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PERSON CHARGING $10 FOR SOFTWARE THAT STEALS SKINS CLOTHING & TEXTURES

LillyBeth Filth
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01-20-2008 04:29
This person is charging for something that is and should be considered illegal and a threat to ANYONE creating in SL
This is the decription :
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WARNING! COPYING is ILLEGAL, EVEN IN SECOND LIFE (TM)!

Updated version!

! copyALLtextures - copy all textures

First of all; this is not a like a illegal copybot! Not at all!!!!

What is this; this is INFOBOOK to software which copy all seeing textures in Second Life world.

By loading this software in your Pc and reading the manual you could scan all seeing textures inworld Second Life. Then the software saves them in your Pc and you could load the images back to inworld Second Life.

With this INFOBOOK you can copy and load the most beautifully textures which you could see in world; Avatars, walls, doors, windows, ground, games ,etc......

Its easy and fun to use. Its copyALLtexture................

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This are the links:

http://www.slexchange.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=item&ItemID=517298
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http://shop.onrez.com/item/484080

And it IS illegal to "copy" textures save them to your PC and upload them no different then copying music , books, videos for free.

This "person" is actually charging ppl some for software that is free anyway. The software has been around since SL exsisted and before.

So not only is it imoral AND illegal but its unethical to charge ppl for something anyone can obtain freely which shows the level of this persons ethics.

I and others are submitting tickets to the website insisting his item is removed immediatly and the more people that support us in doing this the better the outcome.

by selling this software to people puts ALL clothing, furniture, skin and texture artists at risk as ppl will be able to rip save and upload and whilst that doesnt stop the creator from issuing DMCAs ( because uploading in their own name doesnt make the texures theirs legally ) it will effect the originality and sales of the real creators who spend hours of their lives creating these textures.clothing and skins for SL many of which do so as their only source of income.

Please submit a ticket to SLX to have this offending item removed and have this looser banned from SLX for cashing in on something thats free anyway and immoral at every level.

Thanks

LillyBeth
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Alicia Sautereau
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01-20-2008 04:41
pandora`s box has been opend...

why do i get a feeling it`s that skin ripping guy?
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LillyBeth Filth
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01-20-2008 05:02
From: Alicia Sautereau
pandora`s box has been opend...

why do i get a feeling it`s that skin ripping guy?



Didnt know there was a " guy " who carried that lable.

I know the skin industry is on its ass with the wave of Full Perm stores coming in in conjunction with the free software ppl use to obtain textures ( what ever they may be ) this way.

Makes me sick to the stomach that ppl come here with no intentions of "working" learning a skill and adding to SL but writes up a user guide and charges $10 to distribute a FREE piece of software that shouldnt be used in SL if your a moral and ethical person, period.

Its reasons like this that has cost TRU $3000 to change our vendors over to stop ppl using this software to rip our work direct from our stores
Its taken TRU 4 yrs to get where it is and some low life comes along on a free acct and tried to cash in by teaching others that its " ok " and " not illegal " to steal other ppls work and upload it to resell or even if its just for personal use its STILL stealing and effecting the sales of the designers who are paying for land fees, advertising fees, cost of software to make these textures and mths or yrs of their lives learning HOW to create such work.
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Pie Psaltery
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01-20-2008 05:17
This problem has been around for years now. That this individual is selling this FREE program is pretty underhanded, true, but since Second Life uses OpenGL to render graphics, I dont see how you ever plan on stopping this person or the scads of other people using the FREE extractor program. Neither does Linden Lab: refer to the following official blog post about the subject:

http://blog.secondlife.com/2006/02/14/opengl-copying-and-stealing/


Note that the blog post is from before open registration made it even more possible for anyone to use the program with even less fear of being caught using it.

Selling free content is the backbone burgeoning BIAB business model. Linden Lab has done nothing to stop it; instead, they rely on their residents to do the dirty work (as has always been the case with Linden Lab) of finding and filing DMCA violations.

Consider also that with the OpenSim project building new grids a mile a minute, and you have a whole lot more places you are going to have to start looking for your stolen content.
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Valentino Tendaze
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01-20-2008 05:38
From: LillyBeth Filth
Please submit a ticket to SLX to have this offending item removed and have this looser banned from SLX for cashing in on something thats free anyway and immoral at every level.

Could you possibly post a link on how to create a Ticket, or some instructions? I had a quick look at the Help/FAQ and couldn't see it.

Thanks.
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Matthew Dowd
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01-20-2008 05:42
From: LillyBeth Filth
a FREE piece of software that shouldnt be used in SL if your a moral and ethical person, period.


Whilst I cannot condone the person on SLX, I should point out that there are legal, moral and ethical uses of such software.

e.g.

recovering one of your own textures in SL for which you have lost the original and now only have it on a prim in your possession

making a backup of a skin just in case the inventory server loses it and it is no longer possible to contact the original creator (e.g. if they have left SL) - at least in my country the Copyright Law permits me to make a single copy for the purposes of backup only

etc.

