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MadamG Zagato
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06-27-2006 17:18
On April 23, 2006 at my in-world store location in Chicagon (Never 30). [**unamed person**] used the JEVN exploit to purchase a product of mine for L$1. The individual only coughed up the difference in price when asked to do so. After an upgrade to my product, [**unamed person**] left a comment on SLExchange for the product which stated: [Linked not posted to comply with TOS]Posted By: [**unamed person**] at 2006-06-01 13:55:54 (has not purchased this item)I didn t get my update to [XXXXXXXXX] ?I didnt buy it on SLEX i bought it in world at your shop I then proceeded to deliver the item to [**unamed person**] in-world. Then another post appeared on that page after I delivered it: Posted By: [**2nd unamed person**] at 2006-06-02 16:23:45 (has not purchased this item)Item delivered in world – tyvm Screenshot:  It was then very obvious who [**unamed person**] was. [**2nd unamed person**] had contacted me previously on several occasions through several means [not limited to in-world IM's] requesting to do a “collaboration project” in which my source code would be exposed to him/her. I respectfully denied on each occasion and wished him/her the best. [No conversation details disclosed.] Then on June 20, 2006 I saw that [**2nd unamed person**] has a product for sale that has the exact same features as mine. He/She used his/her alt account to purchase and dissect my product. Now he/she is profiting off of my creative and original works. The product cannot be found in-world at his/her shop, but has been purchased by others according to the Ratings found at SLExchange: [Linked not posted to comply with TOS] Had this been his/her own idea I would not have been so concerned, however this was NOT his/her idea. He/she manipulated the system and used an alt account to assist in copying my work. I filed a DMCA report. But according to the law, he/she can file one right back and it wasn't but a blink of an eye before that happened. With all due respect, the folks at SLX did all they could do and had to do in accordance with the law. I have nothing but respect and feel no contempt for them. I said nothing about this because it was my intention to pursue this matter further. After speaking with an attorney AND with LL, I have come to an greater understanding of how copyright law works and does not work...especially for those who are in another country than the plantiff. So my only recourse as of this moment is to share this experience with all of you in hopes that anyone reading this will be made aware that there ARE people who do things like this in SL and do not care who their actions hurt or effect! I am sharing this with you all because I don't think that this is the first OR the last time this will ever happen to any of us. Yes, anyone can in fact create their own product be it a vendor, a table, a TV or what have you, but this was obviously a devious plot to obtain and dissect my work, then sell it as if it were an original idea. My product has been in constant development for months. This person just popped up with it a week ago as if it were their idea. I feel for developers who take the time to develop a product, releasing upgrades and working hard every day to make their product better. Then some person lacking in creative ability just writes down every feature and asks you how this works and that works and proceeds to duplicate it. I am so sorry this happened to me and anyone else who may have had a similar experience. Although I cannot disclose the details of the converstations that [**unamed person**] had, I can tell you that now it is obvious why they were asking the questions that they asked and I will never be so nice again. Finally, it does not matter that the indiviual is/was a respected designer/developer. Just because a person has been around for a while does not give them any right to steal the work of others. No matter how new I am to SL, I have creative talent just like everyone elses and my work deserves the same respect. It would seem like someone with so much talent could formulate their own ideas instead of leaching off of others. Thank you for listening and allowing me to vent.  [I have done my best to refrain from listing the name(s) of the individual in this statement. I have even asked a Linden to review this statement prior to posting to ensure that it is not in violation of the TOS and have made changes per his/her recommendation. Any statements posted hereafter by others are not my responsibility.] |
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nimrod Yaffle
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06-27-2006 17:34
Before anyone thinks it, it wasn't me. >_> MadamG, I'm very sorry to hear all this happening to you. It's a shame that there is not much you can do about it though. My sympathies go out to you. I'm not even sure what to say from here but best of luck dealing with that person. Sorry again to hear this. From: MadamG Zagato No matter how new I am to SL, I have creative talent just like everyone elses and my work deserves the same respect. Great sentence! 
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Jonas Pierterson
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06-27-2006 17:36
I know who it might be.
