Damaged Linden Content... what to do?

I was purty busy last night, but I did manage to get to a couple of these...

Chalet Linden: the crowd there was filling the sim, and I was starting to have asset issues, so I will hafta go back. I did check the chair lift and skis across the water from it. Worked far better than the last time I was by there. Need to check the chalet an the other lift.

Mimas Bridge: I referring to the Montara/Hooper one before by accident. Very much the same structure in either sim. I saw the damage to Mimas' bridge. I'll do a JIRA shortly.

Mount G'al: Intact. I do wonder if the G'al related group founded by Brace Coral still does sacrifices.

Pooley Stage: I was there during the big WL meeting. I need to visit in off hours.

Pomponio Volcano: Intact.

Sutherland Dam: Looks like there might be some missing prims: I'll have to check some old photos of it, if there are any. Like Moth Temple and the crash site of the Malmute, Prokofy Neva has been involved with nearby land.

Also...

Vehicle sims: I did some poking around, but was short on time: Winter, if yer still reading this thread an have a chance, can you take some shots of problems and make a list of 'em?

Mari

Where is the malmute crash site at? I've been to, driving over, and flown by afew of these places. But some arn't known to me so I want to go look them over myself.

It's in the Columbia sim.

Here's a handy page or two with sub-pages some points of interest in world:

http://secondlife.wikia.com/wiki/Sansara

http://secondlife.wikia.com/wiki/Heterocera

The latter is missing a *lot* of places.

Mari

I went and took some pics. I hoped to capture a video.. but I couldn't get the video capture to work properly. I'll doctor up the photos tomorrow with arros and pointy out text and stuff..

The bottom line is.. it's a LOT worse than I remembered... and in fact has gotten worse since I last ran the track.

Excellent!

[QUOTE[The bottom line is.. it's a LOT worse than I remembered... and in fact has gotten worse since I last ran the track.[/QUOTE]

Not so excellent.

Mari

Mount G'al is broken and has been for a very long time.

Another feature I adored which are now borked/missing were the nighttime moth lanterns around the Moth Temple.

I saw some piccies of those. Darn shame!

Everyting looked okay at mount G'al, which shows what I know. What's borked? Ya wanna write the JIRA on it or someting?

It's the prob;em with me bein' kinda goung, SL-wise. I dunno what came before.

When one jumps in one should die as a sacrafice (that's why there's that sticky-out bit and the land is set to damage).

Ahh... well, I can now verify dat it dun work right. I dunno if I'm sad dat it dun work, or happy dat I survived. Was the damage system changed at some time, is there someting missing dat should cause us more damage there? Is G'al so mad that he or she is no longer even taking us as sacrifices?

I also checked the following in more detail:

* Chalet Linden:
Doors are missing since I was last there. A little bit of drift and a bit of bas z-flutter in one spot., likely due to the drift. This would be a relatively minor fix, I think.

* Wengen Chairlift:
Unlike the working wekk Voss Chairlift I went on last night, the Wengen one was DOA, and the return track was missing.

* Pooley Stage:
Aside from some griefer objects that likely cleaned themselves up by now, the Pooley stage was fine. I did not some bare shelves off to one side (what is that about?) and a Linden radio (owned by Torley) that can't get server key and is disabled. I see a lot of those about. probably Radio Linden.

* Duckfjord:
Seems fine, but this is a geographical item: no prims to lose

* Kerchal Woods (I gave it this name, and do not know if there is an official" name. Parcel did not have one):
Like Duckfjord, this does not have much beyond geography and Linden trees.

* Brown:
The planned city has a lot of empty parcels owned by a land seller at high price, and a lot of other builds that seem to be out of the "plan." Saw this in Boardman and Shermerville before, too. Otherwise seemed complete, and even has a legacy "building supply" kiosk with the old "I Am" sign. I'm gonna set one of those up at home I tink, just because.

* Isabel Infohub
Seemed fine, if noisy with gestures.

* Ross Falls
It and the bridge in Clarksburg behind it seem to be fine. A little weirdness with the bridge below the waterline, but not a biggie, IMO.

*Ahern Welcome Area:
Seems okay, if you discount the issues in Morris with the archery range previously detailed. Do the kiosks at any of these ever get updated?

* Teen Grid Transfer Station
Seemed complete, although the sim was moving like molasses. Saw a bit of this tonight, along with "expired_region_handoffs"

I also revisited the Moth Temple and verified (though i already knew) that the moth lamps are gone.

I'm gonna be busy on the JIRA. I'm beginning to wonder, too, if I should make some formal proposal of some nature, detailing all of the issues we've found and seeing if I can't get some LDPW movement on it, or someting. I've also dropped notes to Eric Linden and Ben Linden's apparently active non-Linden selves -- much of this content was initially created by them, and maybe -- jut maybe -- they hppened to have copies. I dunno where Xenon is now, if he's still around. I believe in dreaming big.

Really if LL does not see fit to care for their own builds then what is the point of poking them to fix them? Will you poke later when they forget again?

Really these builds do not constitute the world of Second Life, they are just various odds and ends communication vehicles for LL endeavors. You may personally find these builds full of wonder and I appreciate that but please keep in mind that you may be pressing LL to upkeep your role play.

LL has removed many of their builds and those have no marker or memorial. Shall we revive those? If a Linden fiddles around in a sandbox for 30 minutes should his/her scraps be honored as well?

LL has done some marvelous things here and there across the world but the whole sum of those builds is not one eyelash on the body of their work.

