Traffic no longer used in search??
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Lexxi Gynoid
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03-03-2009 07:48
From: 3Ring Binder Lexxi, there are some dancers that do start with dancing and end with more sexual goals. I worked at a place called "Chains of Captivity." I was a "slave" of the place. I stripped on a pole or on the chair. Emoting to the people around me. My services were on offer. No one ever took me up on that.
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Kasuga Hax
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03-03-2009 07:48
From: Lexxi Gynoid I worked for, thinking hard here . . .. I worked for roughly 3 months in a club. I never once performed some form of sexual service while I worked there. I was on a stage with a pole and a chair. I didn't get paid to dance directly with people.
(I should probably log into the forum as Sonia or something, Lexxi never worked anywhere) You let your pixels be humped by other pixels, and you get paid for that. No risk of any STD's, no actual physical work involved, just faking text orgasms and get paid. Totally anonymous, and no risk of violence either. Pay up front and done is the business. You know, it's probably not that bad. It just takes a special kind of person to actually pay for pixels being humped. The prostitute is the actual winner here. respect!
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Cristalle Karami
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03-03-2009 07:52
From: Oni Horan sorry to burst the bubble, but saying that traffic adds no value is simply stupid. when people search for places of course they want places that have a lot of visitors. BECAUSE its so meaningfull it pays off to get bot networks and whatnot. i see no way around this either, its not exactly easy to prevent it, how will you spot bots? once theres no rules, people will simply bother equiping them and giving them complex profiles. the way i see it its not overly simple to get up huge botnetworks, you need to invest either a lot of work or a lot of money, so in the end its a concept similar to classifieds, where the people with more resources get more views. the difference is that places like mine, that do generate high amounts of traffic cheatingfree, still get to show up in between. Traffic only means something if you're looking for a club. Other than that, it is meaningless - who cares if a shop has little traffic? Does it have nice looking clothes, to you? Is the furniture low prim, or as detailed as you want? Does the vehicle have a sculpted frame? Does that jewelry bling? I'm so sick of the herd mentality. Even though I like a good sale, I don't necessarily want to look like everyone else.
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Royce Boa
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03-03-2009 08:00
From: 3Ring Binder i have been in SL for over 2 years now, and i have ALWAYS camped. i have bought land, spent more $ on buying other people's merchandise than i can even try to remember (for this account and almost EVERY alt), had 3 paying memberships, and cashed out. once upon a time i was embarrassed to admit that i camped, and i said i bought lindens. that was an outright lie. i have never ever ever put one single, solitary dime into SL. i use money from SL to pay for SL. if SL cannot support itself for me, i will not input $$ into it. the end. some people thumb there noses at campers, but i think it's a far bigger laugh on them to be able to say that i've been floating for free all this time, and nothing has come out of my pockets. in fact, $ has gone IN TO my pockets. i think i am clever and mock those who laugh at me - while they or their neighbors pay my tier and membership fees so i can play for free.  chumps! This post is why Linden Labs would probably not mind eliminating camping all together. This line in particular. "...i have never ever ever put one single, solitary dime into SL." Linden Labs is a business that needs to generate profits. I poured my own money into SL in the beginning ..and I am only now at a point that I generate good profit with my SL business, and have no need to spend my own money in here anymore. All tier and all ovehead is now covered by what I make in SL. I put some of my profit back into SL by hiring staff, and paying out lots of Lindens in prize money in my events, which I much prefer doing then having camping chairs. This all generates real traffic numbers and real interest in my place, rather then fake traffic with bots and campers. I personally wont miss traffic playing a role in search if they get rid of it.
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Royce Boa
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03-03-2009 08:09
LMAO at people taking the moral high ground concerning "prostitution" in SL.
Its pixels.
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Sling Trebuchet
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03-03-2009 08:09
From: Oni Horan ...... so in the end its a concept similar to classifieds, where the people with more resources get more views........ The model for a Search is that the entities with most relevancy to the search criteria get listed highest. The model for Classifieds is that those that pay most get the highest placements. Should places that are busier/more_popular get listed higher in Classified than places that have paid more for a Classified? Most people, myself included, would answer 'No. However, to turn your point around, in the end it's a concept similar to Search where people with more traffic get more views.
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Eli Schlegal
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03-03-2009 08:15
From: 3Ring Binder i'm 'assumed' it was dancing that turned to stripping that turned to sexual favors. as noted above, i'm a whore too. just not the dancing/stripping/sexing kind.  I have more respect for the dancing/stripping/sexing kind. At least she is DOING something. (or someone) 
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Jerboa Haystack
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03-03-2009 08:18
I ignore traffic..or rather, I discard high traffic numbers.
