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Myrrh Massiel
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07-26-2006 18:46
Vagabonds Yacht Club hosts the third Challenger Act, Saturday, 29 July, 12.00-2.00 PM SLT. Wind settings will be Direction 335+-38, Speed 12+-3, Rate 1.
 Race Line: Sanchon (96,162,20) Windward Mark: Sanchon (237,138,20) Reaching Mark: Sanchon (158,228,20) Leeward Mark: Sanchon (26,213,20) Top Mark: Haengbok (225,85,20) PLEASE NOTE: After rounding the southern sandbar in Banpo, the course may be navigated to either side of the northern sandbar in Jiseo, per the skipper's discretion. All return legs must pass west of the island in Jingi, however. |
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Myrrh Massiel
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Challenger Act 3 - Regatta Results
07-29-2006 23:07
 Race Results CODE RACE 1 Skipper Finish Start Lap 1Regatta Results CODE Challenger Total Race 1 Race 2 Race 3 Race 4 Race 5 Race 6Series Results CODE Challenger Total Act 1 Act 2 Act 3 Act 4 Act 5 Act 6Series Challengers FMYC - Flappy's Marina and Yacht Club KS - Kazenojin Seiringu MBYC - Mowry Bay Yacht Club SYC - Starboards Yacht Club VYC - Vagabonds Yacht Club |
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Myrrh Massiel
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Challenger Act 4 - Course Map
07-30-2006 10:48
Mowry Bay Yacht Club hosts the fourth Challenger Act, Saturday, 5 August, 12.00-2.00 PM SLT. Wind settings will be: Direction 90+-15, Speed 10+-2, Rate 1.
 Race Line: Hepurn (122,80,20) Weather Mark: Jasckle (160,193,20) Wing Mark: Hahne (34,34,20) Reaching Mark: Jasckle (31,35,20) PLEASE NOTE: This course passes through the Race Line during each lap. To keep the course clear and reduce the load on taxed server resources, Challengers should moor between races in the designated Res Area south of the Race Line, in Mowry. It is imperative that all Challengers res their boats afresh in the designated area in order to register the race windsetter. |
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Myrrh Massiel
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Challenger Act 4 - Regatta Results
08-06-2006 15:07
 Race Results CODE RACE 1 Skipper Finish Start Lap 1 Lap 2 Lap 3Adjustments applied as ruled by the Protest Commitee, consisting of Jurors Geoff Gavaskar, Eloise Pasteur, and Static Sprocket. Regatta Results CODE Challenger Total Race 1 Race 2 Race 3 Race 4 Race 5 Race 6Adjustments applied as ruled by the Protest Commitee, consisting of Jurors Geoff Gavaskar, Eloise Pasteur, and Static Sprocket. Series Results CODE Challenger Total Act 1 Act 2 Act 3 Act 4 Act 5 Act 6 Series Challengers FMYC - Flappy's Marina and Yacht Club KS - Kazenojin Seiringu MBYC - Mowry Bay Yacht Club SYC - Starboards Yacht Club VYC - Vagabonds Yacht Club |
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Myrrh Massiel
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Challenger Act 5 - Course Map
08-06-2006 15:25
Kazeonijin Seiringu hosts the fifth Challenger Act, Saturday, 12 August, 12.00-2.00 PM SLT. Wind settings will be: Direction 90+-45, Speed 10+-5, Rate 1.
