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01-03-2008 22:29

From: Karen Palen

In fairness, this is hardly unique to LL! "feature Creep" is both much more fun to do and much easier to sell to management than making the old crud work properly!

Twas so in the days of MULTIVAC and still is ...

I can even spot bugs in some of MY code that (after 20 years!) is still wallowing around in cyberspace. With bugs I wanted to fix before I left the company (honest ma!)

eep!

Arent those er... features?

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01-03-2008 23:58

From: Whispering Hush

eep!

Arent those er... features?

The really scary thing is that they probably HAVE become "features" by now.

The great virtue of the "y2K bug" was that all the really bad ancient code was at least inspected if not totally replaced.

Sadly that did not happen with Engineering/Scientific software.

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01-04-2008 07:35

From: Tod69 Talamasca

Exactly!

While I like Windows Server, there are some things it just couldnt handle. Petabytes of data for SL comes to mind.

Usually it seems folks who suggest Windows or some other OS for SL have very little understanding at just how much data is being transferred as well as what goes on behind the scenes.

Er.. SL doesn't run on a single server. I don't think any single machine in the grid has to deal with anywhere near that amount of data.

I don't know how LL pokes at the OS code itself but with the _thousands_ of servers that make up the grid, I'd bet that a big part of their choice to use Debian was cost..

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01-04-2008 10:09

From: Ordinal Malaprop

Furries get your dander up?

Funniest post today!

And this thread is the most blithely ignorant one in a long time. GAK! Or someone is winking and yanking our chains.

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01-04-2008 10:10

From: Darien Caldwell

Chosen is right. The problem is that LL generates bugs faster than they fix them.

(sorry couldn't resist.)

Actually, in the software industry, this is technically referred to as "developing and maintaining software".

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01-04-2008 10:15

From: Meade Paravane

Er.. SL doesn't run on a single server. I don't think any single machine in the grid has to deal with anywhere near that amount of data.

I don't know how LL pokes at the OS code itself but with the _thousands_ of servers that make up the grid, I'd bet that a big part of their choice to use Debian was cost..

Yup. The last thing I read (someone pointed us to an article about SL yesterday) said that SL has 16,000 servers. That's a lot of MS licenses.

Twosteppin's right. Just put it all on Access.

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01-04-2008 10:25

From: Alyx Sands

You're kidding, right?

Besides, Linux Is Not UniX. (<-- beware, daft recursive acronym joke nicked from GNU...)

No really, if you don't have an idea what the differences between the two are, you shouldn't suggest using Windows instead.

One can make a windows server as solid as a unix box. It simply depends on the knowledge of the system admin and the s/w and h/w setup. No OS is fully secure nor compleatly flawed. Using a blanket comment as such only shows, IMO, ignorance on the topic.

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01-04-2008 10:31

From: Strauss Ulderport

One can make a windows server as solid as a unix box. It simply depends on the knowledge of the system admin and the s/w and h/w setup. No OS is fully secure nor compleatly flawed. Using a blanket comment as such only shows, IMO, ignorance on the topic.

I asked, I begged, I tried really hard to keep this thread off topic. Why oh why didn't you all listen?

/me sighs

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01-04-2008 10:51

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01-04-2008 10:53

From: Love Hastings

I asked, I begged, I tried really hard to keep this thread off topic. Why oh why didn't you all listen?

/me sighs

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01-04-2008 12:12

From: Love Hastings

I asked, I begged, I tried really hard to keep this thread off topic. Why oh why didn't you all listen?

/me sighs

ANY thread of this nature is going to, in the end, break down to the technical discussion with people expressing their preferances. I have been online for 20 yrs and I have yet to see such a loaded 'topic' not do such. Your 'begging' and 'asking' falls a deaf ears with this topic just like if it was a topic on politics, religion or the iraq war.

F00d for thought next time you wish to post such

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01-04-2008 12:12

From: Love Hastings

I asked, I begged, I tried really hard to keep this thread off topic. Why oh why didn't you all listen?

/me sighs

Well, I'd eat pie.

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01-04-2008 14:39

From: Strauss Ulderport

One can make a windows server as solid as a unix box. It simply depends on the knowledge of the system admin and the s/w and h/w setup. No OS is fully secure nor compleatly flawed. Using a blanket comment as such only shows, IMO, ignorance on the topic.

