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Dakota Tebaldi

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11-10-2009 16:18

From: Pserendipity Daniels

Fixed it for ya!

Still yet another mantra of the immature. Watching you post is like opening Pandora's Box, if Pandora's Box was filled with pathetic.

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11-10-2009 19:35

From: Phil Deakins

/me shakes his head is disbelief... and wanders off bemused...

Phil,

I can't remember ever being in as much agreement with you as I have been in this thread.

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11-11-2009 01:15

From: Dakota Tebaldi

Still yet another mantra of the immature. Watching you post is like opening Pandora's Box, if Pandora's Box was filled with pathetic.

2/10, but at least you are trying.

Pep (Very trying!)

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11-11-2009 02:56

From: Kidd Krasner

Phil,

I can't remember ever being in as much agreement with you as I have been in this thread.

I sometimes think the same about Argent.

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11-11-2009 03:32

From: Phil Deakins

I sometimes think the same about Argos.

What is the catalogue shop's relevance?

Pep (Is this another prong of your FUD argument?)

PS ROFLMAOPMSL - Back to editing again, eh?

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Nyx Alsop

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11-11-2009 05:45

Surely tho, the f-word, is not going to offend anyone over the age of 18? infact It's not going to offend anyone under the age of 18 either.

A better question, is the indirect use even offensive at all?

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11-11-2009 06:17

From: Nyx Alsop

Surely tho, the f-word, is not going to offend anyone over the age of 18? infact It's not going to offend anyone under the age of 18 either.

You are mistaken about that.

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11-11-2009 06:22

From: Nyx Alsop

Surely tho, the f-word, is not going to offend anyone over the age of 18? infact It's not going to offend anyone under the age of 18 either.

A better question, is the indirect use even offensive at all?

I agree. I honestly dont know what teh fuss is about. I think it's a case of peopel being offended by something they can hear and grasp on to instead of being offended by the real obscenties in our Real world.

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11-11-2009 06:39

From: Nyx Alsop

Surely tho, the f-word, is not going to offend anyone over the age of 18? infact It's not going to offend anyone under the age of 18 either.

A better question, is the indirect use even offensive at all?

You're kidding, right?

A lot of people are offended by the F-word.

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Scylla Rhiadra

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11-11-2009 06:47

From: Nyx Alsop

Surely tho, the f-word, is not going to offend anyone over the age of 18? infact It's not going to offend anyone under the age of 18 either.

A better question, is the indirect use even offensive at all?

Nyx, if you think that no one is offended by the "f-word," why are you, here, in a adult forum, calling it the "f-word"?

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11-11-2009 07:24

From: Scylla Rhiadra

Nyx, if you think that no one is offended by the "f-word," why are you, here, in a adult forum, calling it the "f-word"?

Re "adult" -- You're confusing explicit content with people over 18.

And yes, maybe where SOME people come from, "the F-Word" is not considered anything more than another adjective,noun, or verb.

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11-11-2009 07:29

From: Scylla Rhiadra

Nyx, if you think that no one is offended by the "f-word," why are you, here, in a adult forum, calling it the "f-word"?

To be fair, though, this forum isn't "adult" in that sense, right? The website is supposed to be all PG, so Nyx could be following the rules without believing that those rules are preventing anybody from being offended.

FWIW, it seems to me that if the f-word didn't offend anybody, it would scarcely be worth using.

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11-11-2009 08:15

From: Holocluck Henly

Re "adult" -- You're confusing explicit content with people over 18.

And yes, maybe where SOME people come from, "the F-Word" is not considered anything more than another adjective,noun, or verb.

From: Qie Niangao

To be fair, though, this forum isn't "adult" in that sense, right? The website is supposed to be all PG, so Nyx could be following the rules without believing that those rules are preventing anybody from being offended.

You're both right, of course: "Adult," in the sense of "explicit," doesn't mean the same thing as 18+. But in a sense, that's my point: Nyx is implying, by suggesting that "f**k" is not offensive, that it is also not therefore "Adult." If it IS considered "explicit content," and therefore not permissible on a forum that is only "PG," that constitutes proof positive that it IS offensive to some people.

From: Qie Niangao

FWIW, it seems to me that if the f-word didn't offend anybody, it would scarcely be worth using.