 Race Line: ANWR (152,243,20) Windward Mark: Sandra (128,128,20) Leeward Mark: Cyclops (128,40,20) |
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Pixeleen Mistral
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08-09-2006 14:19
When SYC drove its boat up VYC's transom in race 2 and damaged our boat,
we protested and appear to have won the protest, since there is an adjusted score for us, and SYC received a DSQ. How did the committee arrive at 3.4 points for VYC's adjusted finish? I would have thought you would take the average of the other finishes. My calculator says that (4+3+3+5+.75)/5 = 3.15. Why do you list us with 3.4 points? I can't think of a way to come up with that number. It would also be nice to see the protest committee's rationales for its decisions published. |
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Myrrh Massiel
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DNS/DNF/DSQ Scoring - Clarification
08-09-2006 16:49
DNS/DNF/DSQ scoring for the Challenger Acts is determined by the total number of series Challengers plus one, rather than the more typical interpretation of the ISaF Racing Rules of Sailing 2005-2008 Appendix A Paragraph 4.2 as the total number of boats attending an individual regatta plus one. Reference the Summer 2006 SLSF Cup Protocol, Series Format and Scoring, Paragraph 4:
Individual Challenger Act races are scored on a low-point system, with 0.75 points for first place and points equivalent to finishing position for each remaining place, per race. Did-not-finish (DNF), Did-not-start (DNS), and Disqualified (DSQ) races are awarded points equal to the total number of SLSF Cup Challengers, plus one. I'll inquire with the Protest Committee regarding publication of their ruling details. |
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Myrrh Massiel
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Automated Start Judgments - Clarification
08-09-2006 22:31
After careful review of both technical and pragmatic implications of the Race Line's automated start judgements, the SLSF Cup Committee will exercise the following policy for all future races within the Summer 2006 SLSF Cup regatta series:
Unless instructed otherwise by the Race Committee, all start times shouted by the Race Line indicate a valid and legal start, regardless of negative times or automated announcements to circle around and start again. In short, the time recorder and illegal-start announcer lag slightly behind the actual governing timer which validates starts, finishes, and laps. |
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Myrrh Massiel
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Challenger Act 6 - Course Announcement
08-12-2006 09:06
Buccaneers Sailing Federation has graciously offered to host the final Challenger Act, next Saturday, 19 August, on their home waters. Details and course map to follow.
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Myrrh Massiel
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Challenger Cup and SLSF Cup - Course Announcement
08-12-2006 09:16
Linden Lab has confirmed that the Challenger Cup and SLSF Cup will debut four brand-new full-load sims, Ruthenium, Rhodium, Osmium, and Iridium, from August 25th-September 3rd.
The course will be an open-water Olympic Triangle. Details, course map, and terraforming to follow. |
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Myrrh Massiel
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Challenger Act 5 - Regatta Results
08-12-2006 15:49
 Race Results CODE RACE 1 Skipper Finish Start Lap 1 Lap 2 Lap 3 Lap 4Regatta Results CODE Challenger Total Race 1 Race 2 Race 3 Race 4 Race 5 Race 6 Race 7Challenger Act 5 was abandoned, unscored, and does not weigh upon series standings. Series Results CODE Challenger Total Act 1 Act 2 Act 3 Act 4 Act 5 Act 6Series Challengers FMYC - Flappy's Marina and Yacht Club KS - Kazenojin Seiringu MBYC - Mowry Bay Yacht Club SYC - Starboards Yacht Club VYC - Vagabonds Yacht Club |
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Pixeleen Mistral
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08-12-2006 21:22
wow
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Saxxon Domela
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Heavy Obligations
08-12-2006 21:37
Due to the many obligations I face each day as the janitor of the Mowry Bay Yacht Club, I am no longer able to devote the time needed to fathom the deep and mysterious decisions reached by the SLSF in re: the Cup. Following today's events, I found myself totally confused and unable to plumb the great depths of thought that cancelled the race results. It is because I am not brilliant, not deep, not able to see clearly the wise and astute decisions made by the SLSF, that I feel I must leave the organization and confine myself to more simple tasks such as sweeping and tipping out the trash.
Saxxie _____________________
Remember, you can be replaced by a normal child!
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Tasha Kostolany
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08-12-2006 21:46
As Team Captain of the Mowry Club, On what grounds are these races thrown out? because the results don't fit the world view of who runs the cup and who is predetermined to win?
I DEMAND to know on who's authority and on what grounds, and what process was followed, for these races to be thrown out? I also DEMAND to know why these same procedures and results of dismissel were not made in week 2 at Holliwood. I DEMAND to know why our Yacht club was not notified why no one on our team was contacted before this announcement was made? I DEMAND an immediate apology in the way this was handled; and I also DEMAND an explanation for these capricious and arbitrary rule changes that are made by SOME in charge of these so called Cup Series These explanations need to be filled out in triplicate, and filed at our office no later than 6 pm sl time with copies submitted at this forum board and two other forum threads to be named later when ever we feel like it. |
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Svar Beckersted
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The Challenger Cup
08-12-2006 23:03
The Challenger Cup is a match racing tournament broken into two parts. A match racing round-robin will see all teams sailing head-to-head, the final score incorporating bonus points from the Challenger Acts. The top four teams will then compete in a single-elimination first-to-win-three match racing tournament to be awarded the Challenger Cup.
