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malaysia Dion
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06-28-2006 11:40
The point I think you are missing sensual :
Primary Alt knew that this hack was out there received it and gave it to her alt. She didnt exploit her own stuff, she used her alt to use the exploit on another vendor knowing paying only one linden for the product, then only paid the right about after asking for her update.
The Primary Alt reported the exploit telling them that this was serious! (No transaction record) Not the Alt who used it, nor did she admit she was the one who did it, in that report. (read it)
Sensual Casanova
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06-28-2006 11:41
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That sounds like heresay and cannot be proven unless she sent the chat history to the Lindens in an AR at that point in time (correct me if I am wrong). That would have been cool if she had AR'd herself!!!

So she can say pretty much anything. I see the posts that were made at SLX, and if MadamG has the transaction in her transaction history, then the Lindens will see that as well.

If someone pays L$1 for something it will be in their transaction log. Period.
There's proof in there. The best thing would have been not to do it at all.

So maybe that's what you're missing.

Btw I went by the facts...
Quote from MadamG herself, and on the first paragraph of the first post in this thread...
From: someone
On April 23, 2006 at my in-world store location in Chicagon (Never 30). [**unamed person**] used the JEVN exploit to purchase a product of mine for L$1. The individual only coughed up the difference in price when asked to do so.
Adriana Caligari
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06-28-2006 11:42
From: malaysia Dion
The point I think you are missing sensual :
Primary Alt knew that this hack was out there received it and gave it to her alt. She didnt exploit her own stuff, she used her alt to use the exploit on another vendor knowing paying only one linden for the product, then only paid the right about after asking for her update.
The Primary Alt reported the exploit telling them that this was serious! (No transaction record) Not the Alt who used it, nor did she admit she was the one who did it, in that report. (read it)


Wrong - learn to read

I was logged in as an alt ( something i do often ) - I noticed the behaviour I paid the extra and full price, I notified MadamG, linden, Esmay, and a few otrher vendor makers.

The update came much much later
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06-28-2006 11:43
First off, she used a script to manipulate MadamG's vendor (thereby disrupting the system to obtain MadamG's product for 1L$). This, my friends, results in two-week suspension up to expulsion. Next, if the intended use of the purchase was to disect the product and build a new one, then that is somewhere else in the TOS that I know is probably worth suspension or expulsion. Combined, it's probably going to be expulsion.
Even if the rest of MadamG's side of the story is false and those are the only two wrong things done, it's still worth an expulsion. And if MadamG's story was entirely true, it's STILL worth an expulsion. LL, please get to work on this as Adriana even admitted to doing the above two things.

A few tips on preventing this occurrence if you are a builder/scripter:
1.) If you are building something, make sure all of the pieces are no mod no trans (or no mod no copy) to prevent them from being used in someone else's product.
2.) If they use the prim stats (size, rotation, etc.) to rebuild the object piece by piece, it is easy to see the exact similarities between the objects and check their owners, thereby proving this method.
3.) If you are a scripter (like me ^.^), then make your scripts no mod no trans (therefore they can't just copy the contents into their own script).

I do admit to "stealing" other people's work, but only on one condition: whenever I am put on a scripting job to make a vehicle (or I build one myself) I take the bare bones of the Simple Vehicle Script 1.0 (because I can't script vehicles for crap) and turn it into Super Vehicle Script 2.0, so to speak, while leaving the original author in the comment section and as the script author. This is not classified as theft due to the fact that it is a free script and that I leave the author name clearly stated.
Sensual Casanova
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06-28-2006 11:44
From: malaysia Dion
The point I think you are missing sensual :
Primary Alt knew that this hack was out there received it and gave it to her alt. She didnt exploit her own stuff, she used her alt to use the exploit on another vendor knowing paying only one linden for the product, then only paid the right about after asking for her update.
The Primary Alt reported the exploit telling them that this was serious! (No transaction record) Not the Alt who used it, nor did she admit she was the one who did it, in that report. (read it)

Man its no wonder you are posting on an alt...
reading comrehension much?
After Madam G updated her product, Adriana THEN posted on SLX because Madam G did not give her the update .. ugh
Joannah Cramer
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06-28-2006 11:46
From: malaysia Dion
The point I think you are missing sensual :
Primary Alt knew that this hack was out there received it and gave it to her alt. She didnt exploit her own stuff, she used her alt to use the exploit on another vendor knowing paying only one linden for the product, then only paid the right about after asking for her update.

If i read this thread correctly, this is not how it went.

* MadamG's version: "alt used exploit to pay L$1 for my item, then when i confronted them about it, they paid the missing amount"
* Adriana's version: "i used the exploit to pay L$1 for item, then IM'ed owner about it and sent them the missing amount"

how things really went, only they know.
malaysia Dion
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06-28-2006 11:48
adriana when something cost lets say 2500Lindens, I dont put in one linden....hummm
I read enough to be honest.
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06-28-2006 11:50
From: Sensual Casanova
Umm MadamG said it herself that she paid the corrected amount, so I dont think I am missing anything


After I had to request several times and threaten to AR her.
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06-28-2006 11:51
From: malaysia Dion
adriana when something cost lets say 2500Lindens, I dont put in one linden....hummm
I read enough to be honest.

Umm if someone really wanted to screw someone over or steal from someone they wouldnt pay the difference back, in TOS it is buyer beware and they are not penalized for using a bug, getting something lower then intended or whatever...
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06-28-2006 11:52
From: MadamG Zagato
After I had to request several times and threaten to AR her.