Exactly, and very much to the point, I think.

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Nyx Alsop

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11-12-2009 09:18

I used the f-word to get emotion across, not to offend.

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11-12-2009 10:05

From: Nyx Alsop

I used the f-word to get emotion across, not to offend.

Then pick up a dictionary and find another word to express your emotion. Like an adult would do.

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11-12-2009 11:01

From: Qie Niangao

To be fair, though, this forum isn't "adult" in that sense, right? The website is supposed to be all PG, so Nyx could be following the rules without believing that those rules are preventing anybody from being offended.

FWIW, it seems to me that if the f-word didn't offend anybody, it would scarcely be worth using.

Fuckin A!

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11-12-2009 13:49

From: Nyx Alsop

I used the f-word to get emotion across, not to offend.

So does all the other trailer park trash.

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11-12-2009 14:31

From: Kitty Barnett

There is no freedom of speech on a private service.

That said: yes, you can AR everyone you come across who's profile isn't PG. Noone tends to bother though, unless they have a reason to "get even" with someone or simply want to do it out of spite.

Just because the AR on you got handled doesn't automatically mean there's a "FIC conspiracy" here though.

And it would be hard for anyone to comment without knowing exactly what the pick said either (the forums are PG too so don't reconstruct it here

). It might have been solely about the "f-word" but the Linden might have considered it harassment as well, or half a dozen other things that made them feel like you crossed a line.

The email you were sent should have a section on how to "appeal" as well.

They dont bother because they do NOT get results!!! Apparently you have to know someone.......

Dick McMinnar

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11-12-2009 18:01

From: Pserendipity Daniels

Wrong again.

Pep (The only rules that apply are the ToS/Guidlelines; civility is irrelevant.)

Spoken like a true elitist troll.

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Dick McMinnar

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11-12-2009 18:03

From: Pserendipity Daniels

Hypocrisy, thy name is Pserendipity.

Fixed.

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Originally Posted by Stroker Serpentine
“I’m not some kind of noob,” Catteneo said. “My name isn’t on file. I don’t even have a permanent address either.”
Originally Posted by Lias Leandros
"In the United States the courts ruled no child is involved in avatar depictions on the internet. Wat are you talking about?"

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11-12-2009 18:06

Seems funny to me that if one actually abides by the "profiles need to be PG" rule, your freedom of speech isn't actually impeded at all lol. Interesting thread title too.. Nope sorry, it's not any sort of free speech issue.. so there's no need to sound the "hey your rights are secretly being trampled on" siren to try to make it everyone elses battle as well. No defiant rally cries when you get caught, just read the rules next time and avoid it all together

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11-12-2009 18:15

From: Pserendipity Daniels

When the females stop bashing me would seem a good time to stop. I should point out that the cancerous death threat was subsequently repeated, although not using quite such appalling language, presumably to avoid an almost certain ban. Wishing death by cancer is obviously seen as acceptable and not a transgression of the Forum Guidelines, as is evident from the support the originator of the deathwish seems to have garnered here.

Would it be better if someone wished you would die of the clap?

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Originally Posted by Stroker Serpentine
“I’m not some kind of noob,” Catteneo said. “My name isn’t on file. I don’t even have a permanent address either.”
Originally Posted by Lias Leandros
"In the United States the courts ruled no child is involved in avatar depictions on the internet. Wat are you talking about?"

Dick McMinnar

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11-12-2009 18:18

From: Pserendipity Daniels

Pep (Very lame!)

/fixed

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Originally Posted by Stroker Serpentine
“I’m not some kind of noob,” Catteneo said. “My name isn’t on file. I don’t even have a permanent address either.”
Originally Posted by Lias Leandros
"In the United States the courts ruled no child is involved in avatar depictions on the internet. Wat are you talking about?"

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11-12-2009 18:59

From: Pserendipity Daniels

Pep (I discovered that "females" were irrational and emotional at that point, and that they therefore had no mechanism for convincing me of the rectitude of their opinions.)

TWO Thumbs up!

Interesting thing tho.... Seeing how LL is located in the most liberal, hippie-run, deep-in-debt, heavily taxed State in the USA......

