Can a Adfarmer go this far?

Re ad farms. Block them, screen them, AR them, put up signs denouncing them, complain to the alleged advertisers. If some beknighted Linden makes you take the blocking prims down, wait a day or two and put them back up.

The only good griefer is a gone griefer.

There comes a time when you have to do what your body does with invading microbes: It kills the mofos before they kill it. You do the same. It is nature's way.

"Nature has made up her mind. That which does not defend itself will not be defended." Ralph Waldo Emerson

And whatever you do, don't give the worst of them your lindens:

http://www.your2ndplace.com/node/528

I just find this hilarious: The adfarmers have an anti-defamation group. (Can I name names of groups? Well, doesn't matter.) Their charter is:"FIGHT THE HARRASMENT Land Brokers ARE RECEIVING FROM TYRANTICAL LANDLORDS, WHO DO NOT TRUELY BELIEVE IN FREE COMMERCE AND MARKETS. IF U HAVE BEEN HARRASSED, OR WORSE YET THREATENED. YOU MUST JOIN THIS GROUP!!"

Ordinarily I'd figure this was ironic self-parody, but the spelling and punctuation suggest something other than humor was intended. (But I still think it's hilarious.)

Von, I don't have an ad farm issue but I had to check out your build. You are my new idol.

I don't have a problem with outlawing ad farms if the residents demand it. I definately don't see how a Linden could have the nerve to tell you to stop some of the tactics listed here given the tactics of the ad farmers. Well, except for the orbiting comment by Mickey, which of course is a no no, but would be so worth being banned for a few days.

I can't have my signage up there? I did'nt know we could not do that.

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e298/bladyblue/adfarmer_003.jpg

I'm unsure on LL's point of view (I can't quite get my head that far up my....ummm...nm), but, imo, as long as you do not list a specific avatar name, parcel name, group name, etc, you are fine.

The sign displayed "ad farmers" is no more a personal attack than saying dogs, or politicians, or Lindens.

Personally, the 16m plots I have bought are all tagged with the parcel name "Ad Farmers Suck" and have a parcel pic with a self made poster. I don't really want to put out floating signs just to say I hate floating signs ^.~

On a personal note, the ad farmer I grabbed my 16m plots from was one that got his own medician. The plots were for sale for 50,000L$ (yeah, someone at LL tell me that isn't land extortion). Well, I was home one day and he was working on the land. I noticed him lowering the land to 50L$ a plot, so I bought them all when he logged. Seemed a new alt logged in and he was a BIT upset and 'demanded' I sell them back. I told him he could have them for 50,000L$ per 16m *grins* He's now muted after the tirade he gave me =^.^=

Until LL does something, however, 16m parcels are always going to be cluttering up the Mainland, amking it look like crap. Advertising or not, it looks like crap. And advertising by floating signs in a world that has a Search engine built in, is retarded. The ads can not generate a significant number of sales. They are put up to annoy, or extort land a good percentage of the time. Yes, some are just sotres that have extra tier left over using it as they can. Not many though, as most buisnesses that can afford the extra land already know the ads don't work.

Spinning "For Sale" signs are also in this grouping. It's for sale? No duh!!!! Is that why it's in BRIGHT YELLOW on the map? *rolls eyes*

As for DO's and DON'Ts for actions:
DO
1) Build what you want, even right up to your property line.
2) Ban the owner of the land and/or any within the group for the land.
3) Comply with any directive from any Linden. No brainer here. However, that does not mean you must accept their ruling. File a Support Ticket, contact Live Chat, e-mail every Linden you can think of, call if you can, and keep on them until you get a satisfactory answer. Keep in mind a "satisfactory" answer may not be one in your favor, it just may be the right answer.

