Just to be clear, I havn't had a chance to look into what or why it is happening, but it most definitly is a bug and not a feature if you can't remove your underoos.
Thanks for letting us know that Kelly.

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09-02-2006 11:32
Just to be clear, I havn't had a chance to look into what or why it is happening, but it most definitly is a bug and not a feature if you can't remove your underoos. Thanks for letting us know that Kelly. ![]() |
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09-02-2006 11:56
If Ll truley plans on releasing SL like this next patch their gona lose a lot of customers. I will be outraged if this isn't a bug... The worse part of it is you have to relog to change your clothes or skin now. But Only HUMANS have a issue with indecency and wish to cover themselves up. Do not force this upon furries please...
Goreans either. Gors are usually ALWAYS nude if their slaves. I noticed this also happens in Mature sims so it isn't PG sim only. I was talking about it to a friend of mine. I now am starting to believe LL is about ot remove the teen grid and make the adult grid 100% PG... There goes philips dream down the crapper i guess... Mine too. The only way i could see this working is if it wasn't tied to the sim being PG but a parcel checkbox. [X] Enable really ugly undergarments. It's usually a texture baking issue, clearing your cache and trying again usually works, changing your clothes in appearance rather than from inventory also helps in some cases. Not in this case. My client is set to clear my cache after every logoff. I have always done this to prevent inventory issues and things not looking right. I also rebaked my textures after seeing this and it had no effect, nor did changing my clothes or skin. I'm glad to hear that is while it isn't exactly isolated, it isn't something that LL did on purpose. Although my first thought is that this would be great for the teen grid! Actually the teen grid always had forced underwear but it was different then this. My nephew showed me. Although they already began making alpha invisable underwear to fix it. I don't recall ever seeing those underpants before either. I generally forget to wear any at all. ![]() The texture for those underwear has always been available in your second life folder somewhere. it was a TGA file. I remember uploading it once about 6 months ago to play around with hehe. If this is someone's actual bright idea for new feature as opposed to simple glitch then please don't bother with such a waste of coding time. Gonna take skin makers what, 5 mins to upload 'panties' and 'bra' (or even pants and shirts if these pieces of clothing are fixed) ... textured with image of a nude body, thus circumventing this whole protection like it never existed? This is very true expect for the fact that you will have to do this to pants and jackets cuz these horrible fake undies show ontop of your regular undies from what i've seen. _____________________
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09-02-2006 12:02
If this is someone's actual bright idea for new feature as opposed to simple glitch then please don't bother with such a waste of coding time. Gonna take skin makers what, 5 mins to upload 'panties' and 'bra' (or even pants and shirts if these pieces of clothing are fixed) ... textured with image of a nude body, thus circumventing this whole protection like it never existed? This is very true expect for the fact that you will have to do this to pants and jackets cuz these horrible fake undies show ontop of your regular undies from what i've seen. _____________________
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09-02-2006 12:05
It's usually a texture baking issue, clearing your cache and trying again usually works, changing your clothes in appearance rather than from inventory also helps in some cases. Not in this case. My client is set to clear my cache after every logoff. I have always done this to prevent inventory issues and things not looking right. I also rebaked my textures after seeing this and it had no effect, nor did changing my clothes or skin. I'm glad to hear that is while it isn't exactly isolated, it isn't something that LL did on purpose. Although my first thought is that this would be great for the teen grid! Actually the teen grid always had forced underwear but it was different then this. My nephew showed me. Although they already began making alpha invisable underwear to fix it. I don't recall ever seeing those underpants before either. I generally forget to wear any at all. ![]() The texture for those underwear has always been available in your second life folder somewhere. it was a TGA file. I remember uploading it once about 6 months ago to play around with hehe. If this is someone's actual bright idea for new feature as opposed to simple glitch then please don't bother with such a waste of coding time. Gonna take skin makers what, 5 mins to upload 'panties' and 'bra' (or even pants and shirts if these pieces of clothing are fixed) ... textured with image of a nude body, thus circumventing this whole protection like it never existed? This is very true expect for the fact that you will have to do this to pants and jackets cuz these horrible fake undies show ontop of your regular undies from what i've seen. --- The only way i could see this working is if it wasn't tied to the sim being PG but a parcel checkbox. [X] Enable really ugly undergarments. _____________________
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Almitra Blair
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can we get clarification on the status of this bug?
