new grids: old hate

i see lots of new grids around and i see people talking bout going to them. one thing about second life is it offers freedoms and tolerance not shared by some of the others. i went to sign up at one today to see what all the buzzing was about and found this in their forums:

http://www.gamerssoul.com/forums/

i chose that place because well known people from second life universe including that forums owner and a big company in second life called texture are us recommended it.

i am not a child avatar and do not want this to become a stupid debate abot them, but i want to say be careful if you think of moving somewhere else because it is obvious they are hateful and judgmental in some.

this is another reason to love second life and thank you to the lindens for not having hateful rules where a person cannot be a kiddie if they want. i wonder if furries and goreans are allowed there?

thank you linden labs for freedoms in self expressions!

and wtf? in another announcement on the same site they say this



"with a possible result in having the account banned." you can cost someone money and may possibly be banned for lying and griefing though being a child avatar is instant termination?

/me hugs second life tighter.

I got an offline IM about that as well. Darn shame, as hat was one I was eyeballing.

Indeed, some have been telling me to look at them. But a few they wanted me to try were human and adult av only... well I'm a furry till I die.

Others are limiting themselves to regions iirc as well, so only SL is a worldwide grid with the greatest freedom. The rest are going to be like googles little toy, very limited and likely short lived in my opinion

I love Legend City and applaud their efforts. Also in the lines of content theft they say they have taken measures to make sure copy bot does not plague their grid. Love to see people making changes and giving people the variety they want and have been asking fro for a long time.. It is another product to appeal to the masses

many have asked that traffic manipulation with bots be banned. LL wont do it. So someone else will. Same about copy bot. LL wont take measures to block it . Just like Child Avatars which many people dislike in SL . You will see a lot of people go that way .

Their efforts will sell and has sold their product to me No need to be carefull . Just dont be stupid and forget to read the TOS.

Just like traveling to different countries. You gottas brush up on the law because the laws are not all the same in every country.

you are ok with banning child avatars then? being a child avatar is "being stupid"? do you have an inworld shop i should avoid too?

also you seem proud of content theft stances they claim but fail to see they are stricter on child avatars then on content thieves. and even i know nobody can stop copybot if someone is determined and knowledgeable.

The irony, in looking at the ads on Snapzilla, is that LCO is touting "freedom" and "creativity" Yet I get more of both in SL.

For now.

Ignoring something stated in the TOS is "being stupid"... We don't have to be okay with banning or not banning child avatars from one grid to the next. It would be worse if they were to allow something and then U-turn (hint hint)... But, it is what it is and it might be a good idea to start reading up on your TOS of each grid you're planning to visit. Like countries... Rules vary from place to place. (^_^)y

to the OP.
Anyone new here can see all the freedom that is here..
Anyone that has been here for a good while can see how much of it has been lost..

linden labs has stood up to many news casts that were attacking the seedy side of child avatars by getting firm on the illegal aspects but NEVER blocking the use of child avatars. to coin an expression they never thew the baby out with the bathwater.

this place does the opposite.

linden labs makes tons of mistakes but with the exception of illegal activities all are welcome.



http://www.gamerssoul.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=86

banning child avatars equals bigotry. these amateurs are breaking their own TOS.

i understand. i admit i am new. i just caution those who wish to leave to be sure they are not running from one problem to a bigger one. and i am not against options i just want honest ones free of bigotry.

i am reading up on the tos of the first place i visited. i am just outraged by this and as such will not be joining. i know second life has a child avatar culture and i thought it was a shame a grid people are pushing on another forum with a major sl business supporting it was bigotted.

yes though read tos' is good advice to anyone thinking of these grids.

but who u-turned? did some other place allow child avatars and change?

like most of these worlds it is their option to set up their world as they see fit..
these are businesses and not worlds..
they may not want to have child avatars for many reasons..
just as we are free to let anyone of any type in our sims they are allowed to have their rules in their own world..

i don't think it is good to speak for them as to why they choose this..it could be that they want their world only adult..that maybe child avatars would draw certain types to their world that they don't wish to have..such as people that look at children in a way that some of us don't..

some of these new worlds don't allow sex and are all about content and some are only about sex and you can't make anything..
each have their own rules and to enter them you have to agree to their terms..

i don't think it is fair to use such strong words as bigotry in the direction of anyone or any group trying to give other options..if that were the case we could take a walk around sl all day long screaming bigot here..bigot there..

i didn't sense bigotry in their reasons in their TOS..i just saw a TOS of a world molding itself the way it wants just like LL did when it started...

No comment on the child AV issue, but SL does need this added to their TOS.

maybe. bigotry is defined as

so banning children avatars fits that i think.

i love second life and give linden labs kudos for not having this mentality. nobody has to like or dislike the policy but i hate it. i posted to thank linden lab for not being this way and to show other places people are raving about may not be what they seem.

as a funny aside though it is funny they say i can be a beta baby but they do not allow child avatars there.