Yeah sure. As if. We do have some Windows servers running here at uni, but that's nothing compared to LL's 16,000 servers for the grid. Also, the difference between open and closed source. And money. And the fact that the OP seemed to have absolutely no idea what he was talking about...
*throws a plush penguin*
I'm even USING Windows here, sheesh. Can't even have a little blanket comment anymore nowadays.
(And yeah, I've been online for over 20 years, too...)

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01-08-2008 05:46

We should totally convert everything to Microsoft Access. That would rock.

This thread delivers on so many different levels!

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01-08-2008 08:05

From: FlipperPA Peregrine

We should totally convert everything to Microsoft Access. That would rock.

This thread delivers on so many different levels!

When you say "rock"...?

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01-08-2008 08:09

From: Alyx Sands

...LL's 16,000 servers for the grid

I think that might be 16k sims, not servers. Still, that's a whole lot of hardware (and OS licenses).

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01-16-2008 11:37

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03-06-2008 23:05

From: Kiboe Munro

UNIX = Linux OS system

now, i was wonderingm, they have so many issues, where i work in Real life our LAN servers are Dell xenion systems, should LL swtich to windows OS for the asset servers or fix the current systems?

I doubt if a windows farm could even handle SL. SQL Server would croak a hideous death. Have you tried myspace lately? hee hee hee. It's so annoying.

I'm sure if people go the 'computer science ala bill gates gave my college a free computer with windows so they're going to pretend windows is better' speech then the person doesn't know any better. Unfortunately, this covers a good majority of the latest drones of IT people. Sad, but true.

I doubt if windows could even handle running the SL server farm and as it continues to grow, moving it to the windows platform would be its death.

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03-06-2008 23:11

From: Strauss Ulderport

One can make a windows server as solid as a unix box. It simply depends on the knowledge of the system admin and the s/w and h/w setup. No OS is fully secure nor compleatly flawed. Using a blanket comment as such only shows, IMO, ignorance on the topic.

yeah, but only until the next windows update when all the *new* bugs, open ports, and security flaws are introduced.

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03-06-2008 23:50

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03-07-2008 00:04

The thread that just won't die.

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03-07-2008 00:55

From: Conan Godwin

It's furries that really get my dander up. Why don't we ever get to bash them?