I see, well thats not what your orignal post said...
Andie Ramona
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06-28-2006 11:52
I don't know about any of the other details of this story..not getting into it. However, using the exploit and buying the product for $1 then paying the correct amount AFTER THE FACT..whether being contacted by the person who did first, or you having to contact them is just plain WRONG!
It's kinda like, I walk in a store, steal something, go back in the store later and go.."Oh hey, guess what, I ripped you off a while ago, but now I want to pay you for what I stole"...
How well do you think that would go over in real life?? lol
(this has been done to me on the game btw, someone told me they ripped me off, and paid me, another didn't tell me..but it showed on acct records).
Of course while I appreciated the ones who fessed up paid, doing so, if they wanted to *test the exploit* as they said, they could have ASKED ME FIRST! *rolls eyes*
Adriana Caligari
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06-28-2006 11:53
From: MadamG Zagato
After I had to request several times and threaten to AR her.


Well get linden to post the account entries

you must be a fast typer as the amounts are within 5 minutes of each other ( if that )
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06-28-2006 11:53
From: Sensual Casanova
Btw I went by the facts...
Quote from MadamG herself, and on the first paragraph of the first post in this thread...


So if MadamG had not been online??? Then what?
ROFL
Adriana Caligari
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06-28-2006 11:56
From: Over Sleeper
So if MadamG had not been online??? Then what?
ROFL


She wasn't she replied to me a day or two later ( and i have a copy of that "Thankyou very much - your an angle" note as well (on email as it was an SL - RL IM so it is verifiable ) - something I wouldnt expect if i was being AR'd )
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06-28-2006 11:58
From: Adriana Caligari
If you will stop for a minute and check your records you will see the vendor I purchased it from WAS NOT A JEVN - that exploit was never linked to JEVN despite the countless attempts to do so.


Oh so you admit that you tried several times to hack my JEVN???

Yes, lets check my records... There's no way you could have gotten it for L$1 any other way unless....

OH so there's ANOTHER EXPLOIT that you are aware of to use on purchasable prims???

The only other way to purchase that item was to purchase the trunk it was in which was L$1500. So now you are saying that you used another exploit in the system by your own admission.

Checking my records, the item purchased for L$1 was:
JEVN - N30 Scripted Products and Enhancements

So yes it was a JEVN server you hacked into.
Nice try though (but not really)
Sensual Casanova
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06-28-2006 11:59
From: Over Sleeper
So if MadamG had not been online??? Then what?
ROFL

Then it just would of had to wait, I know I dont always pay attention to fast pay amounts, I should, but sometimes I do not have the time to eye ball each one, one time I paid $1000 for something, I thought was $100... My fault...
This past Sunday, my family and I took a late night stroll to the waffle house.. our bill was $27.12, I paid wwith a 100 bill, the lady gave me back $92.88, and me not fully aware and awake, didint realize til I got back in the car, when I was putting my money away, I realized I had too much, and went back in the store and told the lady she only charged us $7.12 instead of $27.12... does that make me a thief?

Geez people, sometimes you guys have nothing better to do but to hop on a bandwagon... get a life!
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06-28-2006 12:05
From: MadamG Zagato
OH so there's ANOTHER EXPLOIT that you are aware of to use on purchasable prims???

Uhmm this is getting bit ridiculous now. There isn't "another exploit" _or_ "JEVN exploit" to speak of because they are --according to that mentioned thread-- one and the same: it was possible to ignore preset set on fastpay window, and pay any amount instead, down to L$1. Meaning, _all_ vendors which didn't check the amount they received were affected by it. included, but not limited to earlier version of JEVN...
malaysia Dion
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06-28-2006 12:05
sensual, she wasnt a newbie making a mistake. She had inside knowledge of this. MadamG didnt ask her to test out her vending machines! And yes I am not a vendor nor do I wish to be, but I do try to be honest even when NO ONE is looking.
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06-28-2006 12:08
From: MadamG Zagato
Oh so you admit that you tried several times to hack my JEVN???


That's actually NOT what was said.
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Sensual Casanova
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06-28-2006 12:08
From: malaysia Dion
sensual, she wasnt a newbie making a mistake. She had inside knowledge of this. MadamG didnt ask her to test out her vending machines! And yes I am not a vendor nor do I wish to be, but I do try to be honest even when NO ONE is looking.

Ok, so you were there and know everything step by step of what happen and what was going through Adrianas mind? and I think paying the difference is pretty damn honest, a true thief, or dishonest person would not have...
I am now reading this thread as nothing more than slander against Adriana... :(
Adriana Caligari
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06-28-2006 12:11
OK i grow tired of this

I have sent an Email to LindenLabs advising them of this thread - they after all have all of the details from all accounts involved.

Let them deal with it
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06-28-2006 12:13
From: Sensual Casanova
Ok, so you were there and know everything step by step of what happen and what was going through Adrianas mind? and I think paying the difference is pretty damn honest, a true thief, or dishonest person would not have...
I am now reading this thread as nothing more than slander against Adriana... :(


Who cares what happened step by step!
All that matters is the transaction. If it took place then it's wrong and it sounds to me like she admitted to it.
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Sensual Casanova
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06-28-2006 12:15
LMfao, now MadamG accused me of being an alt, and I am a bad business person cus I do not agree with her... Now I know this is all Bullshit and more than likely just a way to get free advertisement... *sighs* Get some help, for real...
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06-28-2006 12:16
From: Adriana Caligari
OK i grow tired of this

I have sent an Email to LindenLabs advising them of this thread - they after all have all of the details from all accounts involved.

Let them deal with it


Oh so you have grown tired all of a sudden now that you can no longer defend yourself. Yes they do have all the account details Thank God for transaction logs!

I guess you have decalred yourself Queen of these forums too. With you advising the Lindens of this thread they will do what?
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06-28-2006 12:17
From: MadamG Zagato
With you advising the Lindens of this thread they will do what?

They will close this thread and warn you or suspend you for slander, I think you already got a warning with your other accusations you made to someone else, if not you should have =/
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