It all just may not be about hate. Child pornography is almost universally banned in this world. Though a kid avvie does not mean that the user of that avvie is a user of such pornography it could very easily be seen as such by some people. And just maybe, the developers of LCO are being pre-emptive in any legal actions that could be brought against them.

I think the policy is not about "hate"......but about being pretty smart about heading off a potential expensive and business killing legal fight that is likely to come about sooner or later.

You don't have to join if you don't like it. And you can always quit if you do join and find you missed that part in the TOS. You can thank the perverts of the world for such policies even being necessary. Dissing the company for having those policies is a little short sighted.......IMO.

And why does walmart, target, jc penny, et all still show kids in swimsuits... to some that could be considered child porn. Especially with the poses they are in a lot of times in the sales sheets and catalogs.

Kneejerk reactions are never good. It'd be like banning content creation in order to prevent content theft...

My first reaction on reading that, and then their entire ToS, is that at best they allowed their Terms of Service to be written by a non-native speaker. It certainly wasn't written or even reviewed by an attorney licensed to practice in an English-speaking country. At least, I hope not.

Why is this relevant? I don't like to jump on writing errors in casual conversation, unless there's some relevancy (or distinctive humor value). But this isn't casual writing, it's a legal document for a business that reveals an appalling lack of professionalism.

That doesn't necessarily mean they'll fail. Successful businesses have gotten off the ground with far less. But it does mean that I wouldn't waste my time on it, in their current state, even if I liked the underlying policies.

I agree. There's plenty of places in SL where child avatars are not welcome as well, and it's generally a case of landowners protecting themselves from possible litigation (as well as wanting to preserve a certain atmosphere). I wear a child avie from time to time and don't feel offended that I am not welcome in such places.

The list of other grids is growing fast and I see no reason why we can't have lots of different flavours - something for everyone. Some are already quite specialised in terms of locations/languages, and I know of at least one which focusses purely on "adult" content. It would be lovely to see a grid built especially for child avatars and their families and friends.

Remembering the olden days, way back almost in caveman times, when we would chat during update Wednesdays on Beta about how when Google comes online, or if LL really does let the server code go opensourse how it would be the end of SL. Well both have happened. Google up and barfed all over themselves and the open source grids are haphazard messes. Life is grand isn't it.

I'm sure eventually the grid scene will stabilize with a few major one's playing apple and sun to LL's microsoft. Myself I'm tickled pink that I have 6 regions running on a computer at home that I can mess up amazingly when I feel like terraforming. Since all my adventures in setting up clubs in SL resulted in traffic ratings of 0-10, I can get the exact same effect without paying a tier. But at the end of the day, when it's time to visit friends. There is only one grid I log on to.

I made an account over on legend and never got any email and was never able to use it

launching the program just brought up a blank window no log in nothing

and the least they could do is remove all references to secondlife from the set up program LOL

Just another copy cat trying to follow the footsteps of LL

I am a die hard LL/SL fan and will remain so

(sure I might check out other places, but SL has a special place in my heart. (for very personal reasons))

i know the definition of it bigotry ..i don't need a link.

my point was that if you are calling them bigots you are calling many many places in sl the same exact thing..read the rules to a lot of sims you go to in SL and see if lindens change to the child avatar does not have a lot of places feeling the same as this other world you talk about..see how many do not want to risk being banned from SL so they don't allow child avatars or even prim babies..

LL may not have the rule in their TOS but one of their rules draws a certain fear to the point that child avatars have limited freedom to roam as free as you describe..only it is sim by sim not at the front door of the whole world..

ask anyone that is a child avatar in sl if they are free to go where they please..
that answer would be no..

i am all for anyone being what they want in a world that lets them be what they want..but i am also in favor of free enterprise..in a world that lets a business expand more choices for people..when there are more choices out there then you have real freedom..

i did not imply you were stupid and needed a link ceka i was just qualifying why i called it as i saw it.
and there is a huge difference between me owning a sim and saying a certain kind of avatar cannot come there and a company that says 'get your second life back" and purple proses itself as the alternative but bans something even linden labs won't.
you simply read too much into what i am saying. i did not say all of second life holds hands and sings kumbyah on sundays but this place is either bigoted or so afraid of it's own shadow legally that it full stop bans these people.
i have said i will not go there. i also will not go to the stores of people who support them or forums that support them. i am sure that generates a ton of eyerolls and so whats though.
just because something is happening does not make it right. i am pointing out it is not right and if they want to pretend to be a place to get your second life back they damn sure better mean that for all and not just the ones that dont scare them.

It could be even simpler than that Moop. Maybe their definition of an adult grid means adults only.......right down the avatar anyone uses. Saying they are legally scared sh***less or are bigoted is a little out there. I think you are reading way too much into LOC's policies.