Solutions Against Junkyards

Indeed. Every one of those restrictions would hinder legitimate design decisions by the parcel owner that may actually be attractive and appropriate.

which is why we have giant prim walls.

Yeah and that's why we all crash into them when we fly and that's why we all look like we reside in jail.

Why buy land if you need to wall yourself in?

Except ski-ing through revolving doors.

That's why I rent (not buy... RENT) land for my home and shop. I know and trust the owners of the sims I rent from, so I have no issues at all. I can provide a recommendation to you for land rental if you are looking for a trustworthly landlord and reasonable rental rates.

..... and flying an air balloon across a sim line.

Gotta try that *scampers off*

No need for that, I have my own

why not? it's my land to do with wut i please. if i want to wall myself in and lock you out, thankfully i have that option.

Wouldn't it be nicer if you didn't have to do that? I guess you have a reason for walling yourself in. I guess the view isn't very nice.

What bugs me are the parcels that people buy, put ban lines up, then don't use... there are several in my home sim... maybe one or two plywood boxes on the ground.. no other objects... ban lines.

Why?

How can you love mainland, without embracing the chaos and craziness that it brings?

I was at a friend's place on the southern continent recently, she TP'ed me into her skybox. My draw distance was set at 512 and I'd forgotten to change it.

It was amazing, exciting, and even beautiful, to look around and see the wildly eclectic variety of builds that surrounded us in every direction. It gave me a feeling of energy and joy, to see the enthusiasm of all those avatars out there, each practicing their own version of 'your world, your imagination'. From the grey castle to the asian villa to the plywood house to the rotating pink who-knows-what, and everything in between.

It made me (briefly) sorry that I'd just sold my little mainland plot.

Buy yourself an island (or rent a bit of land on an island) for the times when you need some controlled aesthetics around you. Or, as others have suggested, turn down your draw distance and build some large walls with pretty textures.

Otherwise - and this is just my opinion - love the mainland, for what it is. Your world, Your imagination -- but your world only extends as far as your parcel borders. Then it becomes Your neighbor's world, your neighbor's imagination.

-Atashi

I'd gladly buy an island if there were smaller ones to buy. I don't really want a full sim to handle, not now anyway.

I can just say that I don't agree with a single word you're saying here.

I was going to quote Burnman here but your reply will do.
Yes, mainland changes, mebbe not always for the better but you can usually expect it to change again anyway. When Egon helped my establish Bagg End, we had a minor fly in the ointment with a neighbour with a treehouse that quite literally eclipsed the setting sun. We raised a collective cheer when said owner moved and new owner put up something much lower in height. It wasn't a particularly ugly treehouse. It might have been their pride and joy. It might have been their dream home. I hope they enjoyed it. I really hope they didn't give up in disgust at SL and leave, I really do. No, it was only that it was in the way of the sun.
Life's a compromise. Some junkyards can be fun. When I first bought land, someone nearby literally put in a mobile home, some corrugated steel fencing and a rusty burned out car. It mad me laugh out loud really!
A lot of us come to SL for the anarchy. To get away from people who tell us what we can and cannot do. You want a nice little island out of sight of the neighbours? fine. we're not stopping you.

As long as you like it and are willing to invest in it it's fine for you. Mainland is almost impossible to sell so it's a waste of money, I think. But as I said in my first post, I still think it should be possible for those of you who like it to still have that type of land zone to buy and put whatever you like on it. If I accept your type of wants and needs when it comes to land, why can't you accept mine? Do you want to prevent me from buying and building on the type of land I'd like or force me to buy a whole island of 16 acres in size. Fair? No, there just gotta be a new type of land too in the future, preferably smaller islands with lots of space between them. I don't have to like the scattered junk or the ad farms on the mainland at all.

Not even the bit about your neighbor's world and imagination starting at their borders?



-Atashi

Not true at all - I sold 512m of mainland last week, it took 30 seconds. I just set it for L$0.1 lower than the going rate, and *pow* someone TPed in and bought it while I sat and watched.


But it is - it's called a private estate. They're all over the place. I guess I just don't get what you're saying. You like the mainland but you don't like how it looks. You don't want to live on an estate, but you want to have zoned land. I guess it sounds like you want a private estate with some zoning, but where the estate owner is Linden Lab?

-Atashi

Exactly, I want the estate owner to be LL as buying estate land today is exactly the same as renting, which I would never do.

Buying Mainland is the same as renting, too.

No, you buy the right to use the land as long as it and LL excists and as long as LL doesn't kick you out which is totally different from buying estate land which is owned by another resident that can suddenly leave and abandon the land and then you lose all rights and money you wasted. And just the feeling of not owning yourself but from another resident is just out of the question for me. I'll always only own things myself, whatever it is, that's the way I am.

I have to say I do not like the idea of turning each parcel into an island, technical solutions to social problems are almost always a bad idea. Also, restricting freedom in the way you suggest would hamper good builders just as much as bad ones.

The only real problem with mainland is the ad cutters. If they could make those go away, mainland would look fine.

I dunno. Basically it seems like-

Buying mainland = Renting from LL

Buying covenant land = Renting from someone else who is renting from LL.

So buy an island, make your rules, and put your world and imagination into practice. That's why LL sell islands, isn't it?

My impression is LL wants to have less direct involvement with SL, not more. They probably have their hands full managing the no-zone mainland, without having to worry about looking after a mainland that had zoning rules.

-Atashi

What freedom am I restricting? I'm constantly repeating that I think mainland should remain but that I want smaller islands as well, above that, in addition, whatever you wanna call it. I think you're trying to restrict my freedom of NOT wanting to build and buy on the mainland.