Can a Adfarmer go this far?

Adfarmer had prims selling prostitution adjacent to my roadside parcel for months. I chose to ignore it. Today she IMs me saying my build is too close to her ads I need to move it. I moved the base back so it was not touchng her parcel - told her she had some nerve complaining when she was selling smut right next to my business - and I went on my way. This morning she lowered the ads closer to the ground and added textures that keep creating themselves. These textures say LAND GREIFER ALERT. Luckily for me this is not my primary residence or I would be very annoyed. I feel she is just damaging her already tarnished image by harassing people that own land. I erected my own sign on my building telling folks that fly by not to support adfarmers because of this sort of behavior. Luckily for me there are only 4 landowners in our sim so we will get together to deal with this and make sure we don't sell any land. I will also be sending pictures to the advertisers so they know what their ads are involved in. What else is a effective method to deal with people like this?

Picture of adfarmer texture spammer
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e298/bladyblue/adfarmer_003.jpg

It seems to be that the ad farm owner is ruining their own business all by themselves... I don't think you need to do much else!

Cool, an adfarmer that cares about their land. Those are the fun ones. Erect enormous phantom walls around their tiny little plot so nobody can see inside, while keeping your walls clearly on your side of the property line (and their side of the walls transparent). They'll whine and cry about abuse, but you're exercising your rights as a land owner as much as they always preach about their right to have an ad farm. Fair's fair.

You are perfectly legal in building all the way up to your property line. Just don't trespass over onto her plot. That being said. If you have the prims, screen her in on all sides that you can. And AR her for the emitter. That kind of spam has no place in SL.

Edit:
I went and looked at your land. Part of your build is hanging over on to her space. It is the front round section that is hanging over.

I dont see who thinks getting an ad in an ad farm helps business.

Very few people fly to get places anymore.

A classified Ad is much more efficient. Or an ad board at a place that actually has demonstrable traffic.

Basically the ads are sold to those new in business who think it will actually help their sales. So the naive.

I dont think the main purpose of ad farms if selling the ads anyhow, I think the main purpose is being such an eye sore that neighbors will buy them out, Thats why the lands always for sale at a high cost.

Actually this ad plot isn't for sale, the owner has had it since January. It does sit on a Linden road.

The OP needs to be careful with calls for zoning. She has 15 pounds of building stuffed into a 10 pound sack and she is spilling over not only onto the Ad plot but onto the Linden's land as well.

Thanks for the feedback. Chris I moved one prim for her and she said it was fine. I guess she changed her mind. But I am not using any of her 3 prims - she is using them all. But I will adjust again. This woman obviously has some weird issues. Me moving that beam back 3 inches will not make her ads any more visible on that side - My entire build still blocks her ads on one side - and from the back also if I wanted to. But your right - if she keeps this sort of behavior up she won't have much of a business anyway.

You can have your structure intrude over into another plot without using any of that plots prims. The square base is sitting right on the line and the round "tower"? is wider than the base, so it hangs over the line up higher. If you notice, the corner of her ad's are in your round structure.

Not true. I have joined Weight Watchers through ebay 1700 times since they started advertising in SL.

But seriously, ad cutters have total distain for SL and their community. Please return the favor any way possible.

I posted this before in another thread but don't think too many folks saw it and it fits this topic well. So please excuse the double post.


I for one think that ad farms are an eyesore. However, I don't like the idea of them being banned either.

I was exploring the other day along a section of Linden land roadway. The edges of these roadways seem to attract ad farms. Although it's a bit out of character for me, I went to the website of the one of the advertising companies. I located the company's contact info and sent a polite email, stating that I felt these types of ads were an eyesore and that there were better ways to advertise in SL. I was pleased and surprised when I recieved the following reply;

"Thank you for letting us know about this problem. XXXXXX.com does not
directly advertise in Second Life. I believe this is someone that is
part of our affiliate network. I myself have been a part of the SL
community since 3/06 and can appreciate your comments about how it is
indeed an eyesore. Would you be able to tell me what sim you saw the
ads in so I can find the creator?"

So, I would like to encourage others who dislike ad farms to politely let the companies being advertised know your feelings. I'm sure many of these companies wont care if there ads are an eyesore or not, but it only takes a little effort and it can't hurt to try.

Also I X'd out the actual company name. I wasn't sure if mentioning it here was against forum rules out not.

True, but in another thread "neighbor issue" the op was advised to AR the person whose structure was invading her land for "Parcel Encroachment". Same issue, prim was anchored in owner's parcel but extended into OP's. Would suck to get ARed by an ad farmer, though I know it happens.