This is from the first post, so unless this has changed there are only 4 teams currently competing and they will compete in a single-elimination first-to-win-three match racing tournament to be awarded the Challenger Cup. The results of the six Challange series will mean nothing other than pride for these 4 teams and the results of the single-elimination first-to-win-three match racing will determine the two teams to actually compete for the cup. Relax everybody and lets use this time to learn and have fun. |
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Myrrh Massiel
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Challenger Act 5 Scoring - Clarification
08-12-2006 23:25
We will be posting the detailed individual race results later.
Today's regatta was a very difficult call to make. Four of seven races were too severely compromised to include as a fair measure of comparative fleet performance, and Challengers raised serious and valid concerns regarding the legitimacy of scoring the other three. After nearly two hours of deliberation, the SLSF Cup Committee concluded that there was no way to equitably score today's regatta - every permutation grievously injured one party or another in mutually exclusive fashion. Given that the results of Challenger Act 5 have a negligible impact upon the series outcome - they contribute at most 4% toward seeding who races against whom for the Challenger Cup match racing semifinals in which all of today's participants will compete - the only fair course of action was to abandon today's results from weighing upon series standings on the same grounds by which precedent was set in Challenger Act 1, that of over half of its races thrown out without valid redress. I will remind all Challengers that this series' four governing documents - the SLSF Cup Deed of Gift alongside the Summer 2006 Terms of Challenge, Protocol, and Class Rule - have been both publically posted and privately distributed amongst all Challengers in advance of any series regattas, and have not changed since initial publication other than minor reformatting to improve readability. These documents clearly and meticulously detail every rule under which this series is managed, and for the benefit of the myriad redundant questions the SLSF Cup Committee has fielded over the course of this series, their most salient details have been previewed, summarised, and distributed on countless occasions with pointers back to the source documents. |
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Tasha Kostolany
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08-12-2006 23:26
That doesn’t sound like an apology to me, and I want answers to our demands!
If the races are nothing but Pride then why are these thrown out? And why was week 2, where our team was repeatedly griefed, just shrugged off and accepted?. This was handled extremely poorly by the committee and Mowry Club Demands an apology along with these other answers!!! And I want chapter and paragraph on what authority and on what grounds you dismiss this weeks race! |
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Theodore Polonsky
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08-13-2006 05:23
The results of the six Challange series will mean nothing other than pride for these 4 teams and the results of the single-elimination first-to-win-three match racing will determine the two teams to actually compete for the cup. In addition to pride, which you seem to discount completely, the Challenger Acts also affect seedings in the Round Robin portion and final Challenger Series. It does matter. Obviously. And if the organizers don't think any of this matters, they need to look at the depth of emotion this poorly handled situtation has generated, and think again. More later. |
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Ida Keen
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08-13-2006 05:27
So the real winner of this week's race is the griefers?
Sorry, but if the race matters so little in the overall standings (and is just pride) it seems to me that throwing it out is just allowing the griefers to high 5 each other about a successful days work. |
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Theodore Polonsky
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08-13-2006 06:04
I will remind all Challengers that this series' four governing documents - the SLSF Cup Deed of Gift alongside the Summer 2006 Terms of Challenge, Protocol, and Class Rule - have been both publically posted and privately distributed amongst all Challengers in advance of any series regattas, and have not changed since initial publication other than minor reformatting to improve readability. One thing that has not been public and visible is the decision making process of the Cup Committee. It is very frustrating to race a difficult series of races. It is even MORE frustrating to leave that event feeling good and then find 10 hours later that the regatta is being abandoned, and the event organizers don't think it matters anyway. Then, when you see a fellow competitor who is EXTREMELY upset about the actions be dismissed and ignored, man....that's frustrating, too! The best part, though...the BEST part, is when you realize that the Committee probably knew WHILE WE WERE RACING that the regatta would be abandoned. So, if it doesn't matter, and it's just about stupid pride anyway, why didn't you call the regatta early? Before my next paragraph, I'd like to make absolutely clear that I am neither suggesting that Myrrh and Oliphant have acted improperly or confused their roles as organizers and participants, nor am I suggesting that the Committee has acted unfairly towards one Challenger over another. I just think that what COULD be going through Challengers' and spectators' minds over this should be considered. Given that the event director and the course director are both active and competitive sailors in this series I would have expected the Cup Committee to act in a much more open fashion, either with all competitors or a representive from each Challenger being invited to attend the Committee meetings, or at least chat logs saved for public review. Instead, the Committee has retreated away and then published results many hours later, with little or no explanation. For instance, what does "four of seven races were too severely compromised to include as a fair measure of comparative fleet performance" mean? How were they compromised? If it was griefers, does it matter who was griefed? Does the orbitee have to be someone the committee expected to win in order to compromise a race? We in the SL sailing community take sailing seriously. We wouldn't be doing this if we didn't. Shouldn't we take event management as seriously as we take the sailing? On a personal note: Tasha, I'm sorry you're so upset over this, and aren't getting any responses. I hope the Committee addresses your concerns in public or private very soon. |
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Pacifien Massiel
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08-13-2006 08:23
I'm not the SLSF Committee, so don't take what I say as any sense of authority.