It likes to come up with rules that their own Hippie Brains would probably fight against.

I guess they learned "Free Love" and "Communes" didnt work

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A New Blow for Freedom of Speech?
Dakota Tebaldi Voodoo Child Join date: 6 Feb 2008 Posts: 1,873	11-10-2009 16:18 From: Pserendipity Daniels Fixed it for ya! Still yet another mantra of the immature. Watching you post is like opening Pandora's Box, if Pandora's Box was filled with pathetic. _____________________ "...Dakota will grow up to be very scary... but in a HOT and desireable kind of way." - 3Ring Binder "I really do think it's a pity he didnt "age" himself to 18." - Jig Chippewa
Kidd Krasner Registered User Join date: 1 Jan 2007 Posts: 1,938	11-10-2009 19:35 From: Phil Deakins /me shakes his head is disbelief... and wanders off bemused... Phil, I can't remember ever being in as much agreement with you as I have been in this thread.
Pserendipity Daniels Assume sarcasm as default Join date: 21 Dec 2006 Posts: 8,839	11-11-2009 01:15 From: Dakota Tebaldi Still yet another mantra of the immature. Watching you post is like opening Pandora's Box, if Pandora's Box was filled with pathetic. 2/10, but at least you are trying. Pep (Very trying!) _____________________ Hypocrite lecteur, — mon semblable, — mon frère!
Phil Deakins Prim Savers = low prims Join date: 17 Jan 2007 Posts: 9,537	11-11-2009 02:56 From: Kidd Krasner Phil, I can't remember ever being in as much agreement with you as I have been in this thread. I sometimes think the same about Argent. _____________________ Prim Savers - almost 1000 items of superbly crafted, top quality, very low prim furniture, and all at amazingly low prices. http://slurl.com/secondlife/Seymour/213/120/251/
Pserendipity Daniels Assume sarcasm as default Join date: 21 Dec 2006 Posts: 8,839	11-11-2009 03:32 From: Phil Deakins I sometimes think the same about Argos. What is the catalogue shop's relevance? Pep (Is this another prong of your FUD argument?) PS ROFLMAOPMSL - Back to editing again, eh? _____________________ Hypocrite lecteur, — mon semblable, — mon frère!
Nyx Alsop Registered User Join date: 14 Dec 2008 Posts: 252	11-11-2009 05:45 Surely tho, the f-word, is not going to offend anyone over the age of 18? infact It's not going to offend anyone under the age of 18 either. A better question, is the indirect use even offensive at all?
Phil Deakins Prim Savers = low prims Join date: 17 Jan 2007 Posts: 9,537	11-11-2009 06:17 From: Nyx Alsop Surely tho, the f-word, is not going to offend anyone over the age of 18? infact It's not going to offend anyone under the age of 18 either. You are mistaken about that. _____________________ Prim Savers - almost 1000 items of superbly crafted, top quality, very low prim furniture, and all at amazingly low prices. http://slurl.com/secondlife/Seymour/213/120/251/
Jig Chippewa Fine Young Cannibal Join date: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 5,150	11-11-2009 06:22 From: Nyx Alsop Surely tho, the f-word, is not going to offend anyone over the age of 18? infact It's not going to offend anyone under the age of 18 either. A better question, is the indirect use even offensive at all? I agree. I honestly dont know what teh fuss is about. I think it's a case of peopel being offended by something they can hear and grasp on to instead of being offended by the real obscenties in our Real world. _____________________ Fine Young Cannibal
Milla Janick Empress Of The Universe Join date: 2 Jan 2008 Posts: 3,075	11-11-2009 06:39 From: Nyx Alsop Surely tho, the f-word, is not going to offend anyone over the age of 18? infact It's not going to offend anyone under the age of 18 either. A better question, is the indirect use even offensive at all? You're kidding, right? A lot of people are offended by the F-word. _____________________ http://www.avatarsunited.com/avatars/milla-janick All those moments will be lost in time... like tears in rain...
Scylla Rhiadra Gentle is Human Join date: 11 Oct 2008 Posts: 4,427	11-11-2009 06:47 From: Nyx Alsop Surely tho, the f-word, is not going to offend anyone over the age of 18? infact It's not going to offend anyone under the age of 18 either. A better question, is the indirect use even offensive at all? Nyx, if you think that no one is offended by the "f-word," why are you, here, in a adult forum, calling it the "f-word"? _____________________ Scylla Rhiadra
