I am beyond IRATE!!

Here I go again, round 50 with SL and the owners of a sims beside me on the mainland. I own Kajirea, a club and an Outlet business on the mainland. We are forever being harrassed by the neighbors through SL's very own complaint system. I've had games sent back, I've had guest given warnings by sl over their "shouting" hellos from the club. I've had my DJ of the club threatened and warned by LL's over his DJ music shouter. I've had my egg toss game removed. My business partners account was suspended over a roof overhang that was touching the property line slightly over which we didn't know and it had been there for over a year. Same with trees as well. Endless ongoing trouble.
We had lindens even come to our land two months ago to check the lag situation. Explaining all that we have done to help the issue of lowering the lag. Everything by this linden was given the ok. Except that I might want to discuss with neighbors of their use of textures, etc. Campers were discussed, poses with this Linden [and yes the talk was saved] and everything was fine. NOTHING changed. I had my camping chairs sent back to me yesterday. My partner..who didn't own the chairs or the land the chairs where on...was told he violated the tos..blah blah blah..another account suspension. WTF??
I can't move my business I am locked onto that land with no where to go. I have tried and begged to speak with a linden rep over this to try mediation to no avail. I am being raped over this ongoing. I feel SL has violated even me by giving me no place to turn for help. I am told "make out a ticket" I do. I get no answers they are ignored. I would say its time for a lawyer and sue the hell out of everyone for harrashment but can't even afford that. Anyone out there offer any support? and no..moving isn't the answer, I couldn't afford the lindens it would cost to try and buy other land and move..

To be fair, if your operations affect others around you, and from what you've said, it sounds like some of them do, then you need to change your operations. E.g. shouting as a normal way of operating, isn't nice for people around, and egg throwing sounds as if eggs may end up on other people's property. Also, camping *can* affect neighbours. Overhanging trees can be nice but not if the neighbours don't want them overhanging their property, so you've no complaints on that score - or on the overhanging prim. You didn't say which games were returned to you. Maybe they shouted out the winners.

Operations should not impinge on the neighbours.

i agree with Phil, but as not to be rude i willn't respond beyond that since i would be reiterating what Phil has already said.

lol. You've been reading the other thread

By your description of the situation, Mystique, I'm sorry, but I've got to echo what Phil said. If your operations are consistently bothering your neighbors, then it's most likely you, not them, who are at fault. Your right to operate a club, or any other business, cannot trump your neighbors' rights to enjoy their own land.

I know incessant shouting would certainly bother me, if one of my neighbors were doing it. And there's simply no excuse whatsoever for overhanging objects. I don't care whether it's one millimeter or a hundred meters. If my neighbor's stuff overhangs my property, I'm going to ask him/her to remove it. If he/she refuses, I'm gonna have LL take care of it. Property lines are property lines. Failure to respect that is all kinds of wrong.

Sorry, I know that's not what you want to hear. But in the absence of further detail, it's the only conclusion I can reach, from what you've said so far.


One thing you said really puzzles me. In what way are you "locked in" to the land you've got? People move in SL all the time, and there's certainly no shortage of available land. What makes you so different from the other millions of SL users that prevents you from moving your club?

I was scratching my head with the same question - it's mainland, so why the heck are you "locked" to that land?

Maybe the OP should have mentioned that the "club" is a Gorean brothel. That could make the shouting - apart from annoying - also very much non-PG...

Mystique, you do know that there is the option to restrict sound to the parcel you own?

Having lived next to a business that luckily was not a club, still it was just as bad. The business had campers, then the bots came. Where there was never hardly any lag became laggy. I never had use of a security orb until that business came due to folks just wandering in my house. When asked to leave I got hassled. It got so bad, that I moved up to sky. This wasn't even mainland.

I was always very conscious of my prim usage and could not for the life of me figure out why my prim count was so high. I owned just short of a quarter of a sim with nothing but ocean on 2 sides. One day, instead of using the teleporter to go landside, I jumped and as I was floating at the very edge of my lot tucked at the very edge and underwater was this mansion. Come to find out, one of the business owners customers put it there. My bf at the time showed me how to use the land tools and that took care of that and prevented other situations.

Then the business owner decided to change the scheme of her land. Which is well within their right to do. However, on my side of her "big ass hill" it was horrible. I respectfully asked her could she tone it down some as it did look very nice on her side but on my side it did not. Well then she started giving me a bunch of lip about it. So I ended up putting up mega size green, spinning walls property line without being in violation of the covenant. She sent me an im saying hoe could I do that and I was being mean. Blah, blah, blah... And I simply responded the same way she did me, well they look great on my side of the lot. Next day, that "big ass"hill came down and I took my walls down.

I don't know about the OP, but the business owner in my situation was very self focused and did not show interest in the feelings of her neighbors. I must note she also used strong armed tactics to get others to move so she can acquire their properties. I suspect this may have been her plan with me. However, irl I live in a neighbor not uncommon to hear gun shots at any given time. I told her this and said you think I'm gonna let some cartoon punk me down and screw up my SL.

So to OP, if you are locked in the land as you say you are, then one suggestion would be to make your neighbor(s) a more than fair offer and buy their lots if they are willing to sell.

Maybe SL can give a potential land owner the option of "do you want to be near a camping sim or not"?

Is that possible?

Also, I was gonna mention that there is a way to check property lines, and I was just a renter not a land owner.