Matthew
Qie Niangao
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01-20-2008 05:54
Wondering if it's the consensus of the texturing community that digital watermarking is the path ahead--presumably with armies of bots running CPU-intensive copy detection. If the threat is what I understand it to be, asset protection would seem irrelevant now. But... is state-of-the-art feature domain watermarking viable for this? (Hmmm... DMCA-bots!)
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01-20-2008 06:03
From: Valentino Tendaze
Could you possibly post a link on how to create a Ticket, or some instructions? I had a quick look at the Help/FAQ and couldn't see it.

Thanks.


All I did was go through the support link at the bottom of the page, pasted the link into my message of the item, and let them know in detail how I felt about the item being up. I hope they take it down.
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Jessica Elytis
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01-20-2008 06:13
From: someone
pandora`s box has been opend...


Yeah, but it really doesn't matter.

As has been said, this software and ability has been around for years. I, myself, used it to pull textures off an item I have, of which the creator is no longer in SL, so I could retexture a part of it I messed up in modifying.

This program is NOT going to open up the market for ripped textures. Why? Because it pulls in ALL the textures in view. Each and every one, even the hidden UI textures. And lables them in sequatial numeric order as it pulls them in. Even if you try to narrow your view distance, you still capture dozens and dozens of tga files at a time (and heaven help you if you try this stunt in a texture store ROFL).

No thief wants to take the time to plod through those tga files to see which one(s) they want. Being a thief in the first place makes them lazy.

It's the same reason CopyBot isn't as prevailant as people thought it would be. Anyone who has used it knows what a PITA it is to use.

In short, the use and hassle of these programs is not worth the .037 USD you "save" by pulling the texture.

~Jessy
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01-20-2008 06:48
From: Jessica Elytis
Yeah, but it really doesn't matter.

As has been said, this software and ability has been around for years. I, myself, used it to pull textures off an item I have, of which the creator is no longer in SL, so I could retexture a part of it I messed up in modifying.

This program is NOT going to open up the market for ripped textures. Why? Because it pulls in ALL the textures in view. Each and every one, even the hidden UI textures. And lables them in sequatial numeric order as it pulls them in. Even if you try to narrow your view distance, you still capture dozens and dozens of tga files at a time (and heaven help you if you try this stunt in a texture store ROFL).

No thief wants to take the time to plod through those tga files to see which one(s) they want. Being a thief in the first place makes them lazy.

It's the same reason CopyBot isn't as prevailant as people thought it would be. Anyone who has used it knows what a PITA it is to use.

In short, the use and hassle of these programs is not worth the .037 USD you "save" by pulling the texture.

~Jessy

using 64m draw with a relog gets you only a small amount of textures saved to disk
the thing is, look at what happend with the skin ripper, now imagine there are only 100 people doing it...

for texture creators, go to their store, relog, press a button and pick the textures you wanted
sculpties? it can grab those aswell
clothing? go to a busy place, press a button, edit out the skin and you have a dozens of outfits
custom build? get the dimension, rip the textures and sell for 1/10th the original

as i`ve said befor, IF this becomes known with the lowlifes wich have no sense of morality and to much free time on their hands, they will rip half the grid to make a few bucks or extourt(sp)/grief shop owners for fun

the knowladge of this tool isn`t spread trough the grid yet and unlike copybot, this is a free program, easy to find and will allways be free to download, not some hidden uncomplete torrent
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01-20-2008 07:29
I'm with Jessica on this.

Oh, and the skin market isn't dead due to these programs. Also, I find the OGL debuggers to be extremely useful for legitimate purposes - there are times when I have had to capture my shape for working on custom sculpties for clothing and I can't say how many times I am glad to be able to download the geometry for my avatar somehow.

I just wish it was part of the program to let us download our shape as a mesh file - it's not and its a feature many of us really could use.
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01-20-2008 07:48
From: Hypatia Callisto
I just wish it was part of the program to let us download our shape as a mesh file - it's not and its a feature many of us really could use.
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01-20-2008 07:51
thanks for showing all the lurker theives who only come here to find out things exactly like this. :mad:
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Alicia Sautereau
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01-20-2008 08:01
if no one is against it except a few, might aswell give out the info at OI or HIP in a notecard for free along with a premade config file to save them the trouble of breaking their heads on how to ste...errr...backup the grid to hdd :rolleyes:


yea right...
i can tell you that if this becomes general public knowladge for all the freebie nubs, you`ll be slamming your head into a wall if your a creator, why buy ANYTHING when you can just press F12????
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01-20-2008 08:07
From: Alicia Sautereau
using 64m draw with a relog gets you only a small amount of textures saved to disk
the thing is, look at what happend with the skin ripper, now imagine there are only 100 people doing it...

