Can a Adfarmer go this far?

Von, I did look at what you put up, and it's not quite what I'm looking for. I'm trying to blend in more with the natural surroundings (cough, choke.) I'm thinking of some kind of treelike thing with branches sticking out on the sides. I guess I'll have to play with it. I don't think I can make anything very attractive though. I guess I need a Giant Redwood tree from California.

I toyed with making it a giant tree, but now have decided to build a nice ten story condo around the 16sq m ad farm space.

I could care less if I ever own the 16 sq m bit of land, and refused to pay the L$9500 to L$20,000 the dimwit wanted for it, so now I'll just hide it within the walls of a skyscraper. Now it isn't for sale at all.....and it doesn't hurt me a bit.

And to the rest of the advertising "companies" on Second Life, my message is simple. You want the "view_S_?" Pay for it. Your owning a 16sq m plot does not assure you any right that anything on it must be seen by those who own the land surrounding it. If you want to sell ad space, and have ads that can be seen across the property of another, pay for it. Otherwise, if your ad is covered to the sky, quit your whining about it. If you want to assure your ad clients that their ad will be seen, you better strike up a deal with those who control that ability to happen. This of course, likely never crossed your minds.

Pay those who own the land around your ads, who build the things that generate the traffic your signs need, and who pay the tier for the land. There is a novel idea. You want us land owners to stop blocking your ads? You want the view from the outside, across our land, to your tiny plot with its ugly ad on it? Pay for it. Until then.....

This whole topic is just laughable. We are talking here of ONE tiny ad square right next to a warehouse that has new traffic daily and enough ads of its own to satisfy any ad farmers appetite! This one site is hardly gonna hurt anybody and this all seems a little bit ott. I dont like huge ad farms that blight the landscaoe with porn.....But lets at least get a sense of perspective here. I have to wonder what is better to look at anyway being as this ad block is right next to a rusting tin warehouse! The O/P also has a habit of builing over land that does not belong to her ....... go take a look at her building in Bear where you will clearly see she has built well into linden land right up to the roadside.

Looking at her build I also have an interesting question........Does an ad farm have to be just a 16m Square? To be honest if you look at the O/Ps build all I can see are ad's! We have ads to "save our sims" (which translates into close the Infohub I want all the traffic allowance) then we have huge signs saying don't put up with ad farmers (which look worse than the ads they are complaining about) then to top it all off we have huge yellow billboards advertising the O/P's services! The fact that the O/Ps build overhangs this space makes this arguement completely pointless. I would suggest that you clean up your own act before attempting to gain sympathy from the good people here.

In my own mainland rental sim we have five or six 16m squares where we have ads.....At first i boxed em in but then we realised that the boxes looked worse that having the ads. Our solution was to make the area as pretty as we could and just live with the ads. It's worked out well and we have no trouble renting these houses out even with the ads.

It's also worth noting that the O/P likes to get her own way in everything she does and is in the process of trying to close or dramatically change the bear Infohub for the sake of her business. Perhaps it's about time you just got on with having fun instead of harrassing anybody who is unfortunate enough to cross your path? It's also worth noting that the O/P is also best friends with one of the most prolific ad cutters and griefers in SL ....... When asked in person about this the reply I recieved was that as long as it was not in "her sim" it was fine!..........Go figure!

The OP is totally nuts. I just started using the forums as a source of info. I am a true advertiser, not adcutter/farmer etc...

Thank you C?m C?rd?ff

Mr N?rs? in these forums also sums up nicely.

Cam, inworld IM pls, I gotta a few questions for you.

... as for the OP, check out this post, last page or 2...

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There are others but if I started posting all the links to this OP's self rightiousness it may be considered spam. I have taken a personal interest in the OP and all her alts. After being land greifed for months without resolution I decided to fight back. The post above explains my position. the OP is sure to go nuts after this posting or chime in with childish remarks once again simply because I am clear, concise and correct according to ToS, CS and general morality. My ads all conform to PG standards and always will as per LL!

You had a large parcel. You CUT IT UP and made the 16M square at the roadside and placed FLOATING CUBES WITH ADS ON THEM. That's adfarming. We just do not agree on the definition of your actions.
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e298/bladyblue/adfarmer_003.jpg

Your not staying within Linden Lab's Terms of Service when you entitle a post "Nut Job Psyco". FYI.

It's interesting to note that you did not address my concerns Lias? Is it ok that you have made the place into an eyesore. It is now littered with anti this and anti that signs along with a huge billboard promoting your own business. This is surely what you are trying to avoid? As already mentioned this was just one small non spinning ad board in its own parcel that you yourself built into and still to this day have land hanging over it!

It's also interesting to note your frienship with one of the better known ad farmers and general griefers who has made himself a continual problem for many land owners in other sims other than bear. You yourself have admited that he does this and that you are well aware of it, you support him to the extent of taking out ad space at his shop! Your response was that as long as this was not in "your sim" you were fine with it. Would you care to explain why this might be so?