I don't have much more to add to help you with that "egg on your face" problem nor your "shouting". :winks:

Please don't move next to me!

If you're in a PG sim you really want to look into moving.

Restrict the sound to your parcel as suggested above.

You share resources on mainland, you need to be a good neighbour. LL aren't consistent on this and I know of another mainland sim where the situation is absolutely ridiculous, but that doesn't mean they're wrong to talk to you.

I was just gonna say I'm glad the OP is "locked in" and can't move because I sure would not want a neighbor like that.

maybe it's time for mystique to move to a homestead or full sim, I'm sure many estate owners like myself are willing to help out with a homestead because it is still not posible to get one without owning at least one full sim already I would state my prices but that would be advertising (grated this is already a shameless plug) but feel free to IM me in world. I'll also put up an ad in the clasified section.

Ok forgive me if this is a dumb question, but a couple of people have suggested restricting "sounds" to the parcel. When the OP wrote about the "shouting" I assumed it was text "shouts" - using the option on the chat bar. I think that carries into the parcel/sim next door, doesn't it, and I don't think there is any way of blocking that.

Please educate me if I am wrong.

I think until LL have every piece of land "zoned" (I'm not holding my breath!) there will always be issues of someone having something "next door" that offends him/her. On the one had I think it's a risk you take being on mainland, but on the other hand I think it's important for people to be "good neighbours".

Do you all realizing what you are doing and saying..you are all saying to me that business' of any kind are not wanted on the mainland. That we have no rights to anything unless I want to buy a sims of my own. As a business owner ..a land owner..I own almost half a mainland sims I should be able to do what I want to some degree. I should be able to throw party's. Just like the residence that live on the sims beside me do. They shout as well but I don't complain over it. Its beyond shouting..its putting blame on everything and anything that moves on my property. To much traffic I was told to my outlet store one day..WTF. Traffic brings lag too..
I should have rights too. Why was only 6 of 10 campers returned to me?..who came up with the magic number?..the sims is still lagged, removing my campers didn't do any good. its simply harrashment and Lindens is allowing it. Whats going to be next, my vendors in my store.will I find them in my inventory next?..where does it end?

Another thought, maybe Mystique could try that "mud on your shoes" game as it might be less laggy. lol

Just a thought.

Because of THAT experience I have always stride for complete privacy. I had an OS but now I have a full sim, on its own CPU so what I do doesnt' affect anyone else and visa versa. I along with my partner can live happily ever after.

Everybody loves a happy ending!

If you're using all the resources of the sim then yes you need an island. Your neighbours have rights to, they should be able to use their sims. Restrict sound to your parcel for a start.

thats all been done...and Lindens came to my property to check out lag problems. He stated for a mainland, it was actually very good on lag. We work very hard on keeping lag down on our end. We even changed out our textures to sooth the lag. We was told then that the neighbors..[the very ones causing this grief] had to do the same with their textures, which hasn't been done. Anything with scripting too will cause lag, ..anything that moves will cause lag..Its not just us..but we are getting hammered on. Its not fair. Its harrashment. and LL is allowing it to happen. They can't tell us during an inspection we are fine. then a month later another linden charges us with violations over the very thing we had the other linden rep check for.

It's mainland, of course you have a right to operate your business. But you have to respect your neighbors as well. If you own half a sim, and your business (including campers) fill the sim to capacity so that others can't even get onto their parcels, how is that fair? I have a feeling that this might be why some of your chairs were returned. If you were told you had too much traffic to your outlet store one day, I think this is probably the problem.

If you have this much traffic, why the camping chairs?

Maybe play a different game for awhile to get your mind off things until this is resolved? Your rl and sl is up to you to deal with both the good and the bad, especially on the internet, and decide how you want to deal with it in the best possible way for you to reach a solution to this "harassment" you speak of whilst keeping all the records or evidence you can.

forget I said a thing. Obviously no one cares about the business owners. Simple fact is ..I bought this land before any residents rented lots. They moved in next to me. WHY? so they could later complain? As far as I am concern this isn't over..but the discussion is.

I live in Mainland, and have had a variety of neighbours in those 18 months that I live there.

The worst problem that i had was a mall with some 15 lucky chairs that shouted the new letter every 3 minutes. I talked to the owner and she imediately silenced the chairs. Next day, I've helped her to chance the chairs to wisper the new letter.

Just now I have a mall, 2 stores and a BDSM cattle as neighbours. The mall has a few camp chairs, one of the stores, 2 lucky chairs, the mall uses to hostage 2-3 parties each week, but none causes me any major problem.

Mystique, it seems that all your problems with your neighbours started with your lack of respect with them at first. Think in terms of RL: would you like if a club moved to your side, playng musics at high volume while you are trying to sleep? If the answer is "no" you must assume that you can't do the same in SL.

That's not what anyone said. From your first post, it does sound as though your club and business impinge on neighbours - that's what people are saying isn't right. You're free to do most things on your own land, but not things that impinge on neighbours. We are not *totally* free to do as we like.

The reason why only some of your campers were returned, and not all of them, is no doubt because the Linden who did it has his/her own ideas, and not all Lindens have the same ideas. Perhaps s/he figured that, since you own half the sim, you are entitled to half the number of avs (20), and since you have a club that no doubt has events that plenty of people attend, 4 campers is ok but not 10. Another Linden might have seen things differently.