For a store, I could care less about traffic. If they have nice things, I'll buy them. Usually I start my shopping on xstreet, sorted by price. So traffic has ZERO impact on what merchant I choose to shop at.
For a club, high traffic is a turnoff for me. I would much rather be at a club with 10-15 people, listen to good music, dance, socialize, and not fight lag.
I don't RP, but that would be the only time traffic would matter to me. If I were picking an RP sim, I would want one that was well populated.
I am a consumer. I spend my entertainment money on SL. I *could* try to make money here. But SL is, and will remain, fun for me or I won't stay. But I have nothing against those who do not put money into SL. If LL wanted to see income from every resident, then they wouldn't have free accounts.
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spinster Voom
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03-03-2009 08:38
In the sense that campers are whores of a different type, any time any of us do something for money we are whores. If you enjoy dancing and/or find it profitable then why not? Ditto for escorting. This isn't RL and the sex industry here does not carry the same risks.
Not everybody can be a dancer, though: it's not a suitable profession for a huge variety of avatar types and even "normal" looking men have far fewer opportunities to earn money in this way. It's also not suitable for complete newbies who haven't got enough $L to put together a decent avatar yet and it's these complete newbies for whom camping can fill an important gap.
I camped for quite a while when I first started. A good rate back then was around $L4/10 minutes and it was easy to find sociable places to camp with real, live, awake people. With the advent of bot-camping, places like that are very hard to find. If/when traffic ceases to matter at all it will make it a bit harder for people just getting started.
The trouble is, it's very difficult to think of ways for new residents to earn money doing something productive unless they already have relevant skills such as texturing. It's all very well telling people to just buy some $L but many are not willing to enter payment details until they are reasonably sure they are going to be around for a while. I don't know what the answer to this is, but I think the SL economy would be healthier if there were more genuine job opportunities for newbies and the lower skilled.
I have mixed feelings on traffic. Bot-farms are very annoying if they prevent me from entering a sim, which has happened just while trying to drive along a Linden road. On the other hand, I find them quite good (if creepy) fun if I find a box full of them somewhere. Traffic numbers in search also let me know where not to bother trying to shop because chances are it will be too laggy.
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Phil Deakins
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03-03-2009 08:46
From: Lexxi Gynoid Searching places isn't really as good, but still a lot better, for me, than All. All is filled, as it would seem to imply with the world "all", with everything. I don't want someone's name, or some group, or whatever if I'm looking for, say, Shakespearean wigs. Filter the results by Places. Solved 
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Phil Deakins
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03-03-2009 08:59
From: spinster Voom Traffic numbers in search also let me know where not to bother trying to shop because chances are it will be too laggy. That's often, maybe usually, a misconcenption. Well-used traffic bots are so far out of the way of people that they don't cause any problems at all. We do hear of some bot groups that are badly placed, but I doubt that many are.
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White Hyacinth
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03-03-2009 09:06
From: Briana Dawson Wow that looks like it is about 500 bots worth of traffic just from that screen shot alone!!  I think a traffic number of 74916 means about 50 avatars (bot or non-bot) there 24/7. Makes me wonder what the maximum possible traffic number really is: Isn't 50 avatars the maximum possible in a sim?
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Nimue Jewell
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03-03-2009 09:17
From: White Hyacinth I think a traffic number of 74916 means about 50 avatars (bot or non-bot) there 24/7. Makes me wonder what the maximum possible traffic number really is: Isn't 50 avatars the maximum possible in a sim? Private estates can be set to allow 100 avatars, though I believe there is a way to get even more than that in.
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Scott Savira
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03-03-2009 09:31
From: Jerboa Haystack For a club, high traffic is a turnoff for me. I would much rather be at a club with 10-15 people, listen to good music, dance, socialize, and not fight lag.
I don't RP, but that would be the only time traffic would matter to me. If I were picking an RP sim, I would want one that was well populated. Most RP sims with high traffic are so laggy you can't do much of anything. Many of the more popular ones are rife with noobs. Pretty much the same problem you highlighted when you referred to clubs. Myself, I prefer RP sims with 10-15 people, nobody blabbering out-of-character, and creative, literate emoting. Not so big on meters either.
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Cristalle Karami
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03-03-2009 09:33
From: White Hyacinth I think a traffic number of 74916 means about 50 avatars (bot or non-bot) there 24/7. Makes me wonder what the maximum possible traffic number really is: Isn't 50 avatars the maximum possible in a sim? That place could probably sustain that amount without bots, if traffic was measured on a day with a live music event. But then, a lot of the ballroom/jazz places have a lot of traffic round the clock because they are romantic places with nice music.