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Yumi Murakami
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Join date: 27 Sep 2005
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06-27-2006 17:45
Using the JEVN exploit to get a copy of your item was absolutely wrong right there, and you're right to complain about that. But the rest of it just sounds like they bought a copy of your product, then looked at how it worked and used that to design a competitor. I'm have a feeling this is just one of these nasty sides of business. It's not meant as an attack on you by the other person. You can bet that the founder of Burger King ate at McDonald's a fair number of times first, the founder of Pepsi drank Coke, the authors of Windows used GEM.. Yes, it's nasty when it happens to a product you've made; vice versa, it can make it hard to get noticed when you're coming in with a new product - I've experienced it from both these angles, and have to constantly have my guard up for it. It's especially bad for scripted gadgets because they have a lot less scope for "style" than other objects, so it's very easy for people to make copies that are perfect substitutes; it's why network effect is soo important to scripters  But think about it the other way: suppose someone else made an entirely original modeling studio, without buying yours, and theirs had some features yours didn't. Would you decide not to implement those extra features in your studio for your customers, on the grounds that to do so would be copying your competitor's ideas? |
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MadamG Zagato
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Join date: 17 Sep 2005
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06-27-2006 19:23
From: Yumi Murakami Using the JEVN exploit to get a copy of your item was absolutely wrong right there, and you're right to complain about that. But the rest of it just sounds like they bought a copy of your product, then looked at how it worked and used that to design a competitor. I'm have a feeling this is just one of these nasty sides of business. It's not meant as an attack on you by the other person. You can bet that the founder of Burger King ate at McDonald's a fair number of times first, the founder of Pepsi drank Coke, the authors of Windows used GEM.. Yes, it's nasty when it happens to a product you've made; vice versa, it can make it hard to get noticed when you're coming in with a new product - I've experienced it from both these angles, and have to constantly have my guard up for it. It's especially bad for scripted gadgets because they have a lot less scope for "style" than other objects, so it's very easy for people to make copies that are perfect substitutes; it's why network effect is soo important to scripters But think about it the other way: suppose someone else made an entirely original modeling studio, without buying yours, and theirs had some features yours didn't. Would you decide not to implement those extra features in your studio for your customers, on the grounds that to do so would be copying your competitor's ideas? Thanks for your words of encouragement Yumi. However, I would have to disagree that this WAS an attack on me because I refused to allow them to integrate their product in some "collaboration project" as they requested. I understand your reasoning and agree completely! But that just wasn't the case this time. The person got caught when they posted on my product page. I just want everyone to know what has transpired. In addition, after reading on their forums, I see where I got trashed as if I were the one who had done something wrong. Without saying a word I had been condemmed for filing a DMCA complaint. If those who had posted there had known where to look and see the truth about what had happened, I doubt that they'd be so sympathetic to her. Thanks Yumi |
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Doubledown Tandino
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06-27-2006 19:37
MadamG, I am naive when it comes to this... and am interested to learn more regarding this issue. what do you mean by "hack" your item? Is it that someone can read scripts they shouldn't be able to? Can you go into specifics about what your item does, and why it should be impossible to recreate?
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Devlin Gallant
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06-27-2006 20:20
Unamed person is a thief, and should be banned from SL...PERIOD! Unfortunately LL seems to be welcoming assclowns like this with open arms. 
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MadamG Zagato
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06-27-2006 21:01
From: Doubledown Tandino MadamG, I am naive when it comes to this... and am interested to learn more regarding this issue. what do you mean by "hack" your item? Is it that someone can read scripts they shouldn't be able to? Can you go into specifics about what your item does, and why it should be impossible to recreate? I never said they anyone hacked my product Doubledown. And no. I won't go into specifics because I will continue to protect the identity of the other person and to comply with the TOS. Nothing is impossible to recreate. The fact that the person used scandelous methods to do it and completely underminded my trust is what bothers me. |
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Eddy Stryker
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06-27-2006 22:45
I'm not sure that personal vendetta is justification enough to file a DMCA complaint against a competing product. The creator of Rez-Foo didn't go after Rez-Faux. The first person to build a slot machine in SL isn't trying to claim royalties off everyone else. Active Worlds didn't try and sue Linden Labs for SL.