Absolutely! I did this with a solitary ad-farmer in a sim I owned apart from a 512sqm plot, which of course the adfarmer owned. I built phantom walls all around it with some mega prims and they duly cried "foul!". It didn't seem to matter to them that they were displaying OTT BDSM scenes and ejaculation pics to a height of 100m. Anyway they called a Linden in who only told me to remove the mega prims as they may have an effect on the adfarmers rotating boards (shakes my head). Anyway, replaced them all with reg prims and after a short "height race"; where they attempted to go up to 200m before they ran out of prims their ads disappeared and the adfarm land went on sale. It was then sold within in minutes. The new owner then offers me the land at 5x times current price!

Of course it was the original adfarmer under an alt trying to sell it. I refused to buy and immediately the land is filled up with unattractive clutter. No matter, I simply put the screens back up. After 3 weeks the land was sold to a designated buyer and then oddly enough after 3 days the land was put back up for sale at a reasonable market price but 4x times less than the last selling price and I bought it.

So the moral of the story is; if you have patience you can beat them and drive them away. If they can't advertise/be seen then they are throwing their money away and when they do leave hang in there for a good price. This in the end was one of my best experiences in SL.

I'm squeezing an ad farmer out now. I've built a box three prims tall that surrounds a 16 sq m plot of land perfectly with about a meter to spare on all four sides. It is stacked up over and over until it reaches the clouds. It is set to copy for free, so if anyone else has an ad farmer that they want to legally block out, and you, like me, own the land surrounding their annoying litle 16 sq m lot, you are welcome to come to Yudasin 37.207.55 and take a copy with you to use. I blocked the ad farmers group members, which I suspect are all him anyway, from the land, so he could only TP to his tiny plot, and has no in turn banned me from his little plot, though I notice he finally set the little bit of land to NO Sale instead of the $9600 he was asking to make the ad farm land go away. I can wait him out forever. If he was smart he'd try to sell it for a reasonable amount to me, but he isn't smart.

Put your build back where it was, and Mute the Ad farm owner.

No one Listens to, or Sympathizes with Ad farm owners anyway, except other Ad farm owners. if you have no further communication of Any kind with her, and keep your builds on your own property, then she can rage at the silence all she likes, it will be utterly meaningless.

Angel.

you'll need the invisibility prim refresh script if you want to 'hide' the ads...

// Invisibility Prim Refresh v1.1a
// by Beatfox Xevious
// last updated Oct. 21, 2004

refresh()
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llSetTexture("38b86f85-2575-52a9-a531-23108d8da837", ALL_SIDES);
llSleep(30);
llSetTexture("e97cf410-8e61-7005-ec06-629eba4cd1fb", ALL_SIDES);
}

default
{
state_entry()
{
llSetPrimitiveParams([PRIM_BUMP_SHINY, ALL_SIDES, PRIM_SHINY_NONE, PRIM_BUMP_BRIGHT]);
llOffsetTexture(0.468, 0.0, ALL_SIDES);
llScaleTexture(0.0, 0.0, ALL_SIDES);
llSetAlpha(1.0, ALL_SIDES);
llSetTimerEvent(5);
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timer()
{
if ((integer)llGetWallclock() % 60 < 10)
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refresh();
}
}
}


also.. before using that, I'd just try ARing them. Even though all her prims are on her land, you can get the ads removed if those particle textures are too close (and annoying) to your land.

As long as your prims are within your own property lines, you can build whatever you want, wherever you want on your land. Including 20x20 mega prim blight screen walls in front of the ad farm.

The ad farmer has absolutely no rights to tell you what you can do on your own land. I agree with the person that said just mute him/her and if they harass you or make their ad prims encroach on your land, then Abuse Report them.

Otherwise, just do your own thing and let the poor ad farm suffer.

Similar story, different situation.

I'm paying tier for a full sim, but don't own all the land. That's fine, whatever.
So, one of my neighbors very kindly gives me first option on the land when they want to sell. Sweet, right?
Well, they forgot to set land to me and it got swooped up by a bot. Sucks.
Anyway, the plot got chopped into 512s and sold. The new owners were all, save one, VERY cool and quickly moved on to bigger plots, selling me the land.
Save one.

