1.10.0 Crashes

Anyone else been crashing A LOT since 1.10.0?

Granted I am doing CRAZY things... LIKE WALKING. But still. 5 times in an hour!

I've got an admittedly ancient PowerBook G4/667 mHz, 512 RAM which limped along in SL just fine until today's update. Now I get an "unable to log on" message when I launch the program.

So is SL unavailable to me until I get a new computer (one w/an intel chip)?

I'm crying!

Sincerely,

Harpnhorn Twang

I uploaded the newest Nvdia graphics driver and set SL to the lowest possible settings and within minutes i began to see large color flashes and the chat bar faded from white to grey.
I logged off for fear that i damaged my graphics card. I know i cant replace my Video card so i guess now SL is to advanced for my PC. you should warn people that is too advanced for Nvidia 5700 series cards

They busted something in the client for Mac OS X 10.3.9, read here:

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The implication is that 10.4.x is still working, but I haven't been home yet to try that out.

looks like im SOL for the foreseeable future.

I guess I'll hijack my own thread back on subject...

It seems that LL has broke the bandwidth limiter. I've turned mine down to 50 kbps and still it pushes to 600kbps plus. Needless to say if you don't have a G5 or better you're getting lagged offline from the extreme packet loss caused by not being able to process the incoming packet storm.

Good job LL!

Big Ol' G5 Dual Processor, 2.5GB RAM, ATI Pro Mac Edition (256) and 8 Mbit cable connection. It rocks.

Picked up FPS all over the place - 10+ in general to 20's, 30's and some 40's. And inside a build....woot for occlusion culling! Features Tab - Flex and Lights are also great. In fact Lighting has to be turned down in Intensity and Radius due to the brightness it renders. And, oh yeah, SL recognizes the AGP slot (always has for me).

Sorry to hear Mac OS 10.3.9 has a bug, but 10.4.6 appears to be solid with the new client.

Thanks Brent and team.

On this end: Big ol' G5 dual processor, 1GB RAM, Nvidia 6800 Ultra (256), and 2.5 Mbit DSL. It sucks.

Normal framerates around any significant builds have dropped to 6-12 seconds per frame. Avatar vertex program is now unavailable, as are all avatar rendering options except normal. And don't even think about opening the map - instantaneous loss of network connection, with SL of course taking ten minutes to realise it's crashed my DSL modem.

Until this is remedied, SL is patently unusable for me. Not even as a bare-bones chat room, because simple just typing exhibits the same lag issues.

See this thread for updates on the status of the 10.3.9 bug.

I feel you pain!
Was in more or less the same situation until the update: iMac G4/700 mHz, 768 RAM - that worked quite well.
BUT...
Get the same "unable to log on" every single (of the 50) times I've tried to log in! boo hoo..

Oh, and I'm using OS 10.3.9.

So has the software outgrown the hardware?
Or has anybody else fixed this problem by upgrading to OS 10.4?

Jake, according to Brent Linden, 10.3.9 compatibility was hosed by a last minute "fix." No one with 10.3.9 can get in, and, once more according to Brent, there are so few of us affected that they're probably not going to implement the patch to help us until Friday.

Needless to say, a fair number of us are upset that our inability to log in at all is taking a back seat to the "quality issues" of the more numerous population.

People with 10.4.6 are getting in with no problems, so I'm going to upgrade as soon as I can get a ride to the store. (Probably early afternoon.)

I'll let you know how it goes, but it seems to be no problem, for those who have already upgraded.

...yep, I saw the notice about fixing this problem friday..
and of course I saw it two seconds after posting..
*BLUSH*..
why can you never see those answers BEFORE posting and making a fool of yourself
- oh well..
at least I got a chance to express sympathy with my fellow 10.3.9-sufferers
- and a chance to prove to myself that I'm NOT addicted!..
sure I can wait 24 hours or so..
*face twisting with ticks*

Guess that explains why I can survive for about 4 seconds before my system is overloaded and hangs.

SL unuseable - nice going LL ( !!I am impressed!! )

I am outa here until it is fixed.

I just updated to 10.4.6 and I'm still locked out, can only log in to the preview area, so it looks to me like this isn't just a 10.3.9 problem....

Wow, that's interesting news (and distressing!), indeed.

As I mentioned earlier, I'm running on a tired old PBG4/667 mHz, but neglected to say that it's on OS 10.3.9. I've assumed that upgrading to Tiger would max out my system even more. Anyone out there have thoughts/opinions on this? Would upgrading slow my already comatose system even more?

