AcidicFlight Code Revealed! (Famous Public Land Scanner)
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Ace Cassidy
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12-02-2004 07:56
From: Chance Small My code, uses less sim resources than 75% of the people wearing a shitload of jewlery.
That's interresting too. This is interesting, because people wearing attachments that aren't scripted cause very little SIM-lag. They can cause client lag as it tries to draw all that stuff, but it doesn't affect the sim in the least once the geometry of the attachments have been sent to nearby clients. This statement alone, tells me you don't have a clue about lag. - Ace
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FlipperPA Peregrine
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12-02-2004 07:58
Well said, Ace.  As I said in the other thread, if Chance removes these useless lag nests, I'll gladly virtually shake his hand and give him a second chance. -Flip
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Madiera Westerburg
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12-02-2004 07:58
From: Lordfly Digeridoo Dear Chance,
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Signed, the SL community. I agree with sens here....chance was provoked....its not fair to pick on just one person how easy people overlook the other side
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12-02-2004 08:00
Chance provoked every other person owning land in a sim where he has 16 meters to run these lag nests. That's what started it.
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Madiera Westerburg
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12-02-2004 08:02
flip- while i dont like the randomly placed land scanners myself telling someone to go to hell is just as bad as the rest of it....you cant just get upset at ones use of language and totally ignore someone elses...or you CAN if you want to take sides i guess...either way i fault the provoker as much as i do the provokee
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CrystalShard Foo
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12-02-2004 08:03
I'm with Flipper and Lordfly.
Not much more to add that everyone else did not write allready.
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Schwanson Schlegel
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12-02-2004 08:04
Why not just take the open source information posted, drop it in a prim, and test it? Let's see what it does to sim performance instead of guessing. I'm at work ATM, otherwise I would try it. I have no clue what it does, but seems alot of this argument could be resolved easily.
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Jai Nomad
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12-02-2004 08:07
Schwanson is correct, this should be tested - but not on some empty island Sim, it needs to be tried on your average mainland Sim alongside all the other content that is there. Ideally someone truly neutral should do it (a linden?), and publish the results.
Jai
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splat1 Edison
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12-02-2004 08:14
From: Chance Small Dear Lordfly,
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Signed, Chance Small These are pg forums last time I checked, watch your mouth Small side note, sorry to all the people in briarcliff manor, I just tested half of this script out and droped the sim fps from 7k to 100, again sorry for causing the lag but I wanted to know how bad this script was. it would seem, that your testing is possiably flawed.
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Ace Cassidy
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12-02-2004 08:18
From: Schwanson Schlegel Why not just take the open source information posted, drop it in a prim, and test it? Let's see what it does to sim performance instead of guessing. I'm at work ATM, otherwise I would try it. I have no clue what it does, but seems alot of this argument could be resolved easily. Unfortunately, this is easier said than done, because to give these scripts an accurate workout, one would also have to set up the XML-RPC host as well. - Ace
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FlipperPA Peregrine
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12-02-2004 08:22
I don't have a problem with name calling or language... and in the UK, PG is quite different than here in the "too worried about other's morals instead of our own" USA. What I have a problem with is irresponsible community members causing a lot of lag, and leaving them there now just for spite. I couldn't care less about Chance's use of language and insults, they're actually quite amusing to me.  -Flip
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Cadroe Murphy
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12-02-2004 08:28
Dude, you can't tell someone to go to hell and then get all picky about just how rudely he tells you to shove it.
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Paris Cellardoor
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12-02-2004 08:34
From: Sensual Casanova They are just people begging to attack Chance... He may not be perfect, and the scanners may have upset some people, but they were within his rights, and no where near bad enough to have so much hate.
Edited, cus I cant type for crap.. Like I said before Sensual...you give Hispanic and Latina women a bad name. ((edited)) What you guys do to SL community (inworld and forums) is just sickening. This is not about hate...it's about respect, which neither you and Chance get.
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Madiera Westerburg
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12-02-2004 08:44
there is certainly NO reason to go after sensual paris....i think you need to chill out a bit there before you give yourself an aneurism
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Sensual Casanova
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12-02-2004 08:46
From: Paris Cellardoor Like I said before Sensual...you give Hispanic and Latina women a bad name. ((edited)) What you guys do to SL community (inworld and forums) is just sickening. This is not about hate...it's about respect, which neither you and Chance get. Would you like to tell me what it is I do to the SL community? Or you just like to run off at the mouth? ANd it is so damn ignorant of you to bring race into this, grow up Paris... go smoke a blunt.
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Water Rogers
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12-02-2004 08:47
Perhaps chance didn't realize that the code he had made would affect the sims and cause as much an emotional impact on the community as much as this thread has.
