your attention Katt  I will add my agreement to this one since i have been here, i have seen very little in the way of real action from LL when scammers rip people off in game. I was ripped off once in game not for much only L$20000 but LL did absolutely nothing about it and in fact the scam continued until i made sure people knew what was going on and the scammer stopped. Its about time LL stepped up to the plate and started to punish those that rip others off ( and i am NOT referring to this incident mind ) we pay real USD for the use of this play money they call L$'s which i can then exchange again for real USD so maybe LL needs to start taking responsibility and act against people that scam in game instead of letting them cash out there scam money!! Or SL is going to become known as the place you can scam people until your hearts content and not be punished, heck i can see people just creating accounts to scam because its better and safer than robbing people in the street as you wont get punished Just my 2 cents 
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Alicia Sautereau
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08-28-2008 16:26
seeing the other side, i`m with management & owners
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Tegg Bode
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08-29-2008 01:04
From: MadameSynnful Mureaux Amazing that this game which tries to simulate RL so much, allows someone to steal and scam another individual out of $40 USA dollars. Well yet another advantage to having unlimited unverfied free accounts that so many seem to want to protect their own anomominity
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Tegg Bode
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08-29-2008 01:08
From: Judith Finesmith With many people entering their first rental purchase or land purchase, its near impossible to get homework done on anything/everyone, especially with all the people playing.
LL should protect the players. They want to make this like real life. If this was rl and someone stole 10400$ from me (not linden $, but lets pretend US $), they would be in major trouble, or dead.
People like the two involved in this scam should be weeded out, to IMPROVE the SL community. In Real Life you wouldn't mail $10k to someone on a small island taxhaven to rent a block of land in another country without seeing any identification other than a his name written on a piece of paper.
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08-29-2008 01:12
From: Ricardo Harris It's the lovely folks of Secondlife. Don't let the door hit your bum on the way out mate, we won't miss you...........
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Imogen Saltair
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08-29-2008 02:09
From: ArchTx Edo I strongly disagree that this is trolling, how absurd. If Linden Lab would take some responsibility for eliminating the crooks in SL then the community would not have to stoop to measures such as these to battle the scammers. LL has created a world where crooks thrive and then LL punishes the victims when they try to defend themselves. No, I disagree... Crooks thrive because there is a sucker born every minute. imogen
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Lord Sullivan
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08-29-2008 04:13
From: Imogen Saltair No, I disagree... Crooks thrive because there is a sucker born every minute.
imogen Agreed but LL makes it all to easy for the crooks to survive here as there is no crackdown on them 
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Imogen Saltair
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08-29-2008 04:36
From: Lord Sullivan Agreed but LL makes it all to easy for the crooks to survive here as there is no crackdown on them  You are right, but I have to agree also with a previous poster who said that LL cannot set up as an arbiter for resident to resident disputes... it would be just impossible with their already limited resources. I also agree with another poster who bumped this thread in the hope that further tools could be built into the system of renting so that this sort of dispute, which is so very common, could be avoided. I do wish that there was something on the menus when a new and inexperienced resident wants to 'buy' private estate land that warns them they are not buying anything, but renting. Good landlords make this clear in the covenant, but some folks just don't read carefully and end up feeling hard done by, even though everything was fully explained, in many cases, in the covenant. In order to cover everything, covenants tend to get rather long... Desmond Shang, in his covenant, makes it very clear that there are NO refunds... and that you are just renting, not buying. He advises you not to put too much in the rent box if you are not sure about staying long, and in facts limits the amount on the meter to 12 weeks, which should be enough for anyone to cover holidays and so on. When i managed a rental business my covenant made it very clear there were no refunds, and explained why... I could simply not cover the possible drain on my account if several customers were going to leave at the same time.. I would discuss refunds, if there was a legitimate complaint about something I did which made them unhappy, but I advised them not to put too much in if they weren't sure. The rental box printed on your screen clearly in bright green "READ THE COVENANT - NO REFUNDS" Thats all you can do. Putting 10k in for a year's rental is just putting too much faith in the hope that SL will be here next year, next month even! Not to mention the hope the Parcel will still be here! imogen
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Lord Sullivan
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08-29-2008 06:25
From: Imogen Saltair You are right, but I have to agree also with a previous poster who said that LL cannot set up as an arbiter for resident to resident disputes... it would be just impossible with their already limited resources.
I also agree with another poster who bumped this thread in the hope that further tools could be built into the system of renting so that this sort of dispute, which is so very common, could be avoided.
I do wish that there was something on the menus when a new and inexperienced resident wants to 'buy' private estate land that warns them they are not buying anything, but renting. Good landlords make this clear in the covenant, but some folks just don't read carefully and end up feeling hard done by, even though everything was fully explained, in many cases, in the covenant. In order to cover everything, covenants tend to get rather long...
Desmond Shang, in his covenant, makes it very clear that there are NO refunds... and that you are just renting, not buying. He advises you not to put too much in the rent box if you are not sure about staying long, and in facts limits the amount on the meter to 12 weeks, which should be enough for anyone to cover holidays and so on.
When i managed a rental business my covenant made it very clear there were no refunds, and explained why... I could simply not cover the possible drain on my account if several customers were going to leave at the same time.. I would discuss refunds, if there was a legitimate complaint about something I did which made them unhappy, but I advised them not to put too much in if they weren't sure. The rental box printed on your screen clearly in bright green "READ THE COVENANT - NO REFUNDS" Thats all you can do.
Putting 10k in for a year's rental is just putting too much faith in the hope that SL will be here next year, next month even! Not to mention the hope the Parcel will still be here!
imogen On the land issues i totally agree with you  I was just commenting on the way LL generally handles the scammers here i was not referring to the many upright and honest landlords here of which there are more good than bad ones. I shouldn't have jumped on the hijacked thread but as Katt was commenting it would have been nice to have got a reply about the way scammers get away scot free here 
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