Your habit of using land that does not belong to you has extended to taking linden land by the roadside and using it to put your own prims on. Would you also like to explain why this seems to be a fine and fair practice?

My point here is that while i do not support ad farming in general, this lady sees fit to do the exact same thing as she is complaining about. Because she owns a larger parcel she seems to think that she can dominate and control the sim she has land in. She is trying to use this forum to gain sympathy for a problem that really didnt exist until she made it exist. Please don't take my word for it.....Go visit the her factory and see for yourself!

I know this is horrible to ask.. but seriously... it's driving me NUTS! (can you alter the thread title? Is that possible?) If so... can you please add an "n"

Or insert an epithet beginning with a consonant?

Sorry Cam, you did not tell me you were going to post here after I showed you this thread. I just wanted to point out to you that you welcomed an adfarmer into your "we care about the community" group. Seems reckless.

If you have seen someone adfarming (as I have seen Tanika doing) then please take action as I and many landowners have. You did mention today that you would buy the 16M from her and plant a tree. That is a step in the right direction. But since she owns 250 adfarm plots - thats a lot of trees!

I guess if you feel that every landowner in Bear sim must remove their walkways to the road then you would start a campaign to have that done. But it seems petty and passive agressive.

My signs on my 4000Meters are in protest of the adfarmer and other nonsense going on in the sim I have paid tier in since 2005. The other Bear Landowners support my efforts fully.

Lias, you are still encroaching upon Tankia's land. And you still have your prims on Linden Land. As for your build, it is just as much of an eyesore as any ad farm I have seen, even without all of your protest signs. I do support your right to build whatever the hell you want on your land, but with that I support Tankia's right to use her land as she sees fit.

As for the bearhub, that is public land. Are you now saying the public should not be able to access it? If your plot was filled with 36 people, would you kick some of them out so that other land owners in the sim could use their land?

What? Yet another land dispute in Bear in the Forums? Two notes to the good residents of Bear:

> You are making your sim appear to be the biggest PIA on the grid. Personally speaking, I would never buy where there are so many argumentative and attention-craving neighbors.

> There are 16,000 sims on the grid. The Forums are not a great place to work out individual land disputes; the rest of us learn little by your debate, because the circumstances are so localized. Perhaps your sim should collectively hire a mediator - there are groups of them inworld.

Hey Chris,
wrong thread to discuss infohubs - we already beat that dead horse. As I told the adfarmer - if the Lindens feel I need to move something I am sure they will take care of it.

Still doesn't get your build off of her land.

But I guess the sense of entitlement runs deep. If she anchored her prims on her land and then extended them out onto Linden land would you be so flippant?

Chris I am sorry you take this so personal. I feel that a adfarmer on any parcel in the sim is bad - on Linden land or on a 16Meter square. Let's not go back and forth on this. We agree not to agree.

It's very interesting to note that lias still refuses to answer to the fact that one of her closest friends in SL is in fact a very prolific ad farmer! I'm finding this thread incredible considering she has publicly stated that it was fine for him to put his spinning signs up in other sims as long as it was not in Bear!

It's also still very interesting that the O/P is relying on sympathy from people who use these forums without giving the full details. The fact is that she would be far better placed to gain sympathy if she had cleaned up her own back yard before complaining about someone else's!

As for the statement that I am "welcoming an ad farmer into my group" .......Lets just clear that up now shall we. Firstly our group is open to ANYONE (yes including you Lias) for a nominal one linden fee. It is a co op and all are welcome to join if they want. As long as there is no harrassment or trouble we are fine about anyone joining. We do not discriminate against people for carrying out business that others may or may not approve of. This is not wreckless, it is just the right way to behave towards our fellow residents.

My last point is regarding the fact that Lias is saying that the public can access public land but only for a short time. She has been harrassing the regular users of this hub for several weeks (since she opened her club training) and quite frankly most of the people that come to the hub are completely fed up of being verbally insulted and talked down to. Sorry for going off topic here but it was a point that needed addressing.

To finish............Can we please have a response to the fact that you are good friends with an ad farmer and endorse his actions as long as they are not in bear?.......... Watch this space for either no response or a change of subject!

Are you watching?

Just a small additional note:

Many of you have probably noticed junk prims left around the place on abandoned parcels with no auto return.

You can of course add your own "junk prims" in the form of ad blocking 4x4x10m blocks if the offending ad parcel has a few 16m parcels round it without auto return and a few prims spare.

The trick is to align them perfectly with the 16m parcel so they don't overlap the edges. Once you have the X&Y safely set according to the ToS, just lift your block till it's directly adjacent to the ad. Ta da! ToS safe non landowner ad blocking.

They can always buy the 16m parcel next to theirs if they want to set auto return

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