PERSON CHARGING $10 FOR SOFTWARE THAT STEALS SKINS CLOTHING & TEXTURES

well, i'm a dumbass. i went and bought that stupid thing to see wut it was, and by george it's just the stupid little thing you can get from the net if you just know where to look.


too bad i could never get that darn thing to work on my POS computer. Phil has some nice furniture, and now i'll have to resort to buying it instead of stealing it. DAMM IT!

It's called Copyright law, Ricardo. You may want to look into it some time, and then maybe adjust your sense of entitlement accordingly.

LillyBeth, with all respect you are providing free (and good) advertising for this person. It is possible to browse textures without spending the money. Those who will, will, those who won't, won't. Meanwhile I suggest deleting the URL.

To put it bluntly, the permmissions on textures HAVE to be full perm for them to function. Why? Because the programmer(s) in charge of this at LL (or the management that is too inept to put SOMEone in charge of this) is f***ing retarded.

There's no way for a texture creator to sell his/her work with the permissions set to NoTransfer. If they are, the buyer can't use the textures.

So what the texture makers who have notecards that say "Do NOT sell these textures" are trying to do is to call on a little common sense and decency. That way they can continue to make a profit, and we can continue to enjoy their continued works.

For all the headaches this repeated topic has created, you'd think someone at LL would jsut grow a brainstem and FIX the stupid permissions system as it pertains to textures. But noooooo! *grumbles and smacks a brick off of Philip's head* Remember the blog? Something about shifting focus to the customers?

~Jessy

the other thing is that LL doesnt do anything to discourage stealing/copying and you have to jump trough loopholes to get anything done and then they just give it to an alt and go on...

No, Chip, you're just an oldbie content creator fascist (or communist, or anarchist, one of them). The only reason why people have permissions and copyright and all that sort of thing is because they're just plain greedy. They're sitting there, absolutely _raking_ it in from the vast sums to be made from spending twenty-four hours straight on Photoshop. And then they have the cheek to _tell people what to do_!

Well said!

Anybody can use photoshop.

hah, so true Ordinal! I'd comment further but I have to go tell the servants to polish my solid gold bathroom fixtures again (or as it's known in reality, go put some ramen on the stove and figure out how to pay the mortgage next month).

Well, first off, the use of the word "greed" as applied to people trying to make a living from what they sell pisses me off NO END, you have no idea.

I have zero sympathy for people who hand out freebies they have marked full perms, and then discover other people are selling them. Because there's not much reason not to mark them no-transfer in the first place, and easily prevent that. In those cases, I think these people are way over-reaching in trying to still own and control an item they already gave away.

But this is different. Texture sellers are in a unique position in SL because their textures need to have BOTH copy AND transfer enabled for a builder to use it.

Unfortunately, SL doesn't have a checkbox that would give permission to transfer a texture ON a prim, but not to sell or transfer the texture by itself. (Which would have problems in itself, in ways I won't go into here, and I'm sure in ways I don't even know about.).

You may not like being told that you are not to resell textures as is, but that is what allows us builders to purchase these textures and then use them in our creations. But we should not be able to sell them OURSELVES, and then profit off their sales in perpetuity, sometimes even undercutting the original designer!

I had a sort of solution for this problem a year or two ago that I thought was kind of off the wall at the time, but now - I'm thinking you know, it maybe isn't.

That would be for a texture store to sell textures copy only, and then maintain a list of reputatable creators that could apply for permission to purchase the full-perms version.

And then you could easily do spot-checks of those on the list to make sure they were using them only on things they made to sell, and not selling them outright.

Now, this would doubtless put some dent in the overall sales of texture makers, but it certainly would be less harmful to their longevity than these textures getting out in the wild and given away willy-nilly! (Or worse, sold by others.)

Ricardo, I can't begin to tell you how little I think of your eagerness to give away other people's work.

What do you do for a job in real life? How about you just do YOUR work for free, hmmm? Cause expecting to be paid for it is, hey, GREEDY.

Let's say you make hard-carved wooden statuary. What do you do with them, stand on a street corner handing them out, and inviting others to sell them for their own profit?

Well, you might do that if you were really WEIRD, and independently wealthy. But most people aren't, and expecting to get paid for one's work - rather than undermined and run out of business by others selling it as if it were theirs - is hardly greedy.