This doofus chopped the 512 into a whole bunch of different sized sections and set all but one for sale, leaving one 16sqm plot that I couldn't buy. I IMed him, thinking he maybe missed it or something.
"Nope. I'm using that for sim statistics" whatever that means.
(Actually, DOES anyone know what that means? There's nothing in the plot, no objects, no nothing. I would have thought he'd need SOMETHING there to get sim Statistics...)
I asked if he'd be willing to swap to a plot on the edge of the land, so I don't have this bloody 16sqm dot in the middle of my land. I even offered to pay him for his time.
This douchebag demanded I give him a 32sqm plot in exchange!
I was shocked and asked why.
I kid you not, this was the response.
"I have to feed my children"

Well, I lost it. I tried to get him to explain what he was talking about, how that would feed his kids, etc.
Needless to say, he got all trolly and kep moving the goalposts, changing his argument, tried to bring in the Ginko fiasco, yadda yadda.

Screw it, I thought and closed off the conversation with "Please don't ever IM me or communicate with me again, unless you grow a soul and are willing to be decent"
(I know I have no right to the land. I was referring to other things that he said)

So he's now banned, with 60 metre high invisiprims surrounding the plot. From inside, all you can see is the logo for my store *grin*
I'm contemplating getting a security orb and setting it to just him and placing several copies right next door to the plot, at intervals of about 20 m, so it'll blast him out in to airspace, but I haven't decided.

As for the adfarmers on the land, I put a huge sign on my land, behind their ads, saying "Do you REALLY want to support someone that would use an adfarmer? If they'll come into this sim, yours could be next."

I'm DYING to hear from one of them. *grin*

Guys, you're not supposed to block all four sides of anybody.

coco

Coco, I'm not disputing that, but can you point me to where it says that?
Not saying it's not the rule... just want to make sure.
If it is, it will definitely make my decision easier

I don't see how that can work. For one thing, the adfarmers--such champions of property rights--do that all the time to the little stranded 16s in the middle of their ads. And even 512s can get surrounded: if my neighbor has a parcel blocked on the three other sides by other neighbors, am I then the unlucky one who can't build up to my property line? (Not that any of the four *should*, but if any can, all should be able to.) This seems like it would be a really strange rule.

Specifically in the case of the adplots, though: I think they should just "buy the view" if they want anybody to see the ads.

To quote the phrase most often used by ad farmers "If you want the view buy it. If it's not for sale, tough."

LL says that ad farmers can put up anything they want. That means so can we. And any landowner is allowed to ban anyone, and ban lines go up forever for named bans, so that works even better for four sides.

While I can see ads at roadsides, or near buisnesses, owning a 16m plot in the middle of someone else's property is stupid.

Ban/Mute and build around. They can always TP into their land, and if they don't like it, they can sell.

Same as what ad farmers do to everyone else.

P.S. When I say "ad farmers" I mean the lowlifes that put up ads to annoy right in the middle of residential areas, or set a 16m plot to sell for 120,000L$. A reasonable ad on a roadside (or other such reasonable use) is not part of this.

~Jessy

I'm with Mickey- I remember this being policy ages ago when I first started... but the last few times I went looking for anything to back it up I came up empty.

I really don't think it's an 'official rule' anymore.

(but I'm not saying LL won't choose to enforce it if&when they feel like it.)

As much as I dislike adfarms, I dislike vigilante justice... it's too emotional. As much as passive aggressive responses delight the darker parts of my personality, it doesn't make it right, and I'd prefer if it weren't discussed on the forums. That said, as long as it doesn't cross into trolling or private discussion there isn't much I can do about it; ad farms are a vexing social issue.

Some of the methods being discussed here are also land griefing techniques. Using them will likely only escalate the situation and open you up to ARs.

If an object is using particles and they are very proficient or invasive, you can report them for particle spam (but first pull down your own anti-adfarm signs).

As far as hovering, rotating ,ejaculation pics are concerned, Id safely say these are reportable as a violation regardless of the rating of that sim. Why these people think open air porn is somehow acceptable I dont know. I like checking out some lewd and crude porn as much as the next perv, but even I will write up a blatent out in the open, parked by the side of the street, porn pic. As far as their practical usage is concerned, I dont know of anyone who flies by a giant BDSM advertisement and says, " OH LOOK HONEY, A NEW BONDAGE DEN TO HANG OUT IN!" I dont even know if half these places advertised are real. Ive never visited a place Ive seen rotating on a cube on the curbside. I'd like to see some stats on how effective these things are as an advertising device. Plenty of folks see these adcubes every day, maybe somebody really does use them to find a new shopping locale. As for my opinion, I've always been under the impression that these things were simply extortion units, designed to force landowners to pay exorbitant fees to get rid of the annoying things. Whats the reality behind this adfarming stuff???

JIRA link to the meta-issue, which collects all the ad-farm related issues in one place:

https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/MISC-608