09-02-2006 12:26
Kelly Linden: Just to be clear, I havn't had a chance to look into what or why it is happening, but it most definitly is a bug and not a feature if you can't remove your underoos. Kelly, that sounds a bit vague. Can you clarify? Are you saying that you haven't had a chance to try and reproduce the bug so you don 't know if it's even really happening or why it's happening, if, in fact, it is really happening? But, it's your opinion that this must be a bug, not a feature? I mean this in the nicest way. I'm sure you're very busy and very well-meaning. But, this troubles me. We have 3 days to release of this version. Monday is a holiday and you won't be in. This would be a disastrous bug if released to the main grid. Many, many users will be screaming bloody murder. Can we get some traction on this very serious bug? Can we have it investigated, acknowledged and added to the known issues page? As of today, it's not there. Can we get it *fixed* in preview, please? I'm trusting that it really is a bug and not a feature. Confirmation from management would be nice. If it is indeed an unannounced feature... God help us all. _____________________
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09-02-2006 12:43
But Only HUMANS have a issue with indecency and wish to cover themselves up. Do not force this upon furries please... This was probably the dumbest thing i've ever heard on the forums, ever. _____________________
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09-02-2006 12:54
This was probably the dumbest thing i've ever heard on the forums, ever. Whatever... Look i do not wish to be forced to wear human attire when i'm clearly a wolf. Wolves are nude. Plain and simple. I only wear clothes for a fashion statement. not to cover anything since my skin was ALREADY without genetals. _____________________
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Almitra Blair
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please don't hijack the thread, guys
09-02-2006 12:57
Let's keep it on topic if we can.
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09-02-2006 12:58
I'm trusting that it really is a bug and not a feature. Confirmation from management would be nice. If it is indeed an unannounced feature... God help us all. Why would Kelly Linden lie about it? _____________________
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09-02-2006 13:04
Whatever... Look i do not wish to be forced to wear human attire when i'm clearly a wolf. Wolves are nude. Plain and simple. I only wear clothes for a fashion statement. not to cover anything since my skin was ALREADY without genetals. Um. _____________________
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is there any way this thread can stay on topic?
09-02-2006 13:04
Lo: Why would Kelly Linden lie about it? I belive that Almitra's post was asking questions and raising concerns, not calling anyone a liar. The post was asking if Kelly had actually investigated the problem or was just offering an opinion. The post seemed to imply that Kelly may not have all the facts, but I don't think it wa calling her a liar. Can we stay on topic or is that physically impossible? Sigh. _____________________
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09-02-2006 13:05
Back on topic, this is most definitely a bug. I mean, 100%, I'll bet you all $L500.
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09-02-2006 13:06
I mean it is a Saturday morning (at the time of my posting), and while I do fully believe the reports posted here, especially given the consistancy of such reports, I have other things in RL I must do and have not logged in or looked at the code to see why what everyone is seeing is happening. But I do know that it is NOT AN INTENDED FEATURE and that it will not be released like this on Wednesday. One of three things will happen, either the changes that caused this bug will be pulled out or the bugs will be fixed or the release will be delayed a week. The first and last seem most likely unless there is a simple cause for the bugs seen that can be rapidly fixed and tested.