And of course they put this rule out there on a sign for everyone to see; it's the LEAST they can do. You wouldn't expect them just to not mention it, would you?

So lay off the texture creators, why don't ya.

coco

well that told him!

lets make up a new slogan for SL

"Eveything you do not own should be free!"

lolz

actually you can use no transfer textures when you build, it just screams at you when you put the texture on the item.

and yes you can sell them, I just tested with my alt

so all those texture creators out there, that are selling full perm, really do not have to

they do it because it is easier for the builder to use the textures

It's a valid concern, and quite frankly, I'm glad Lilybeth said something.

An old Soviet expression... 'silence means agreement'

It's a bug why no trans textures are being transferred. Maybe sometime in the next year, something will happen to correct it.

/me shrugs... 'Greed' is too strong, I suppose, but tell me again why I should feel good about paying $L750 for a pack of textures I don't want and will never use just to get the one texture I do want.

Okay, seriously, I think this is a very good point and one that applies to the software industry as a whole. There's applications that cost thousands of dollars and yet if you only use a single feature once every blue moon then it can be very difficult to justify purchasing a license.

So... don't purchase one.

It is only when somebody has a dominating, monopolistic position in a market that that becomes a problem - say, a package that one needs to be familiar with to get a job, or one which is the only one capable of producing a particular file format. There is no need to pay L$750 for a pack of textures that you don't want just to get one texture. There are no textures so absolutely incredible that you absolutely have to own them.

Excellent point.

It would be nice for texture stores to offer both individual textures and a discounted "fat pack" of the entire set. The trick is to charge $100L for an individual texture and then price the packs at $35 per texture.

I tend to like packs because of all the options they provide a builder, but there have been a lot of times where I would have purchased an individual texture but refused to buy a pack of 14 other textures that I had no use for.

Actually there are services inside SL that you can backup your entire invintory for the rest of your avatar life for about the same price so nothing can be lost due to asset server borkedness.




Or go to the singles section. Also TRU is creating a new texture HUD that will allow you to purchase a single texture or teleport you to the location of the entire set, ergo your problem of wanting the single texture is gone along with your point.

Well, the point is still relevant because up until that HUD debuts it is not possible to buy a single texture from a TRU 3-D Building set. Furthermore, unless somebody went to the trouble of actually correcting and standarizing the file names of the TRU collections the HUD will next to useless for searching just like their old single texture vendors were.

/me applauds very loudly

(sorry for probably adding to a derail-ish thingy )

What? I'm going to have to try this.

coco

That would be a different issue altogether.

I, too, prefer textures sold as singles, and appreciate those places that offer them.

Some of the packs might make sense to have lots of colors in, such as house siding, or types of things, such as various windows (double, single, etc.), that work together. Those I might use several of the pack.

But a texture pack for $500 of the same heart textures, say, or light fixtures - well, no matter how much you may like and want one of them, you may not need all the various colors or small style variations, and you feel like you'd be kind of an idiot to pay $500 for essentially one texture.

I'd say that of the texture packs I consider, only about 20% have enough textures in them I might want to use to make it worthwhile. I would say 80% of the texture packs have too many textures I would never use.

I would say I would buy 80% more textures than I do if it were not for this.

coco

P.S. I don't care if it's a little harder to find a single texture, depending on what system they use. (And many sellers just sell them single to start with, and then offer them as packs.)

I'm perfectly willing to spend just a whole lot of time to track down that single texture - assuming I know it is in there somewhere - than to pay $500 for it.

P.S. Shoot, for that matter, I have paid $100 for a texture! (Or was it $125?) If I want a single texture that bad, I will pay that much. (Of course, that is for a very unique texture that I want very much.)

But I won't pay $500 for it plus 17 others I don't care about. That feels wasteful, in addition to costing too much.

If you don't like the way the product is packaged, the correct response is to contact the maker and ask them to sell you a product you DO want. In this case, "Dear TextureMaiker, I really like your XXX texture, but don't really need all the others in that bundle. Would you please sell me just the XXX texture?"

Who said anything about wanting to be correct?

I contact makers in some cases, though not for a texture. Unlike Cocoanut I'm unwilling to invest the time, plus I never know if I really want that texture until I see it on a prim. So I buy the pack and generally don't mind too much. What I do mind is finding half of a pack of medieval stone wall textures sharing the other half of the folder with photo-based textures of a rusted-out school bus.