Traffic no longer used in search??

I'm aware of that issue. What I mean, is they should do it with an eye to eventual and complete removal from the search feature. This step would be to see how people (namely, those not gaming it) would react to it's removal, before the actual removal. To... give them an idea of what tools they'll actually -need- for land owners to be able to judge the health of their land/business.

For the record, my best sales times are usually when my traffic is low. I've found that word of mouth does me a better turn than either the classified OR the traffic. I definitely wouldn't miss traffic.

They've had an eye to remove the traffic rankings for a long time. Replacing them with places-filtered All search results has been part of their "roadmap for search". They even did it in one RC viewer, but they changed it back because some people were having problems with using the All search displays. Last I heard is that those problems have been fixed, so there's now nothing to prevent them from implementing that part of their own roadmap.

That's good to hear! As long as when I type chair, it doesn't give me hair.... >.<

I see the point of just how damaging all these alts could be to the entire grid, if left unchecked by LL.

However in one of the bloodlines discussion posts, there was mention of someone being banned by linden labs for creating to many alts, it had something to do with making lindens through selling alt souls or something similarly irrelevant to this topic, but it does tend to indicate Linden Labs easily pick up any alts made by a person.

Maybe if true, an active maximum alt number enforcement, will help to enable a more usefull measurements of traffic, which would then be harder to game.

It baffles me what the traffic measurement actually does indicate at the moment, is it the number of combined hours spent by avatars at a particular venue.


I agree with your point though, without the ability to prevent further even more detremental affects from traffic gamers on the grid as a whole, it would be better to just leave things well alone.


I already always use the all search, and still find this to be poor, hard to narrow down places I am trying to locate without actually already having the full venue name.

I guess searching in places is even worse, another search that could do with refining is the land sales they would be far more usefull to me if they were listed with different types, ie. roadside, waterfront, hillside, alpine, flatland, rock etc. price and size alone are a pretty poor search dynamic for me and I am guessing most users, are unlikely to buy either the cheapest or most expensive listed plots by sqm and currently have to search through many listings before finding any suitable plots indicated by their descriptions, which are often completely misleading.

i'm not a whore. therefore, i camp.

you're wrong. there is a way for that very same business to appear as #1 in the ALL search, and still not have a garden.

Well, this is undoubtedly true.

First they remove OnRez, which I found much easier search system than XStreetSL. Now you want them to remove places.

Searching places isn't really as good, but still a lot better, for me, than All. All is filled, as it would seem to imply with the world "all", with everything. I don't want someone's name, or some group, or whatever if I'm looking for, say, Shakespearean wigs.

(also, and limited to computer systems, my computer just doesn't like the web-based search of All)

No it isn't. Then I get a bunch of crap about Garden groups (as in Group), and people that have garden in their name. Or put garden somewhere in their, say, advert.

Oh? There is one in that club? Well just what is all supposed to be looking if they do not look at keywords, and the like? So that club would still show up in All.

Originally Posted by Katheryne Helendale
For me, it's simple math: I can either spend two hours camping and get maybe six Lindens - which isn't doing me or the economy any good at all; or I can dance for two hours and get maybe 600 Lindens.


You are... you're just a different kind.

Doesn't bump them to the top if I'm doing the search. I re-sort for name. Then only very briefly glance at anything that has special characters (i.e., ****Doug's Garden****), and go down to look closer at "real" names.

Ya, that's because they have garden as a keyword.

And I am not now and have never been a whore. Good to know you think of me that way, though.

do you prostitute for money?

sorry to burst the bubble, but saying that traffic adds no value is simply stupid.
when people search for places of course they want places that have a lot of visitors. BECAUSE its so meaningfull it pays off to get bot networks and whatnot. i see no way around this either, its not exactly easy to prevent it, how will you spot bots? once theres no rules, people will simply bother equiping them and giving them complex profiles.
the way i see it its not overly simple to get up huge botnetworks, you need to invest either a lot of work or a lot of money, so in the end its a concept similar to classifieds, where the people with more resources get more views. the difference is that places like mine, that do generate high amounts of traffic cheatingfree, still get to show up in between.

Well, bad example. Neither search turns up anything for "Shakesperean wigs" but "Shakespeare wig" gets an interesting and quite possibly useful result from All (http://world.secondlife.com/place/b70407f0-28b0-1ce4-ba8c-63205cf66d26) and nothing from Places.

But that wasn't why I replied. I wanted to point out that the All search has a very useful Category pull-down that lets you filter just for Places (or Events, Groups, People, Wiki, or the default Any Category).

I use "All" search exclusively when possible. (Sometimes the server has been too slow to tolerate.) I especially like All for Places when shopping because I get the actual location of the object for sale, which saves a *lot* of time. But I like it for searching People, too: I get a bit more background from any other references to the person that pop up.

No, this is wrong. It is trivially simple and essentially free unless one has metered bandwidth. It is in fact *so* simple they could just as well add a slider to the parcel description for the owner to merely select how much traffic they *want*, and save the trouble of the bots hitting the login service.

She said she danced for money. You said you camped because you are not a whore.

My "trusty" dictionary says a prostitute has sex for money (which I mention because you mention prostitue to me; course a whore could be a prostitute or a promiscous woman - according to that dictionary in Word). I have never had sex for money. Maybe you know more than the information given. But as it stands you called her a whore for dancing for money.

So, since I danced way back when, by implication, I'm a whore. I have never been given money for sexual services, though. But I have danced. And therefore you think of me as a whore. (To complete the definition, promscious woman, I have not, despite what might be thougt, or implied one way or another, been promscious).

I had forgotten about the pull down. I've used that. I think. But it is all that extra work that I dislike. Find a result. Click on it. Click on something else. Eventually might figure out how to teleport there.

i'm 'assumed' it was dancing that turned to stripping that turned to sexual favors.

as noted above, i'm a whore too. just not the dancing/stripping/sexing kind.

Is using the drop down that much more work than sorting the places tab by name?

I worked for, thinking hard here . . .. I worked for roughly 3 months in a club. I never once performed some form of sexual service while I worked there. I was on a stage with a pole and a chair. I didn't get paid to dance directly with people.

(I should probably log into the forum as Sonia or something, Lexxi never worked anywhere)

That isn't the hard work I meant. I meant that you can't get the map coordinates using All. You can using place. Unless something changed. I can use Place search to find some place. Open the map to see if there is the common "bot" pattern, or just way too many people there, bot or not. Or, because of my own personality, if there is just one green dot there (shudders, they might want to talk, shudders). Can also save the landmark to search later. Can't do that, again unless they changed something, using All.

Lexxi, there are some dancers that do start with dancing and end with paid for sexual favors.

You can search by category, you know, so that it searches only places.