thanks...i just choked on my croissant

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i heard the asset servers are UNIX code
Whispering Hush ™ Join date: 20 Mar 2007 Posts: 277	01-03-2008 22:29 From: Karen Palen In fairness, this is hardly unique to LL! "feature Creep" is both much more fun to do and much easier to sell to management than making the old crud work properly! Twas so in the days of MULTIVAC and still is ... I can even spot bugs in some of MY code that (after 20 years!) is still wallowing around in cyberspace. With bugs I wanted to fix before I left the company (honest ma!) eep! Arent those er... features?
Karen Palen That pushy American Broad Join date: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 140	01-03-2008 23:58 From: Whispering Hush eep! Arent those er... features? The really scary thing is that they probably HAVE become "features" by now. The great virtue of the "y2K bug" was that all the really bad ancient code was at least inspected if not totally replaced. Sadly that did not happen with Engineering/Scientific software.
Meade Paravane Hedgehog Join date: 21 Nov 2006 Posts: 4,845	01-04-2008 07:35 From: Tod69 Talamasca Exactly! While I like Windows Server, there are some things it just couldnt handle. Petabytes of data for SL comes to mind. Usually it seems folks who suggest Windows or some other OS for SL have very little understanding at just how much data is being transferred as well as what goes on behind the scenes. Er.. SL doesn't run on a single server. I don't think any single machine in the grid has to deal with anywhere near that amount of data. I don't know how LL pokes at the OS code itself but with the _thousands_ of servers that make up the grid, I'd bet that a big part of their choice to use Debian was cost.. _____________________ Tired of shouting clubs and lucky chairs? Vote for llParcelSay!!! - Go here: http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-1224 - If you see "if you were logged in.." on the left, click it and log in - Click the "Vote for it" link on the left
Lear Cale wordy bugger Join date: 22 Aug 2007 Posts: 3,569	01-04-2008 10:09 From: Ordinal Malaprop Furries get your dander up? Funniest post today! And this thread is the most blithely ignorant one in a long time. GAK! Or someone is winking and yanking our chains.
Lear Cale wordy bugger Join date: 22 Aug 2007 Posts: 3,569	01-04-2008 10:10 From: Darien Caldwell Chosen is right. The problem is that LL generates bugs faster than they fix them. (sorry couldn't resist.) Actually, in the software industry, this is technically referred to as "developing and maintaining software".
Oryx Tempel Registered User Join date: 8 Nov 2006 Posts: 7,663	01-04-2008 10:15 From: Meade Paravane Er.. SL doesn't run on a single server. I don't think any single machine in the grid has to deal with anywhere near that amount of data. I don't know how LL pokes at the OS code itself but with the _thousands_ of servers that make up the grid, I'd bet that a big part of their choice to use Debian was cost.. Yup. The last thing I read (someone pointed us to an article about SL yesterday) said that SL has 16,000 servers. That's a lot of MS licenses. Twosteppin's right. Just put it all on Access. _____________________
Strauss Ulderport Registered User Join date: 3 Dec 2007 Posts: 326	01-04-2008 10:25 From: Alyx Sands You're kidding, right? Besides, Linux Is Not UniX. (<-- beware, daft recursive acronym joke nicked from GNU...) No really, if you don't have an idea what the differences between the two are, you shouldn't suggest using Windows instead. One can make a windows server as solid as a unix box. It simply depends on the knowledge of the system admin and the s/w and h/w setup. No OS is fully secure nor compleatly flawed. Using a blanket comment as such only shows, IMO, ignorance on the topic. _____________________ Strauss Ulderport -------------------- Owner of NightHallows Lair Industrial, Goth, Darkwave & Techno music venue www.nighthallowslair.net
Love Hastings #66666 Join date: 21 Aug 2007 Posts: 4,094	01-04-2008 10:31 From: Strauss Ulderport One can make a windows server as solid as a unix box. It simply depends on the knowledge of the system admin and the s/w and h/w setup. No OS is fully secure nor compleatly flawed. Using a blanket comment as such only shows, IMO, ignorance on the topic. I asked, I begged, I tried really hard to keep this thread off topic. Why oh why didn't you all listen? /me sighs _____________________
Tygarys Soyinka Insane Furry Lag Monster Join date: 17 Sep 2005 Posts: 136	01-04-2008 10:51 I like pie! _____________________ Tygarys Soyinka Just what every planet needs, cats in charge. - The Doctor
Brenda Connolly Un United Avatar Join date: 10 Jan 2007 Posts: 25,000	01-04-2008 10:53 From: Love Hastings I asked, I begged, I tried really hard to keep this thread off topic. Why oh why didn't you all listen? /me sighs I wish you were my alt...... _____________________ Don't you ever try to look behind my eyes. You don't want to know what they have seen. http://brenda-connolly.blogspot.com