DON'T
1) Do Not build anything over the property line. Not even branches from a swaying tree. Keep in mind that cut and twisted prims (and mega prims) can have differnt center of masses. Do no let any part of any prim (invisible or not, phantom or not) intrude over onto another's property. Specifically do NOT place an invisi-prim scripted prim over their land. That is harrasment pure and simple.
2) Do Not put up any wording or pictures that attack an individual. Keep any wording or pictures civil. If you're unsure if it's civil, don't use it. Think of wording it if you were going to take it down and protest the local Police Dept....right on the sidewalk in front of their building.
3) Do Not use particles of any sort in the blocking. Due to the nature of particles as being seen differently client-side by every avatar, you can not tell what another might see. Same for Flexie.
4) Do not use high resolution textures, or flickering textures or laggy scripts. Causing lag, even client-side, is a violation of the CS.
5) Do not orbit/push. etc etc. I don't need to explain why here.
6) Do not use a security system on your land against the ad farmer. Ban them using land tools, but do not set any scripted devices to auto-attack them. Indescimatory security tools are fine (ie, those that give a warning, then eject anyone), but ensure they are limited to you parcel boundries.

A note on builds: Some say you need to make their side transparent and that the prim needs to be phantom. Not true. By LL's ruling, a land owner can build whatever they wish on thier land. It doesn't matter if that blocks the view of the neighboring plot. Making the build phantom is irrelivant if you land-ban the ad farmer. I suggest making the build phantom if it is just a blocking wall. If it's part of a landscaping build, or part of a building, then your own judement is the course to take here. Use the Ban Lines to override any complaint of the ad farmer for being "blocked" from their land. One thing LL can not tell you to do is UN-ban someone.

All in all, be smart. Work within the ToS/CS, but do not just sit back and take it while the worst of this lot despoils your SL.

~Jessy

LOL, friggin' owned.

i beleive she means with Physical Barriers or obstructions, like Surrounding all four sides of a 16 Sq.m Plot in the Middle of land you own with walls or other structures that completely restrict the Owners View. If they were Flats that were 100% transparent on his side that might be Ok if the Only way you have left him to get to his land is TP, But if there is free passage, the barriers could not Completely surround it.

Angel.

I still want to see the rule that says boxing someone in is a no-no.

Frankly, any 16sqm or 32sqm parcel completely surrounded by one land owner should be claimable by eminent domain. Make it 5x the median per sqm land price to do so.

And it's way past time for us to have the ability to return anything that protrudes into our own parcels so that we don't have to wait for AR's to get processed? It'd free up liasons and lindens to help out with more serious abuses.

Grr.

The OP had her build overlapping the farmer's land after she moved it. I don't like ad farmers, but I do defend their right to use their land as they see fit. Blanket statements are usually always wrong.

I think you're referring to an old LL rule where it's not allowed to block somebody from accessing their own land. This was necessary in the telehub ages, but with direct tp, it's no longer an issue.
Although I would still consider it a common courtesy to allow right of passage over your land if it completely surrounds another person's plot. This is beside the point for adfarmers though, they're not actively using or living on the plots.

Most adfarmers abandon their plots forever and just swap out the advertisements on the prims remotely. That's why it's so rare and special to find an adfarmer that cares about their land.

If I had a ton of land with a 16m adfarm on it, I'd just build a really nice, large treehouse around it that branches out with living decks and the whole works. You probably wouldn't ever know there was a 16m plot in the middle unless you had property lines turned on.

'Overlapping' is taking it a bit far. My build is there not touching her floating prostitution squares. A small portion of the pase of my build was slightly on her land - which did not effect her asfarm at all. She just decided to use the opportunity to make a bigger nuisance of herself and offer to sell me the plot for a minimum of 10K. Since I chose to move my prim back slightly and not fall for her extortion she decided to texture spam me.

I looked at your build after you first posted. Your building was covering part of her ads, the corners of her boxes were inside your tower. Since the base of your tower was right on the line and the upper part of your tower was wider than the base, you were overlapping on to her plot.