Things I know about the races yesterday: 1. One particular racer seemed targeted for griefing, which is different from previous griefings which seemed to target the racers randomly. 2. One team said they would have raced the entire regatta differently if they had known that some of the races were going to be abandoned. So taking those two things into account: 1. It didn't seem fair to count all the races since one team's results were specifically compromised by being targeted. 2. It didn't seem fair to discount some of the races since another teams results were specifically compromised by strategy. Personally, number two should haven't been an issue if two things were done: 1. The committee had made it clear that races within a regatta could be abandoned. 2. Teams treat every race like it counts. Other things I know: The SLSF Cup has a history of controversy ever since Al Kaiser first mentioned the idea. Originally planned as a series to run over one weekend, those plans had to be abandoned when it was clear that different yacht clubs perceived unfairness in the process. Later on, Myrrh Massiel came up with what she felt was a grander, more fair concept of the SLSF Cup. Its success hinged on one factor, that no yacht club would have any say in the final decision processes of the Cup. Good idea in theory, but with all three of the SLSF Cup organizers racing on various teams, the perception of fairness utterly fails. My own opinion: I have probably told Myrrh daily over the course of this series to abandon it. My own experiences with events in SL is that no good intention goes unpunished. The SLSF Cup has been griefed several times and pretty much every yacht club has cried foul over the process multiple times as well. In spite of this, Myrrh spends hours of her time writing her lengthy instructions for the event, researching security measures, researching course layouts, answering questions, listening to complaints. I am not kidding when I say hours. She won't abandon the Cup because she says she finishes what she starts and this is her own responsibility to see through. She spends so much time organizing it because she is an annoying perfectionist. The event might be far from perfection, but she does all she can to sure that was through no fault of her own. (Personally, I think the perfecting attitude has caused its own problems, but that's another matter.) For all this work, you'd think she'd open up the organizing committee to help her. There are several people that have come out of the woodwork who weren't around during the beginning planning stages of the SLSF Cup who would be more than willing to help now. Why Myrrh doesn't take advantage of this, I can only guess. An Apology: Hell, I will apologize a thousand times over for all the frustration this Cup has caused for all involved. I'm sorry for all the time the organizers and participants have spent on this, only to have something go wrong with practically each act. I'm sorry that so many people are viewing the organizers or competition with having some secret, malicious intent. I'm sorry so many people aren't having fun in this series. And I'm particularly sorry that my best friend, previously viewed as a calm, fair, mediating soul, is now viewed as anything but. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. |
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Tasha Kostolany
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08-13-2006 09:48
I should keep my mouth shut as the Morwy Club is still formulating our official response to the non-response (Jamey is out of town) but I have to give my *personal* opinion.
We all recognize the intense time and effort on Myrrh’s part to pull this SLSF together and keep it going week after week. However with any growing thing, at some point in time, the organization needs to become more inclusive. Myrrh needs to realize the vision she had is succeeding, partly anyway, that there are passionate people wanting to help but voices aren’t being heard. There have been some EXCELLENT ideas advanced by some to solve the Griefing problems. People have wanted to help with the races which have been turned down, and clubs which should rightfully have a representative on the committee have not been invited. As brilliant as Myrrh is, and she is brilliant and I love her for what she’s done for sailing in SL, she and the committee need to be more open. The problems on the course and races this last Saturday were not unnoticed by the Mowry people and we weren’t unsympathetic to what was probably the intentions behind the decision, it’s just that it was all done behind closed doors which rankles me personally and was a slap in the face to our lead skipper – Mowry should have been in the decision making process – in fact – all of the participating clubs should have been part of the decision. |
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Svar Beckersted
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An Apology
08-13-2006 10:26
All opinions expressed by me were my personal opinions and in no way represent any official committee opinion as I am in no way associated with the comittee other than volunteering my time to support a sport I love. I'm sorry many patricipants are not enjoying this event as much as I am and I have not competed other than practicing with any of the competitors who do compete when we were both on a race course at the same time. I hope when the series concludes all 4 teams will feel whomever the eventual team winner is that the competition was fair in the end and the top team has the cup.