Strauss Ulderport Registered User Join date: 3 Dec 2007 Posts: 326	01-04-2008 12:12 From: Love Hastings I asked, I begged, I tried really hard to keep this thread off topic. Why oh why didn't you all listen? /me sighs ANY thread of this nature is going to, in the end, break down to the technical discussion with people expressing their preferances. I have been online for 20 yrs and I have yet to see such a loaded 'topic' not do such. Your 'begging' and 'asking' falls a deaf ears with this topic just like if it was a topic on politics, religion or the iraq war. F00d for thought next time you wish to post such _____________________ Strauss Ulderport -------------------- Owner of NightHallows Lair Industrial, Goth, Darkwave & Techno music venue www.nighthallowslair.net
Kaimi Kyomoon Kah-EE-mee Join date: 30 Nov 2006 Posts: 5,664	01-04-2008 12:12 From: Love Hastings I asked, I begged, I tried really hard to keep this thread off topic. Why oh why didn't you all listen? /me sighs Well, I'd eat pie. _____________________ Kaimi's Normal Wear From: 3Ring Binder i think people are afraid of me or something.
Alyx Sands Mental Mentor Linguist Join date: 17 Feb 2007 Posts: 2,432	01-04-2008 14:39 From: Strauss Ulderport One can make a windows server as solid as a unix box. It simply depends on the knowledge of the system admin and the s/w and h/w setup. No OS is fully secure nor compleatly flawed. Using a blanket comment as such only shows, IMO, ignorance on the topic. Yeah sure. As if. We do have some Windows servers running here at uni, but that's nothing compared to LL's 16,000 servers for the grid. Also, the difference between open and closed source. And money. And the fact that the OP seemed to have absolutely no idea what he was talking about... throws a plush penguin I'm even USING Windows here, sheesh. Can't even have a little blanket comment anymore nowadays. (And yeah, I've been online for over 20 years, too...) _____________________ ~~I'm a linguist. RL sucks, but right now it's decided to be a little less nasty to me - you can still be nice to me if you want! ~~ ->Potestatem obscuri lateris nescitis.<-
FlipperPA Peregrine Magically Delicious! Join date: 14 Nov 2003 Posts: 3,703	01-08-2008 05:46 We should totally convert everything to Microsoft Access. That would rock. This thread delivers on so many different levels! _____________________ Peregrine Salon: www.PeregrineSalon.com - my consulting company Second Blogger: www.SecondBlogger.com - free, fully integrated Second Life blogging for all avatars!
Kaimi Kyomoon Kah-EE-mee Join date: 30 Nov 2006 Posts: 5,664	01-08-2008 08:05 From: FlipperPA Peregrine We should totally convert everything to Microsoft Access. That would rock. This thread delivers on so many different levels! When you say "rock"...? _____________________ Kaimi's Normal Wear From: 3Ring Binder i think people are afraid of me or something.
Meade Paravane Hedgehog Join date: 21 Nov 2006 Posts: 4,845	01-08-2008 08:09 From: Alyx Sands ...LL's 16,000 servers for the grid I think that might be 16k sims, not servers. Still, that's a whole lot of hardware (and OS licenses). _____________________ Tired of shouting clubs and lucky chairs? Vote for llParcelSay!!! - Go here: http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-1224 - If you see "if you were logged in.." on the left, click it and log in - Click the "Vote for it" link on the left
Meade Paravane Hedgehog Join date: 21 Nov 2006 Posts: 4,845	01-16-2008 11:37 Speaking of MySQL.. http://blogs.mysql.com/kaj/sun-acquires-mysql.html/ _____________________ Tired of shouting clubs and lucky chairs? Vote for llParcelSay!!! - Go here: http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-1224 - If you see "if you were logged in.." on the left, click it and log in - Click the "Vote for it" link on the left
Aeval Okelly Registered User Join date: 13 Feb 2008 Posts: 73	03-06-2008 23:05 From: Kiboe Munro UNIX = Linux OS system now, i was wonderingm, they have so many issues, where i work in Real life our LAN servers are Dell xenion systems, should LL swtich to windows OS for the asset servers or fix the current systems? I doubt if a windows farm could even handle SL. SQL Server would croak a hideous death. Have you tried myspace lately? hee hee hee. It's so annoying. I'm sure if people go the 'computer science ala bill gates gave my college a free computer with windows so they're going to pretend windows is better' speech then the person doesn't know any better. Unfortunately, this covers a good majority of the latest drones of IT people. Sad, but true. I doubt if windows could even handle running the SL server farm and as it continues to grow, moving it to the windows platform would be its death.
Aeval Okelly Registered User Join date: 13 Feb 2008 Posts: 73	03-06-2008 23:11 From: Strauss Ulderport One can make a windows server as solid as a unix box. It simply depends on the knowledge of the system admin and the s/w and h/w setup. No OS is fully secure nor compleatly flawed. Using a blanket comment as such only shows, IMO, ignorance on the topic. yeah, but only until the next windows update when all the new bugs, open ports, and security flaws are introduced.
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Kaimi Kyomoon Kah-EE-mee Join date: 30 Nov 2006 Posts: 5,664	03-07-2008 00:04 The thread that just won't die. _____________________ Kaimi's Normal Wear From: 3Ring Binder i think people are afraid of me or something.
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