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Conan Godwin
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01-03-2008 13:51
Suggesting the replacement of Unix/Linux servers with Microsoft is like convincing NASCAR drivers that they'd win more races if they drove a Kia  They might if they all drove Kias; then driver skill, instead of engineer skill, would become a factor in their success if they all drove the same car. Just thought I'd put that out there. _____________________
hateful much? dude, that was low. die. . |
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Love Hastings
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01-03-2008 13:55
They might if they all drove Kias; then driver skill, instead of engineer skill, would become a factor in their success if they all drove the same car. Just thought I'd put that out there. Real racing also turns to the right. _____________________
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Conan Godwin
In ur base kilin ur d00ds
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01-03-2008 13:57
Real racing also turns to the right. Real racing is to the death _____________________
hateful much? dude, that was low. die. . |
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Twosteppin Jewell
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Join date: 27 Mar 2007
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01-03-2008 14:02
Suggesting the replacement of Unix/Linux servers with Microsoft is like convincing NASCAR drivers that they'd win more races if they drove a Kia  _____________________
Sorry, I was temporarily lost in thought and it wasn't familiar territory.
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Oryx Tempel
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01-03-2008 14:04
They might if they all drove Kias; then driver skill, instead of engineer skill, would become a factor in their success if they all drove the same car. Just thought I'd put that out there. CHAMP car fan, by any chance? _____________________
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Alyx Sands
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Join date: 17 Feb 2007
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01-03-2008 14:13
OMG here's an idea, how about replacing the Linux systems with VAX/VMS?  Cool! I worked with that...back in 93.....when i was still using Lynx... _____________________
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Conan Godwin
In ur base kilin ur d00ds
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01-03-2008 14:28
CHAMP car fan, by any chance? Not really. I only like sports that involve two men getting into a ring and kicking the shit out of each other for money. _____________________
hateful much? dude, that was low. die. . |
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Kidd Krasner
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01-03-2008 14:37
OMG here's an idea, how about replacing the Linux systems with VAX/VMS? Does this mean replacing lsl with DCL and rewriting the servers in Bliss? |
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Wildefire Walcott
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01-03-2008 14:41
UNIX = Linux OS system now, i was wonderingm, they have so many issues, where i work in Real life our LAN servers are Dell xenion systems, should LL swtich to windows OS for the asset servers or fix the current systems? U MAED ME LOL _____________________
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Conan Godwin
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01-03-2008 15:00
Does this mean replacing lsl with DCL and rewriting the servers in Bliss? Not necessarily, but it does mean that we all have to grow Neck Beards. _____________________
hateful much? dude, that was low. die. . |
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Brenda Connolly
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01-03-2008 15:14
They might if they all drove Kias; then driver skill, instead of engineer skill, would become a factor in their success if they all drove the same car. Just thought I'd put that out there. Actually with the Introduction of the Car of Tomorrow this past season, most cars in NASCAR races will essentially be the same. The intent being exactly what you suggest. _____________________
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Conan Godwin
In ur base kilin ur d00ds
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01-03-2008 15:58
Actually with the Introduction of the Car of Tomorrow this past season, most cars in NASCAR races will essentially be the same. The intent being exactly what you suggest. All motor sports should be based on giant versions of Scalectrix sets. _____________________
hateful much? dude, that was low. die. . |
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Annabelle Babii
Unholier than thou
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01-03-2008 16:07
UNIX = Linux OS system now, i was wonderingm, they have so many issues, where i work in Real life our LAN servers are Dell xenion systems, should LL swtich to windows OS for the asset servers or fix the current systems? Why not just scrap the current 3D GUI and load all the avatar data into a Wildcat BBS system? |
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Dytska Vieria
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01-03-2008 17:10
UNIX = Linux OS system now, i was wonderingm, they have so many issues, where i work in Real life our LAN servers are Dell xenion systems, should LL swtich to windows OS for the asset servers or fix the current systems? Real db servers do not require a mouse, or a keyboard, or a monitor, for that matter. _____________________
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Love Hastings
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Join date: 21 Aug 2007
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01-03-2008 17:53
Real db servers do not require a mouse, or a keyboard, or a monitor, for that matter. Are you seriously trying to say that they couldn't move all the data on the "asset servers" to SQL Server Express? _____________________
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Whispering Hush
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Join date: 20 Mar 2007
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01-03-2008 18:09
Actually, I think the database is MySQL running on Linux. Why?? Because it's free. Free as in you are free to fix bugs, open source means you get the source code so you can compile it yourself, as opposed to buying executable sofware and relying on a third party to fix bugs. Imagine waiting for microsoft to fix the bugs, there wouldn't be a second life. Windows costs money, hence, cutting into the profits...or rather, an additonal liability. Don't think SL is making a profit just yet...but, that's a discussion for financial wizards. Windows has more problems with reliability than Linux, as limited as Linux it. windows does not cluster, nor (afaik) does it support nfs (network file system, please don't think that smb is a nfs), but sure, cost is a factor, why pay for something that wont do the job. /me goes to The Sims Online and bashes Furry Gorean Padawan Ninja Mutant Transformers there. |
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Twosteppin Jewell
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01-03-2008 18:15
Are you seriously trying to say that they couldn't move all the data on the "asset servers" to SQL Server Express? _____________________
Sorry, I was temporarily lost in thought and it wasn't familiar territory.