You see, if they would just fix that, the proper new resident sacrifices could be made on a regular basis and Assetservnor would be appeased. This is what happens when people stray from the Old Ways.

Photography on "The Track" project is completed. All basic post production on the images is completed. I'm about halfway done writing the report. When it's done, I'll post a link to it.

This started out as interesting and frustrating.. It's turned out to be way more depressing than I ever expected it to be. Details to follow.

Agreed on all counts. Kinda a shame to see how bad some of these places simply are. I have to assume some of this is indifference (most of these were built by folks who are no longer Lindens, and given the ways of the Tao, others might not have any desire to work on Ben, Eric, Xenon, etc.'s old stuff), a lack of resources (priority: fix a map at the moth temple, or fix the asset server... hmn...), lack of knowledge (how many Lindens know there even is a Sutherland Dam, a Voss chair lift, or even "vehicle sims?", or base incompetance? Perhaps all of the above.

Can't wait to see the report. Yer definitely someone who would know what's goin on there, too.



It explains so much, dunnit?

Mari

Marianne McCann will you be asking LL to put you and others in charge of rebuilding these builds? What is your interest in putting your name in association with all things "SL History"? You know that is not the way to be remembered, right?

Some of your abuses on the history wikis where you seem obsessed with changing the details of resident's second lives and the details of sims where you have not ever resided are just scary.

Maybe you should calm down a bit on your intent to rewrite SL's history and just let things be.

I don't care if I have any involvement with the building of such, actually. I just would like them complete. I don't need my name associated with such, either (I've made my own "name" elsewhere, for what it's worth). I'm just a history nut.

I sense you have an axe to grind with me. If I wrong you, I'm sorry. Have a good Second Life.

Mari

Stop abusing people on the wiki's while sticking to the guise of an innocent kid and we won't have any problems. Really some of your involvement has been simply crazy and it really bothers me that you are constantly seeking ways to integrate yourself into the "history".

Really Mari, some advice here, try to keep it real.

Sorry you don't have PMs open. I'm actually very confused by this. Abusing people on the wikis? Here's the two I've edited in the past, though I'm not very active on either nowadays

https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Marianne_McCann

http://secondlife.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Marianne.mccann

Please feel free to let me know where I've abused people, so I can make sure to re-edit and remove same.

Mari

Documenting significant histories to the wiki (before they're lost) is of benefit to everyone who gives a crap about it. She should be thanked for having the motivation and taking her personal time to do these things when so many others don't. Best advise would be to keep your personal grudges out of the forums k thx.

Once, ages ago, Salazar and I were all ready to sacrafice ourselves on the eve of something-or-other important, and were dumb-founded when we jumped and fell under the lava, suffering nothing more than skinned knees.

You might feel differently about someone who does not document events on the history wiki but is actually abusing the wiki and planting false information about residents, sims, and events. Mari tends to post in the wiki about events she has zero first hand knowledge about and upon correction of her entry she runs to replant her version again. This is very frustrating for people who have jobs and don't have time to sit on various wiki pages like a hawk watching for these malicious edits.

As for this being a personal grudge, it's not. I don't know Mari at all. However when I see her pressing for more involvement with the history of SL it makes me and others very nervous since she has already demonstrated that she is not necessarily interested in a truthful history but one that serves grudges that she seems to carry from her previous incarnations on the grid.

I will not be able to provide exact links in this thread to the entries on the wiki that have been abused due to naming names but I will say that she must stop doing this to people. Some of her targets have been in SL since the beginning and I hope we have some respect for them and their history and not the self serving interests of an attention starved "little girl".

Will I thank her for her involvement with SL's history? No. I will protest it.

So, WHAT did this have to do with Damaged Linden Content? Why are you posting here, derailing a thread that has absolutely NOTHING to do with your issues with Mari and whatever Wiki articles?

P.S. Lowen Raymaker.. Google has never so much as HEARD of you... so, whose alt are you? The wikis don't seem to have a record of your name that I (or google) can find.. are you posting edits under a psuedonym?

Ah! I think I know what you're talking about now, though! If it is the page in question, I had looked at that page as having been maliciously wiped out, and reinstated from a previous, content-rich edition. My assumption is that you saw the page, and assumed I was the author of the content, rather than having reinstated a previous edition.

Feel free to leave me a PM, inworld IM, or e-mail if ya want. I am really, genuinely interested in figuring this out.

Mari

I sought out Mari this evening to discuss the issue with the Wiki. She was able to clarify for me some things that were unclear before. We had a nice chat and I feel I was mistaken in my accusation. She seems to me to be a very genuine person who has the best of intentions. She may have mistakenly made edits that did not serve history but she did so without the intention of causing harm to anyone.

Sorry Marianne!

You're welcome Lowen. I'm glad we talked. Thanks for seeking me out!

Mari

I only stopped by one place today because, well, I've been trying to build a garden all weekend, an with 1300 plants needing a script each, then a touch each, then to be pulled into inventory each.. well, you get the idea.

Anyway, I peeled around the beta memorial which I think was the last I had on my list. It appeared intact. I also buzzed the sandbox and Plum welcome area, which also looked okay, even with the usual assorting of people at the infohub who their they're cooler than they really are. I buzzed from there over to Mocha, an happened to come across some of the GSLR folks working on the trackway. They figured out what was wrong (they think) which had to do with Havok 4 having some weird understanding of the edges of box prims. I sorta got it. they said it affected SL golf -- is this some other old Linden thing I don't know about? Anyway, maybe their GSLR work might be useful for the Dore/Luna trolley an the SLRR. Not that it seems like much is being done with the latter anyway!

Mari