Holocluck Henly Holographic Clucktor Join date: 11 Apr 2008 Posts: 552	11-11-2009 07:24 From: Scylla Rhiadra Nyx, if you think that no one is offended by the "f-word," why are you, here, in a adult forum, calling it the "f-word"? Re "adult" -- You're confusing explicit content with people over 18. And yes, maybe where SOME people come from, "the F-Word" is not considered anything more than another adjective,noun, or verb. _____________________ Photostream: www.flickr.com/photos/holocluck Holocluck's Henhouse: New Eyes on the Grid: holocluck@blogspot
Qie Niangao Coin-operated Join date: 24 May 2006 Posts: 7,138	11-11-2009 07:29 From: Scylla Rhiadra Nyx, if you think that no one is offended by the "f-word," why are you, here, in a adult forum, calling it the "f-word"? To be fair, though, this forum isn't "adult" in that sense, right? The website is supposed to be all PG, so Nyx could be following the rules without believing that those rules are preventing anybody from being offended. FWIW, it seems to me that if the f-word didn't offend anybody, it would scarcely be worth using. _____________________ Archived for Your Protection
Scylla Rhiadra Gentle is Human Join date: 11 Oct 2008 Posts: 4,427	11-11-2009 08:15 From: Holocluck Henly Re "adult" -- You're confusing explicit content with people over 18. And yes, maybe where SOME people come from, "the F-Word" is not considered anything more than another adjective,noun, or verb. From: Qie Niangao To be fair, though, this forum isn't "adult" in that sense, right? The website is supposed to be all PG, so Nyx could be following the rules without believing that those rules are preventing anybody from being offended. You're both right, of course: "Adult," in the sense of "explicit," doesn't mean the same thing as 18+. But in a sense, that's my point: Nyx is implying, by suggesting that "f**k" is not offensive, that it is also not therefore "Adult." If it IS considered "explicit content," and therefore not permissible on a forum that is only "PG," that constitutes proof positive that it IS offensive to some people. From: Qie Niangao FWIW, it seems to me that if the f-word didn't offend anybody, it would scarcely be worth using. Exactly, and very much to the point, I think. _____________________ Scylla Rhiadra
Nyx Alsop Registered User Join date: 14 Dec 2008 Posts: 252	11-12-2009 09:18 I used the f-word to get emotion across, not to offend.
Chris Norse Loud Arrogant Redneck Join date: 1 Oct 2006 Posts: 5,735	11-12-2009 10:05 From: Nyx Alsop I used the f-word to get emotion across, not to offend. Then pick up a dictionary and find another word to express your emotion. Like an adult would do. _____________________ I'm going to pick a fight William Wallace, Braveheart “Rules are mostly made to be broken and are too often for the lazy to hide behind” Douglas MacArthur FULL
Brenda Connolly Un United Avatar Join date: 10 Jan 2007 Posts: 25,000	11-12-2009 11:01 From: Qie Niangao To be fair, though, this forum isn't "adult" in that sense, right? The website is supposed to be all PG, so Nyx could be following the rules without believing that those rules are preventing anybody from being offended. FWIW, it seems to me that if the f-word didn't offend anybody, it would scarcely be worth using. Fuckin A!
TundraFire Nightfire Permafrostbilly Join date: 5 Apr 2008 Posts: 532	11-12-2009 13:49 From: Nyx Alsop I used the f-word to get emotion across, not to offend. So does all the other trailer park trash. _____________________ ARCTIC FIRE http://slurl.com/secondlife/nordica/90/250/22 "OK, so what's the speed of dark?"
Tarina Sewell Just Browsing Thank you Join date: 20 Jul 2007 Posts: 2,180	11-12-2009 14:31 From: Kitty Barnett There is no freedom of speech on a private service. That said: yes, you can AR everyone you come across who's profile isn't PG. Noone tends to bother though, unless they have a reason to "get even" with someone or simply want to do it out of spite. Just because the AR on you got handled doesn't automatically mean there's a "FIC conspiracy" here though. And it would be hard for anyone to comment without knowing exactly what the pick said either (the forums are PG too so don't reconstruct it here ). It might have been solely about the "f-word" but the Linden might have considered it harassment as well, or half a dozen other things that made them feel like you crossed a line. The email you were sent should have a section on how to "appeal" as well. They dont bother because they do NOT get results!!! Apparently you have to know someone.......