Ms. Adfarmer and her boxes were there for months. she decided to stretch them further out to justify texture spamming me and trying to extort me into buying the 16M plot for 10K. All this because I ignored her cubes since January. This was her more agressive sales pitch.

Pssst... I have some mega prims, one is 65,000x50 mtrs in size, lay them on end and do 100% alpha on their side and apply a partial alph on your side, so that all you see is a pretty fence at ground level... don't make them phantom so ppls will find it very hard to get onto that nasty land, and box them in... just don't tell ANYONE I said this ok?



BTW... I'm just kiddin ok?

Lol I got a few pyramids about in SL I encased pyramid schemes in, I covered them then sent an IM to the Landowner, at least one of them is still there after 6 months and no reply from any landowners

If ad farmers have the right to put up rotating ads on little plots next to my property, surely I can put up anti-adfarm signs right beside them on my land. They can try to AR me, but if they can successfully force me to take down my signs, we should easily be able to force them to take down their ads. I don't see this happening. So, I'm all for everybody putting up big ugly signs beside adfarm lands. The land is already ugly, so my adding signs isn't going to make it any worse, escpecially if I put up some nice images on the side the neighbors see. Once the ads come down, so do my signs.

Also, everybody make sure to pick up a free Clocktower Probe and set it up on all your parcels!

/me reads Jessica's post above and smiles. You ARE a Goddess.

If you read my post i specificly said My Understanding of "On your own property" is NO OVERLAPS. The OP didn't specify that her Build lapped the Ad farmers land, But Only Based upon that, my advice Stands. IF her build overlaps then the Ad farmer was within her rights to ask the build be moved and the OP should Keep her builds Off the Add farmers lands. But the Continued harassment AFTER the OP complied was Not Justified At All, and the OP Should, As i said, Mute her, and have no further Communication with her.

Angel

Jessica is my hero.

Thanks, Bradley.

Ad farmers suck. Period.

Do more people have pictures they can share to show how they've dealt with the adfarms, by using walls and other ideas?

I have a few that I own land on 3 sides of, the other side is Linden Land. But everytime I put something up, it doesn't necessarily help the matter and just looks tacky. Trust me, my regular builds are tacky enough, LOL.

I made a simple four-square tower to the sky using a lovely Brazilian Rosewood texture, and the same concept should work fine on three sides. I made it black on the inside of the walls, and wood on the outside. See it at Yudasin 36.207.55.

Wood makes thinks look nice. Ad farms make things look ugly, especially three giant ugly Rudy Gulliani photos staring at the sim on all sides of a square. Eeewwww, shudder.

Stupid ad farmer probably thinks this is about politics, but for me its about my healthy disdain for ad farmers. No use for them, and think they are nothing but leeches. I have compiled a list of the worst offenders in my sim, and I'm banning them from my lands and encouraging my neighbors to do the same.

I think it depends on the Add ...... ive seen a few, including one on a 32sqm will a little static texture quoting psalms from the bible, and another on a 32 with an ACTUALL add for somehwre or another.... it wasnt spinning and used all the prims for one add like a billboard. Both these adds were not offensive and the land is not for sale, now in MYbook that is acceptable use for an Add, however right next to these nice adds are blight (i will grab pics later) they are CLEARLY entering my parcel by just under half and even though hey COULD move the adds back they have clearly pushed them inot my parcel, putting up regular prims means the prims have to be some size as thiers enters so deeply, I have contacted the owner and asked..... very nicely to please could they move the adds back a little as they were intruding..... no response... no reply, land for sale 20,000, I know own a significant amount of area around that plot........... and that plot will be boxed in this evening.

As for locking somebody in ... thats really not my problem, as said early that was only really an issue before P2PTP, I can put whatever texture I choose on the inside... I can make it flash like a maniac if i wish .. (im on Mature mainland) all these things are within the TOS and certainly within my rights as a land owner. I wont say that ad farmers have no rights ..... they have the same as us, and we apply the same rules as they do.... if you want the view ..... BUY IT!!!!!!