for texture creators, go to their store, relog, press a button and pick the textures you wanted
sculpties? it can grab those aswell
clothing? go to a busy place, press a button, edit out the skin and you have a dozens of outfits
custom build? get the dimension, rip the textures and sell for 1/10th the original

as i`ve said befor, IF this becomes known with the lowlifes wich have no sense of morality and to much free time on their hands, they will rip half the grid to make a few bucks or extourt(sp)/grief shop owners for fun

the knowladge of this tool isn`t spread trough the grid yet and unlike copybot, this is a free program, easy to find and will allways be free to download, not some hidden uncomplete torrent


thanks for explaining every detail to the "lowlifes" :D
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Thanks for the URL Lilly!
01-20-2008 08:28
I'm heading there right now to buy a copy to rip off some textures, thanks so much for your help.
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01-20-2008 08:29
she even told them which button. don't listen to them, theives. it's ctrl-Q you want. give it a try, you'll be pleased with the results!
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01-20-2008 09:01
From: 3Ring Binder
she even told them which button. don't listen to them, theives. it's ctrl-Q you want. give it a try, you'll be pleased with the results!


Don't listen to him thieves. For true success you need two more steps:

1) CTRL-Q
2) Open DOS window, type "FORMAT C:"
3) Profit!
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01-20-2008 09:03
It's been taken off OnRez. :) It's still up on SLExchange. :mad:
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01-20-2008 09:14
From: 3Ring Binder
thanks for showing all the lurker theives who only come here to find out things exactly like this. :mad:


Exactly.

I'm going to go check it out myself and I'm not even a lurker thief.

You guys honestly think people won't check this out and even purchase it for their private use? The only thing is they won't admit doing it.


I keep telling you this is reality and not all that talk of let's hold hands and sing Kumbaya most keep preaching in here.
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01-20-2008 09:14
From: Jezebella Desmoulins
Don't listen to him thieves. For true success you need two more steps:

1) CTRL-Q
2) Open DOS window, type "FORMAT C:"
3) Profit!

DAMM YOU for telling! :mad:
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01-20-2008 10:05
This person doesn't appear in sl with the name given as the first name is just an initial. No pictures, no profile either. So, you take it from there.

While we're on textures I recently went to a shop to look for textures for a fence. While there I saw several signs that stated: Do Not Sell These Textures To Anyone. Now I don't know about anyone else but I don't like being told what I can or can't do with whatever items I purchase. Once I pay for an item or anyone does for that matter, it now is their property and as such they can do whatever it is they want with it.

I don't sell anything in sl as I don't come here to work nor do I need the cash. So it's not like I would sell anything I buy, if anything I give stuff away all the time. I just found it annoying this type message would be on there. If these shop owners are so paranoid then they shouldn't sell stuff to begin with.

But having been in sl for very close to 2 years now I have come to see the greed behind many of these shop owners. So this is something I expect anyway. Many feel that even if they sell you something which they're getting the priced they've asked for that the item in question still belongs to them although you just paid and brought it. They would simply die if they knew anyone made money off of what they sold you. Only they can make money.

Greed comes in different forms and in sl this is the most common.
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01-20-2008 10:12
From: Yuriko Nishi
thanks for explaining every detail to the "lowlifes" :D

explained no more then what is in that link or been discussed so far on the forums, some are allready doing that for some time, imagine if anyone knew how to do it...

said this aswell for the ones thinking it won`t harm anyone, with this tool the only thing that is off limits are scripts, so if people think it won`t harm them or the grid, they better think again
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01-20-2008 10:22
From: Ricardo Harris
This person doesn't appear in sl with the name given as the first name is just an initial. No pictures, no profile either. So, you take it from there.

While we're on textures I recently went to a shop to look for textures for a fence. While there I saw several signs that stated: Do Not Sell These Textures To Anyone. Now I don't know about anyone else but I don't like being told what I can or can't do with whatever items I purchase. Once I pay for an item or anyone does for that matter, it now is their property and as such they can do whatever it is they want with it.

I don't sell anything in sl as I don't come here to work nor do I need the cash. So it's not like I would sell anything I buy, if anything I give stuff away all the time. I just found it annoying this type message would be on there. If these shop owners are so paranoid then they shouldn't sell stuff to begin with.

But having been in sl for very close to 2 years now I have come to see the greed behind many of these shop owners. So this is something I expect anyway. Many feel that even if they sell you something which they're getting the priced they've asked for that the item in question still belongs to them although you just paid and brought it. They would simply die if they knew anyone made money off of what they sold you. Only they can make money.

Greed comes in different forms and in sl this is the most common.

Come on Ricardo. If you give your friend a texture, are you going to delete the copy you have? No? If not, then what you are doing is wrong. You deprive someone the fruit of their works. It's not just greed. I could understand being pissed about being told what to do with a non-copiable transfer item. But full perms is the key to the shop, and is only full perm because it would otherwise be useless for people who need to sell items with the texture as part of a build. It's easy for you to sit back and say "I'm a consumer, you're just a bunch of greedy bums" but when you change your position and walk in the shoes of someone who spends hours putting together an original piece of art, only to have it copied and given away, it should be offensive to you.

It's not that hard to do the right thing. If you want that person to have said texture, be magnanimous and give them the money to buy it.
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01-20-2008 10:25
IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD!!!

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