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Tod69 Talamasca
The Human Tripod ;)
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01-03-2008 18:39
windows does not cluster, nor (afaik) does it support nfs (network file system, please don't think that smb is a nfs), but sure, cost is a factor, why pay for something that wont do the job. Actually, yes- Windows Server 2003 does support Clusters. See: 70-293 "Planning & Maintaining a Microsoft Windows Server 2003 Network Infrastructure", Chapters 7 and 17. I dont think it supports NFS, I'll check the books. Ok... back. Yea, it supports it. Link: http://technet2.microsoft.com/windowsserver/en/library/f9d70026-ae8b-4969-8755-1ea1edc4e38e1033.mspx#BKMK_MSNFS BUT- Main reason to use Linux & MySQL..... COST! Running the whole grid on a bunch of Window's Servers (not yer piddling home version) along with their SQL Servers would be quite expensive. Naturally the company would pass on the costs to the consumer, a.k.a. Residents. _____________________
really pissy & mean right now and NOT happy with Life.
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Kaimi Kyomoon
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01-03-2008 19:30
UNIX = Linux OS system now, i was wonderingm, they have so many issues, where i work in Real life our LAN servers are Dell xenion systems, should LL swtich to windows OS for the asset servers or fix the current systems? ROFL _____________________
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Osgeld Barmy
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Join date: 22 Mar 2005
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01-03-2008 19:53
why not use windows?
1 money, windows and mssql for 2000+ computers * x locations = $$$$$$$$$$$$ 2 resource management, windows hogs memory for dumbass crap that the database could be useing 3 stability, our office has a hp-ux machine that hasnt been turned off in over a decade, my windows machine crashed twice today when i wasnt even using it 4 stability pt 2, it takes alot of work to crash a nix machine to the equivalent of a bluescreen, windows on the other hand can be taken down by sending 1 chunk of funky data to the memory, or if you ever have a file that deals with the filesystem go down, its game over you cant access any data 5 customization, you can rewrite my sql to suit your needs, you will never get the source code to ms sql and so on and on and on and on........... |
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Patrick2 Chama
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01-03-2008 20:43
Two words for you on this subject; Dog Penis /me barfs /me is reminded to finish his latest sculpty product, uber realistic *evil laugh* |
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Tod69 Talamasca
The Human Tripod ;)
Join date: 20 Sep 2005
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01-03-2008 21:41
why not use windows? 1 money, windows and mssql for 2000+ computers * x locations = $$$$$$$$$$$$ 2 resource management, windows hogs memory for dumbass crap that the database could be useing 3 stability, our office has a hp-ux machine that hasnt been turned off in over a decade, my windows machine crashed twice today when i wasnt even using it 4 stability pt 2, it takes alot of work to crash a nix machine to the equivalent of a bluescreen, windows on the other hand can be taken down by sending 1 chunk of funky data to the memory, or if you ever have a file that deals with the filesystem go down, its game over you cant access any data 5 customization, you can rewrite my sql to suit your needs, you will never get the source code to ms sql and so on and on and on and on........... Exactly! While I like Windows Server, there are some things it just couldnt handle. Petabytes of data for SL comes to mind. Usually it seems folks who suggest Windows or some other OS for SL have very little understanding at just how much data is being transferred as well as what goes on behind the scenes. _____________________
really pissy & mean right now and NOT happy with Life.
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Whispering Hush
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Join date: 20 Mar 2007
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01-03-2008 22:02
Actually, yes- Windows Server 2003 does support Clusters. See: 70-293 "Planning & Maintaining a Microsoft Windows Server 2003 Network Infrastructure", Chapters 7 and 17. I dont think it supports NFS, I'll check the books. Ok... back. Yea, it supports it. Link: http://technet2.microsoft.com/windowsserver/en/library/f9d70026-ae8b-4969-8755-1ea1edc4e38e1033.mspx#BKMK_MSNFS BUT- Main reason to use Linux & MySQL..... COST! Running the whole grid on a bunch of Window's Servers (not yer piddling home version) along with their SQL Servers would be quite expensive. Naturally the company would pass on the costs to the consumer, a.k.a. Residents. Still closed source, good example of where open source is the only tool for the job, being held hostage to a software vendor is not good business. |
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Karen Palen
That pushy American Broad
Join date: 26 Feb 2007
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01-03-2008 22:25
The problem isn't Linux or MySQL. It's Linden code which is riddled with bugs. Check Jira for the MASSIVE list of unresolved issues. The problem is that they spend all their time on new features for Age Verification and Windlight support, and virtually no time at all on existing problems. In fairness, this is hardly unique to LL! "feature Creep" is both much more fun to do and much easier to sell to management than making the old crud work properly! Twas so in the days of MULTIVAC and still is ... I can even spot bugs in some of MY code that (after 20 years!) is still wallowing around in cyberspace. With bugs I wanted to fix before I left the company (honest ma!) |
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Karen Palen
That pushy American Broad
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01-03-2008 22:28
Free as in you are free to fix bugs, open source means you get the source code so you can compile it yourself, as opposed to buying executable sofware and relying on a third party to fix bugs. Imagine waiting for microsoft to fix the bugs, there wouldn't be a second life. Sadly there is the problem of understanding just what the code is supposed to do, then figuring out what it actually does then reconciling the two! Otherwise the problem is trivial  |