Currently, and this just my personal opinion, any of the 4 teams could be the eventual winner and it wont be luck that determines this. The eventual winner will be the team that displays the preparation and teamwork coupled with skill and tactics necessary to win. The teams who appear to be the top teams currently are the ones I see practicing, so given equal perparation I don't have a clue who will win but am eager the see. |
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Theodore Polonsky
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Why this matters
08-13-2006 11:18
Here's the thing. I'm trying to play two roles here. One, I'm trying to point out how people in the community are feeling in response to this, so the committee can respond and get better at relating these things. Two, I'm pissed, because I raced the hell out of one of those races (which everyone finished!), and it was really exciting for me, and that doesn't happen often. So when I won a race, it thrilled me, and then *BAM* nope, I didn't win, it didn't count.
There were several races where there were tough battles fought for 2nd, only to discover that Faykin had been orbited. The people who raced those races still worked really hard for 2nd. If they had input into the process, I bet some/all would have been fine with SYC having the win that would have been theirs, because they were proud of their efforts to win 2nd. Or 3rd, for that matter. Everyone on the water yesterday sailed hard. It was an exhausting regatta. People's practice paid off. And it was a shock to find out 10 hours later that it had all been "abandoned, unscored" as if it never happened. No one can doubt that the Cup is a success. Just look at how much emotion is invested in it, even at this early stage, when it "doesn't matter" anyway. But I really do think that having more openness in the Committee's deliberations would make alot of us feel better about some of these decisions. And it would be unfair of us to keep those feelings to ourselves while there's still time for the committee to respond to them. PS: Open Question, in my mind: Was Faykin targetted, or was it the first person to the mark? Pixie and Oli's boat was orbitted in race 1. |
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Pacifien Massiel
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08-13-2006 11:55
Mowry should have been in the decision making process – in fact – all of the participating clubs should have been part of the decision. I know the reason why this particular SLSF Cup is designed not to include participating clubs in the decision process is because the first attempt at an SLSF Cup? Died because participating clubs were in the decision making process. Seriously. So with that said, I don't believe participating clubs should have a say in the decisions made by the organizers. Though everyone probably deserves the right to know why decisions were made, and I know that was Myrrh intent (the announcement did have "details to follow"  , but the fact that she didn't last night was entirely my fault. Why? Because I told Myrrh that no matter what crisis develops, she had to log out at 6 pm SLT so that we could have pizza and watch Batman Begins. So for those left in the dark, I'm sorry. I was hungry.Of course, another argument can be made that the organizers are also on participating clubs. However, this should not be seen as the VYC and KS having representation on the committee. This had probably more to do with finding people interested in doing anything for the SLSF Cup at the start of the summer. Those interested at first were, sadly, very small and so there are double roles played. This isn't the problem now, there are plenty of people not affiliated with any particular club who can be organizers now. Why the organizers don't change the committee, I don't know. Unless they fear people crying foul that a change is being made at all. Which happens. And in conclusion, even I was annoyed at Myrrh's answer from earlier, which has the tone of being not much of an answer at all. She thinks saying "four races were compromised" is an answer when it fails to tell people "why?" and "how?" When I talk to her in-world later on about making changes to the format, she yells "I don't have the authority!" as if I'm supposed to automatically know *who* has the authority. (Which no one does, apparently. The authority is apparently the Deed of Gift.) So yeah, the answer sucks chickens because it tells me nothing other than the answer is out there and I'm supposed to figure it out myself. If it makes anyone feel better, I did tell Myrrh quite clearly that it was the worst answer ever. Worst. Ever. But then I can see how hard it would be to answer at all when you say "details to follow" and before you get the chance to get to that point, you're being demanded to apologize. All because I wanted pizza, too. It wasn't even that good. Also, people should be proud of their achievements in the last act whether it is "officially" counted or not. It's still scored for all to see. It's not like any other regatta out there gives you anything more than bragging rights either. Like the right to say you kicked Faykin and Myrrh's asses like I'm going to do today. |