A New Blow for Freedom of Speech?

Yesterday in world I visited a region, where people where very off with me, for no reason so I added it to my picks explaning what had happend and yes I used the F word in there a couple of times.

Then about an hour later, someone who is in charge there IMs me, we chat for about 5 minuites and then I get logged out Second Life by an admin and they ban me for SL for one hour and send me an email, telling me I have a non PG profile and need to change it.

It was pritty clear the person who owned the region I was in had some LL connection and that's why this happend.

Why is the F word so not allowed? yet theres enough people with horse sex etc, in theirs? and don't PG films allow some use of swear words..

I find it absolutley awful, that a Linden has just gone in and done this, for the pure reason they were friends with the person who had the region. If this has been another region, this would NEVER of happend.

Is there no one at Linden Labs I can actually talk to about this? who's a little higher up than the staff in world?

Thanks.


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I just want to add some things

The F word was no directed at someone it was used indirectly to quote "Yeah F-ing Right", so please don't think I was using it AT someone.

My big problem is not even the PG thing, it's that it's been used an excuse for a Linden to go and do this to me for a friend, if they cared about this, they would go and stop 90% of profiles that contain sexual lated content(such as groups).

I also want to add, PG here is not really PG someone said "They wouldn't want their kids seeing it" well erm.......It's still an 18+ game even in those PG areas, there are no kids, and is "Yeah f-ing right" really not PG?

It's just bias BS done against me because a Linden wanted to show off to their friend. If they really cared, they would just have automate detection for swear words and not let you put them in the profile in the first place.

Hi Nyx.

Come to http://www.secondcitizen.net/Forum/, register and post this message naming the names including the Linden.

No Linden ever contacted me, just the "Logged out by Admin" and the email from them.

There is no freedom of speech on a private service.

That said: yes, you can AR everyone you come across who's profile isn't PG. Noone tends to bother though, unless they have a reason to "get even" with someone or simply want to do it out of spite.

Just because the AR on you got handled doesn't automatically mean there's a "FIC conspiracy" here though.

And it would be hard for anyone to comment without knowing exactly what the pick said either (the forums are PG too so don't reconstruct it here ). It might have been solely about the "f-word" but the Linden might have considered it harassment as well, or half a dozen other things that made them feel like you crossed a line.

The email you were sent should have a section on how to "appeal" as well.

Profiles should be PG and, just because some others get away with them not being PG, doesn't mean that it's ok. It's not difficult to write stuff in the profile that gives the information you want without using bad language.

If I took the F word out, I'm sure the email would of been for something else...

Profiles being restricted to PG is lame.

We should be able to check our profile as a "adult" so it is removed from non-adult searches.

LL's enforcement is lazy and at best prejudicial.

Swearing, nudity, and sex are not allowed in PG. This is not new and you checked your freedoms at the door when you agreed to the TOS like everyone else. (^_^)y

I have had to apologize profusely on many occasions to avoid the rush of concerned citizens in PG and child "safe" aeas.
The solution is simple. I hope it's the same for you.
I don't use the F word in a profile. I keep only one PG piece of land now for the architecture. A real architect designed thehouse for me and it stays as long as I am in sl. I am even wary of my radio station. Vigilantes abound and I, for one, fear them in sl.
Other than that I avoid PG. Dont swear in PG and don't have F words in my profile.

In real I swear a lot. I am English by birth and some nature and we swear. The "F word" (what a laugh!) is not even regarded as an oath now but more like an adjective/verb/link words etc. This is more my generation I reckon. But, it's common enough not to raise eyebrows. Hence the following:

"F**k! The f**king f**ker's f**king f**ked!"

which I have heard when my car was in for repairs at a garage.

Remember, that SL is essentially American and they're still having a hard time with words like "Gosh darn!"
Don't antagonize the PG Moral Army. They'll invade Zindra. And then I'm well and truly f**ked!

Not where *I* am.
Rhonda doesn't seem to have any problems using it.

Pep (My observation is that it is the over-emotional "females" that tend to use it here when they lose control, which is pretty frequently.)

What is the point in the PG tho?

Kids are not allowed period.

I'm all for having the sex stuff, out of peoples faces but indirect swearing?

Hypocrite!

Pep (In the nicest possible way, of course.)

The 14th Century?

What makes anyone think that just because someone is an adult, they should be exposed to profanity and obscenity? We ALL have rights, and those not MATURE enough to control themselves in mixed company should probably seek therapy if they're of age and don't belong on the teen grid altogether.

I'll say it again: Second Life wasn't made for sexual encounters and adult content. It was made for all people 18 and over and accommodates people who wish to pursue aspects of their sexuality and role play within legal limits. Being over 18 they trust you're aware there's a time and place for everyone and everything.

Also: unless you're paying for their US$300 per month to maintain the sim, you aren't in a position to decide what is and isn't acceptable there.

Sure you have rights. Agreed. But why impose Yourself on me? We are constantly exposed to what many of us might well consider obscenity (and I am NOT going there in this thread) but we accept the roleplays of many who, in turn, demand we "play along" with them. And I'm talking PG populations here - NOT adult.

An environment where the use of appropriately descriptive words with more than one syllable is encouraged, even among pre-teeners.

Pep (Ones you would find in the dictionary, rather than made-up ones.)

It is *you* who has voluntarily accepted the ToS on signup.

Pep (No-one has imposed anything on you.)

PS If you *want* to expose yourself to obscenity then that's fine, but don't *you* impose it on anyone else.)

Methodist.

No one's imposing anything on anyone are they? Isnt this his profile he's on about? If you don't like it, don't read it.
Honestly, Pep, sometimes you sound like teh Witchhunter General (who is NOT a welcome historial figure in my family's household)

And dont stir it up. Your wife should give you a wooden spoon for Christmas.

Although I do swear a little - not a lot - I don't do it in RL public, and I don't like hearing it much in RL public. Not everyone is happy with f this and f that - a lot of people are *not* happy with it. SL is no different. Adult people do not automatically swear and are not automatically content with it.

That's rubbish, and you know it.

I am snooting my nose in the air and looking the other way. So there!

Awesome forum, Briana. Thanks! I put you down as my referrer.

ya'll should get over there just to see Briana's avatar - presumably too hot for the SL board

You're still under the delusion that everyone here wants to pursue sex, deviant sex, speak in thorough profanity, and all those other things which apparently you can't do where you live in RL. PG is a designation of behavior threshold, and not about how old participants are in SL. ALL participants are of age unless they're here against the terms. I'd be surprised if most of those SL Kids weren't older than you.

PG *isn't* about the SLKids. It is about theshold as mentioned. I know you can't believe some people don't need to pursue the things you pursue, but see that's diversity. Not everyone MUST be coming to SL for the poseballs. There are many cultures coming here, and they all have their interests.

Second Life is a big place. You don't have to violate MY rights or others. Go where your range of vocabulary and activity is accepted. There's lots of places for it. No one is oppressing anyone. It's there for you to act out freely.

Ditto for Mature land. Mature being a relative concept given the conversation. On your property or someone's where it's accepted, go for it. If someone has a PG event on their mature land, you have no right to disrespect them.

Unless you're there to flash people not interested for pure shock value. That's where you're violating the rights of others and griefing comes in.

Why is this such a difficult concept?

And that's mainland.

Private island? Who here has any right to decide what someone owning an island can or can't allow within the range of the TOS?

If the OP was hot enough under the collar to blast them in his picks using profanity or whatever, then I highly doubt that it was just a "chat" he had with "someone in charge". As for that person in charge being "connected", probably not, just a concierge customer who was able to raise support in chat and provide a log and reference to the OP's profile.