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09-02-2006 13:08
I mean it is a Saturday morning (at the time of my posting), and while I do fully believe the reports posted here, especially given the consistancy of such reports, I have other things in RL I must do and have not logged in or looked at the code to see why what everyone is seeing is happening. But I do know that it is NOT AN INTENDED FEATURE and that it will not be released like this on Wednesday. One of three things will happen, either the changes that caused this bug will be pulled out or the bugs will be fixed or the release will be delayed a week. The first and last seem most likely unless there is a simple cause for the bugs seen that can be rapidly fixed and tested. Yay for Kelly Linden! ![]() _____________________
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09-02-2006 13:10
Let's keep it on topic if we can. Yes can we? No personal attacks art, this isn't general section. I did some client editing. Edited the TGA's in the SL folder. I made the undergarments full alpha to hide them. it worked for my cleint, but i fired up my other computer to use another account so i could view myself and i still saw the ugly. So any changes you make to those files only effect your client. I should have known that but yea... If SL gets released like this were gona have to start making clothes that look like nude skins. So it's kinda pointless for LL do add this code since it will within 5 minutes be altered to apear it hasn't changed. _____________________
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09-02-2006 13:15
Yes can we? No personal attacks art, this isn't general section. You just attacked humans. How can you say no personal attacks when you're the one that incited them? _____________________
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paulie Femto
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thanks, Kelly
09-02-2006 13:33
I do appreciate you taking your time on a weekend to reassure us. I just wish I was reassured. This:
Yiffy: I did some client editing. Edited the TGA's in the SL folder. I made the undergarments full alpha to hide them. it worked for my cleint, but i fired up my other computer to use another account so i could view myself and i still saw the ugly. So any changes you make to those files only effect your client. Seems less like a bug and more like a feature to me. But, I'm a bit paranoid. Disneyfication scares me. The texture in question (for men) is called underpants_trial_male.tga and is in your c:\program files\secondlife\character folder. I reinstalled an older version of SL to check if the texture had been recently added. The oldest version of SL I could find was 1.5.8 from December, 2004. The texture has apparently been included with the client since then. The date on the texture was 8/22/2003, so it appears that the texture has been around forever. Why the texture is appearing baked into the skin now is a mystery we await the answer to. _____________________
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09-02-2006 13:58
While waiting for the problem to be solved I suggest everyone attempt to acquire a white poorly made underwear fetish.
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09-02-2006 14:15
Whatever... Look i do not wish to be forced to wear human attire when i'm clearly a wolf. Wolves are nude. Plain and simple. I only wear clothes for a fashion statement. not to cover anything since my skin was ALREADY without genetals. Look, if I have to dress all seven of my cats in little pants and shirts to cover their disgusting, lewd and imoral nakedness IRL, then you furries in SL should do the same. ![]() |
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09-02-2006 14:24
While waiting for the problem to be solved I suggest everyone attempt to acquire a white poorly made underwear fetish. Or just keep snickering that your work or the work of the designers is far superior to what those undies look like ![]() Thank you, Kelly, for the response. I'm glad it's not a feature, but instead a bug. I can deal with it. _____________________
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09-02-2006 16:11
Geez people chill.
It seem readily apparent that we got the Teen Grid deafault 'can't take off your underwear' by MISTAKE on the preview grid. It a bug, they will fix it, and its likely an easy fix that won't delay the release. They probably just uploaded the wrong code to the preview grid (teen instead of main). |
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09-02-2006 17:12
You just attacked humans. Actually i didn't. Atleast i didn't intend to. o.o I was stating a point. Humans usually wear clothes because they do not wish to expose themselves in the nude. It makes mosrtr of them uncomfertable. Furries on the other hand aren't that way. Some of them might be but most aren't. Anyway back on topic!... >.> _____________________
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Don't panic.
09-02-2006 17:13
Someone commented that the underwear requirement on the teen grid doesn't work this way, so it's a bug but that's not the bug.
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09-02-2006 17:46
Is it the same underwear that the teen grid uses? It seems kind of odd that a bug could make some underwear with a texture that looks like fabric. Maybe I just imagined it looked like fabric.
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09-02-2006 18:22
Is it the same underwear that the teen grid uses? It seems kind of odd that a bug could make some underwear with a texture that looks like fabric. Maybe I just imagined it looked like fabric. Not rly. My nephew showed me the TG once. The underwear they have their is whatever they put on, but they cant remove it unless they put on another pair. So they made full alpha undies lol. I can see in the next version... ----- * Changed the default editing apearance animation to badger_badger. ----- this would look funny on oriantation island seeing 10 newbies doing that. XD _____________________
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