Dick McMinnar Call me Richard Join date: 27 Aug 2008 Posts: 127	11-12-2009 18:01 From: Pserendipity Daniels Wrong again. Pep (The only rules that apply are the ToS/Guidlelines; civility is irrelevant.) Spoken like a true elitist troll. _____________________ http://tinyurl.com/ml5x3u Originally Posted by Stroker Serpentine “I’m not some kind of noob,” Catteneo said. “My name isn’t on file. I don’t even have a permanent address either.” Originally Posted by Lias Leandros "In the United States the courts ruled no child is involved in avatar depictions on the internet. Wat are you talking about?"
Dick McMinnar Call me Richard Join date: 27 Aug 2008 Posts: 127	11-12-2009 18:03 From: Pserendipity Daniels Hypocrisy, thy name is Pserendipity. Fixed. _____________________ http://tinyurl.com/ml5x3u Originally Posted by Stroker Serpentine “I’m not some kind of noob,” Catteneo said. “My name isn’t on file. I don’t even have a permanent address either.” Originally Posted by Lias Leandros "In the United States the courts ruled no child is involved in avatar depictions on the internet. Wat are you talking about?"
Dana Hickman Leather & Lace™ Join date: 10 Oct 2006 Posts: 1,515	11-12-2009 18:06 Seems funny to me that if one actually abides by the "profiles need to be PG" rule, your freedom of speech isn't actually impeded at all lol. Interesting thread title too.. Nope sorry, it's not any sort of free speech issue.. so there's no need to sound the "hey your rights are secretly being trampled on" siren to try to make it everyone elses battle as well. No defiant rally cries when you get caught, just read the rules next time and avoid it all together _____________________ ~Friendship is like peeing your pants... ~ ~Everyone can see it, but only you can feel its true warmth~
Dick McMinnar Call me Richard Join date: 27 Aug 2008 Posts: 127	11-12-2009 18:15 From: Pserendipity Daniels When the females stop bashing me would seem a good time to stop. I should point out that the cancerous death threat was subsequently repeated, although not using quite such appalling language, presumably to avoid an almost certain ban. Wishing death by cancer is obviously seen as acceptable and not a transgression of the Forum Guidelines, as is evident from the support the originator of the deathwish seems to have garnered here. Would it be better if someone wished you would die of the clap? _____________________ http://tinyurl.com/ml5x3u Originally Posted by Stroker Serpentine “I’m not some kind of noob,” Catteneo said. “My name isn’t on file. I don’t even have a permanent address either.” Originally Posted by Lias Leandros "In the United States the courts ruled no child is involved in avatar depictions on the internet. Wat are you talking about?"
Dick McMinnar Call me Richard Join date: 27 Aug 2008 Posts: 127	11-12-2009 18:18 From: Pserendipity Daniels Pep (Very lame!) /fixed _____________________ http://tinyurl.com/ml5x3u Originally Posted by Stroker Serpentine “I’m not some kind of noob,” Catteneo said. “My name isn’t on file. I don’t even have a permanent address either.” Originally Posted by Lias Leandros "In the United States the courts ruled no child is involved in avatar depictions on the internet. Wat are you talking about?"
Tod69 Talamasca The Human Tripod ;) Join date: 20 Sep 2005 Posts: 4,107	11-12-2009 18:59 From: Pserendipity Daniels Pep (I discovered that "females" were irrational and emotional at that point, and that they therefore had no mechanism for convincing me of the rectitude of their opinions.) TWO Thumbs up! Interesting thing tho.... Seeing how LL is located in the most liberal, hippie-run, deep-in-debt, heavily taxed State in the USA...... It likes to come up with rules that their own Hippie Brains would probably fight against. I guess they learned "Free Love" and "Communes" didnt work _____________________ really pissy & mean right now and NOT happy with Life.

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