However, he DID release it as open-source.
In most programming forums i've attended where people release open-source code (no matter HOW bad it may eat at resources), most of the responses that follow offer helpful suggestions as to help clean up the code in an effective, and educational matter. I would go as far as to say that this code does look a bit intoxicating -- but i think i'd rather post something useful, such as a workaround to the particular nests involved. Or a different handling system then what was posted originally. This would work well in this situation, because solutions are offered and expressed.
Basically said, this code is now released into public hands. I'm assuming Chance offered it to the community to help rectify issues with it that may cause problems that he may have overlooked. I know that one solution "Get rid of it, it's Crap" seems easy enough... but it's unpractical because it IS released and it CAN be used. If you don't like it, fix it. So my question at this point.... how would you fix it?
--Water
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Chris Knox
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12-02-2004 08:53
Sorry, to change the subject, and act like a newb.
but
What does a land scanner do? Please don't rip me to shreds for being stupid, just let me know.
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eltee Statosky
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12-02-2004 08:54
From: Water Rogers Basically said, this code is now released into public hands. I'm assuming Chance offered it to the community to help rectify issues with it that may cause problems that he may have overlooked. I know that one solution "Get rid of it, it's Crap" seems easy enough... but it's unpractical because it IS released and it CAN be used. If you don't like it, fix it. So my question at this point.... how would you fix it?
--Water its useless code at this point tho water. The public land system has basically been canned (thanks in no small part *TO* this script)... therefor running it *NOW* is basically jus draining a sim for kicks... theres no real point to it (which is why chance released it, since he doesn care how much damage is done, and isn't makin money with it anymore)
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splat1 Edison
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12-02-2004 08:55
Yes true opining up the code like this has left room for improvments and good, but remember like giving out code for virsus's and worms, it gets a hell of a lot worse befor it gets good.
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Paris Cellardoor
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12-02-2004 08:55
From: Sensual Casanova Would you like to tell me what it is I do to the SL community? Or you just like to run off at the mouth? ANd it is so damn ignorant of you to bring race into this, grow up Paris... go smoke a blunt. You bring negativity into the forums especially when not needed. Oh yeah btw I do not smoke and am not childish for having my opinion of you.
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FlipperPA Peregrine
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12-02-2004 08:56
Water, the biggest problem here is that when this code was used, it was used for purposes of greed: getting released land before anyone else has a chance.
Now that released land automatically goes to auction, even in chunks as small as 128 square meters, using this much of a sim's resources is ever MORE ridiculous as they're being left there purely out of spite.
This is why people are so worked up. If it was USEFUL code that in some way that could help the community... but that needed improvement... I'm sure many people would be in board to help make the code as good and efficient as possible.
I highly doubt Chance came here looking for efficiency... the code has been released out of spite to the community to create even more lag bombs.
Regards,
-Flip
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Sensual Casanova
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12-02-2004 08:58
From: Paris Cellardoor You bring negativity into the forums especially when not needed. Oh yeah btw I do not smoke and am not childish for having my opinion of you. oh I bring negativity to the forums, ok maybe you are right, excuse me for not kissing the ass of every forum poster, and saying what i think... But I do not do anything to the SL community in world or out... and YES it is very immature the way you decide to personal attack me for whatever reason you have...
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12-02-2004 08:58
Chris Knox: Land scanners were used by land brokers in the past. They scanned an entire sim frequently and reported to their owner whenever any land was detected that was "public", IE, it could be bought for L$1 and resold for greed's sake at L$10, typically. This is ancient history, as public land now goes to auction, not for L$1 per square meter. So this code is completely useless, other than spiteful reasons of lagging sims, as eltee and I have pointed out above.  Regards, -Flip
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Ingrid Ingersoll
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12-02-2004 09:03
From: Chris Knox Sorry, to change the subject, and act like a newb.
but
What does a land scanner do? Please don't rip me to shreds for being stupid, just let me know. It's a scripted thingy that scans the area for released land that can be picked up cheaply by the owner of the scanner. It runs continually and creates lag, although there is a bit of a debate about how much lag it creates at the moment, apparently. We were all newbs once. 
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blaze Spinnaker
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12-02-2004 09:05
Everyone, let's just take a breather.
Chance has given us his scripts, something that probably took him several hours of hard work.
He has done this, for free.
Chance giving us something for free is not a good reason to flame him, but rather, congratulate him on moving the dialogue about land scanners forward.
How about all those people who *don't* give us their scripts and *don't* bother engaging the community in a constructive dialogue?
If you really need to flame someone - flame those people. Or better yet, go perform some specific experiments and report back to the forums about what you found.
This blind rage is just making us all look childish, rude and ignorant.
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