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spinster Voom
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03-03-2009 09:46
From: Phil Deakins That's often, maybe usually, a misconcenption. Well-used traffic bots are so far out of the way of people that they don't cause any problems at all. We do hear of some bot groups that are badly placed, but I doubt that many are. Ah well, there you go ... the average punter is not going to know that. I wonder how many others avoid high-traffic stores for the same reason. Perhaps you should put something in the parcel description, like "don't worry about the high traffic, folks, it's all just bots-in-the-sky!" 
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Neptune Shelman
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03-03-2009 09:50
From: Phil Deakins That's often, maybe usually, a misconcenption. Well-used traffic bots are so far out of the way of people that they don't cause any problems at all. We do hear of some bot groups that are badly placed, but I doubt that many are. I disagree bots are the bain of SL, traffic bots just sat around to give the owner a false rating for their store. Only benefit the store owner, they are detremental to all other owners of plots within a sim. Land bots snap up any land mistakenly priced in seconds causing problems for many newer users on the mainland. So called usefull greeters, bartender bots take up some of the 40 avatar places on a mainland sim, are impersonal and completely pointless as scripts are freely available to provide low level interaction. I will admit to being very intollerant of bots and their usage in all aspects of SL and would love it if LL would just ban them altogether, unfortunately it doesn't seem that will be the direction LL wish to take. With respect to the search and traffic, I don't search for places because they have a high traffic, if anything I would be more likely to look for a much less laggy place, which will no doubt have low traffic. The way traffic is measured currently is of no use at all to me, as it really tells me very little, as stated earlier for my own interest I would like to see traffic measured in hits by non related avatars, there is no reason for this to be used in search listings. Eliminating the connection between traffic and search should prevent people trying to cheat the system using camping and traffic bots. Search being connected to L$ spent is also a complete waste of time, if i am looking for something in search, then I want the best match to appear first.
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Elanthius Flagstaff
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03-03-2009 10:31
From: Neptune Shelman I disagree bots are the bain of SL, traffic bots just sat around to give the owner a false rating for their store. Only benefit the store owner, they are detremental to all other owners of plots within a sim. That's a pretty limited list of bot uses you have there. Anyone who deals in large amounts of land is throwing money away if they do not use bots. The Arbor Project uses bots extensively for example. Sarah Nerd the great campaigner against bots also used bots before she went bankrupt. I use bots to create maps of my parcels, alert me to when estate parcels are abandoned, bought, have ban lines. I use bots to set the descriptions and names of the parcels, sure I use bots to send group invites but I also use bots to fetch terrain textures automatically, create custom notecards automatically, alert my rental agents when someone enters the store, I use them to manage my finances, shuffling money between them as needed and then automatically selling or buying it on the lindex as appropriate. I use bots to monitor sim performance in ways that scripts can never touch, and yes of course, I buy land automatically using bots, but I also automatically reprice the land for sale, transfer it between groups as necessary, alter parcel settings etc etc etc. Really my rental business, in fact any decent rental business, would be impossible to run without bots.
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Sling Trebuchet
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03-03-2009 10:57
From: Phil Deakins That's often, maybe usually, a misconcenption. Well-used traffic bots are so far out of the way of people that they don't cause any problems at all. We do hear of some bot groups that are badly placed, but I doubt that many are. "Well-used traffic bot" is like: Skilful burglary Elegant con-job
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Scott Savira
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03-03-2009 12:05
From: Sling Trebuchet "Well-used traffic bot"
is like:
Skilful burglary Elegant con-job Sometimes those make for really entertaining movies.
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Ghosty Kips
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03-03-2009 12:11
From: Sling Trebuchet "Well-used traffic bot"
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Skilful burglary Elegant con-job My thoughts ran off a different tangent. 
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Briana Dawson
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03-03-2009 12:13
From: Scott Savira Sometimes those make for really entertaining movies. Oceans 11
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Phil Deakins
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03-03-2009 12:14
From: Neptune Shelman I disagree bots are the bain of SL, traffic bots just sat around to give the owner a false rating for their store. Only benefit the store owner, they are detremental to all other owners of plots within a sim. You can disagree all you like but what I said it perfectly true. Read it again, because your reply doesn't address it.
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Briana Dawson
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03-03-2009 12:15
From: White Hyacinth I think a traffic number of 74916 means about 50 avatars (bot or non-bot) there 24/7. Makes me wonder what the maximum possible traffic number really is: Isn't 50 avatars the maximum possible in a sim? I was guesstimating total bots from all the listings shown on that screen shot. The most bots i have counted is 94 and the place had a 130,000 traffic. I am sure i missed some.
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Phil Deakins
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03-03-2009 12:17
From: Sling Trebuchet "Well-used traffic bot"
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Skilful burglary Elegant con-job But by far the best part is that they get up your nose 
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