It's weird to not only be in the "minority" of being an Apple user, but a minority WITHIN a minority using an older system!

I sure hope this is fixed by tomorrow so I can attend my friend and sl sister Kazoo Twang's concert in Dublin!

Harp

I run SL on a 1.33 GHz powerbook G4 (17inch) with a GB or SDRAM, running OS X 10.4.6 I have a cable connection with a blazing fast connection. And it all worked wonderfully until the update. Now I cannot fly around my own empty, PG sim at 3:00 am SLT without lagging. Its almost impossible to use. I played around with settings and get nothing. except blured vision when I fly. Nothing draws until I am on top of it and then because of the lag I am passed it and waiting to return. Rooms full of people are killer.

Can I have my old client back?

What can I do to make a difference?

Running 1 1.5GHz G4 Powerbook with 10.4.6 and having a lot of crashing problems. I crashed about 6 times last night, and 3 times in the past 30 minutes. Seems like something got severely broken in the Mac version, which is kinda sad since my PC runs 1.10 better than it ran 1.9.

I am not a very technical person, but I have a Mac G4 with 10.4 installed. The latest upgrade made me crash more times than I can count, and I could barely move.
I am also experiencing 40-50% packet loss so if anyone has any suggestions about this I would appreciate your help.

I have high speed cable with no other connectivity problems.

Thanks

If anyone would read all my posts in this thread I have explained WHY THIS IS HAPPENING. Why don't you idiots READ BEFORE YOU POST? Even Brent Linden didn't bother to read before he posted about 10.3.9. Also the "me too" posts don't help. They further blur the thread causing even more people to not find the answer.

At least the thread has be hijacked back on track AGAIN.



This is also affecting the PCs as well. See: this thread.

The actual problem is either that the servers are ignoring the bandwidth setting and sending more anyway or that the client isn't sending the request to lower it. Could also be that with all the additional data for lighting, etc. that it's just more data than we'll be able to handle.

Either way we gained some useless features at the expense of MOST people's usablity. AGAIN. With all the lip service given lately to SL being a business environment you'd think they'd start TREATING IT LIKE A BUSINESS.

First off, Mr Spork, there is no call for rudeness. Ms. Faddoul explained that she was non technical, and needed help - no cause for you get mideval on her, sheesh!

Secondly if LL was run like a business, there would likely be no Mac client at all. Sorry folx - hard cold reality - the Mac is down to 3.2% market share and sliding. There is no business incentive to put much effort, if any, into products for the Mac.

I posted what I hope is a helpful suggestion here

In the mean time, anyone with more knowledge of the Mac than I have, please, if you can make some suggestions to make the best of the situation, I am sure folx like Ms. Faddoul would appreciate it.

Mr. Spork, I don't doubt for a moment that you are having the problem that you say you are having. But it's not universal.

I went out and got Tiger first thing on Thursday, because I'm in the middle of something with deadlines in SL and can't afford to be locked out just now. Because of your posts, I paid particular attention to the Bandwidth. I set it to 300kbps, and it stayed there through several log-outs and log-ins. It was still there when I quit for the night just now.

So, it's entirely possible that the other people having problems aren't having the same one that you are.

By the way, I'm not having any; and I'm on kind of a middle-of-the-road machine at this point. (Dual G5 with 1.5 GB Ram. I'm sorry, but it's very late and I don't remember the clock speed at this hour of the morning. But the computer is almost 2 years old, if that gives an idea.)

Oh! And I'm really liking most of Tiger, but why can't I see how many letters are in the mailboxes? (scratching head.)

Just my experience.

3.2% overall market share perhaps for the Mac. However, it represents more like 80% usage among creative content providers, artists, music, advertising, web, interactive, etc. Where would SL be without a significant portion of the highly creative people contributing to its success?

It's not universal. If you have a machine that can process the full bandwidth (any dual G5 qualifies as well as most PCs), then you'll have no problem. For the rest of us, the problem is that we can no longer limit the bandwidth.

LL defined this as a "problem with low end video cards". The reality is any machine that can't handle the full bandwidth is affected.

Entirely true, Ms. Neilsen - I don't dispute this point. The Creation of graphics, audio, and video is one application where the Mac truly shines. I do want the Mac users to have a postive SL experience, and did make a suggestion as to how that might be achieved in another thread.

We are working on a fix for bandwidth limiter issues, as well as not being able to correctly set the maximum packet size (causing the client to drop packets). A fix will not be available this weekend.