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Adriana Caligari
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06-27-2006 22:51
From: MadamG Zagato On April 23, 2006 at my in-world store location in Chicagon (Never 30). [**unamed person**] used the JEVN exploit to purchase a product of mine for L$1. The individual only coughed up the difference in price when asked to do so. After an upgrade to my product, [**unamed person**] left a comment on SLExchange for the product which stated: [Linked not posted to comply with TOS] Posted By: [**unamed person**] at 2006-06-01 13:55:54 (has not purchased this item) I didn t get my update to [XXXXXXXXX] ? I didnt buy it on SLEX i bought it in world at your shop I then proceeded to deliver the item to [**unamed person**] in-world. Then another post appeared on that page after I delivered it: Posted By: [**2nd unamed person**] at 2006-06-02 16:23:45 (has not purchased this item) Item delivered in world – tyvm Screenshot: http://www.never30.com/Marketing/sn...1Screenshot.bmpIt was then very obvious who [**unamed person**] was. [**2nd unamed person**] had contacted me previously on several occasions through several means [not limited to in-world IM's] requesting to do a “collaboration project” in which my source code would be exposed to him/her. I respectfully denied on each occasion and wished him/her the best. [No conversation details disclosed.] Then on June 20, 2006 I saw that [**2nd unamed person**] has a product for sale that has the exact same features as mine. He/She used his/her alt account to purchase and dissect my product. Now he/she is profiting off of my creative and original works. The product cannot be found in-world at his/her shop, but has been purchased by others according to the Ratings found at SLExchange: [Linked not posted to comply with TOS] Had this been his/her own idea I would not have been so concerned, however this was NOT his/her idea. He/she manipulated the system and used an alt account to assist in copying my work. I filed a DMCA report. But according to the law, he/she can file one right back and it wasn't but a blink of an eye before that happened. With all due respect, the folks at SLX did all they could do and had to do in accordance with the law. I have nothing but respect and feel no contempt for them. I said nothing about this because it was my intention to pursue this matter further. After speaking with an attorney AND with LL, I have come to an greater understanding of how copyright law works and does not work...especially for those who are in another country than the plantiff. So my only recourse as of this moment is to share this experience with all of you in hopes that anyone reading this will be made aware that there ARE people who do things like this in SL and do not care who their actions hurt or effect! I am sharing this with you all because I don't think that this is the first OR the last time this will ever happen to any of us. Yes, anyone can in fact create their own product be it a vendor, a table, a TV or what have you, but this was obviously a devious plot to obtain and dissect my work, then sell it as if it were an original idea. My product has been in constant development for months. This person just popped up with it a week ago as if it were their idea. I feel for developers who take the time to develop a product, releasing upgrades and working hard every day to make their product better. Then some person lacking in creative ability just writes down every feature and asks you how this works and that works and proceeds to duplicate it. I am so sorry this happened to me and anyone else who may have had a similar experience. Although I cannot disclose the details of the converstations that [**unamed person**] had, I can tell you that now it is obvious why they were asking the questions that they asked and I will never be so nice again. Finally, it does not matter that the indiviual is/was a respected designer/developer. Just because a person has been around for a while does not give them any right to steal the work of others. No matter how new I am to SL, I have creative talent just like everyone elses and my work deserves the same respect. It would seem like someone with so much talent could formulate their own ideas instead of leaching off of others. Thank you for listening and allowing me to vent. [I have done my best to refrain from listing the name(s) of the individual in this statement. I have even asked a Linden to review this statement prior to posting to ensure that it is not in violation of the TOS and have made changes per his/her recommendation. Any statements posted hereafter by others are not my responsibility.]
Ok lets take this to pieces one bit at a time
From: MadamG Zagato
The individual only coughed up the difference in price when asked to do so.
The individual IM'd you immediately advising you of the exploit and sent you the money before you replied ( I have a copy of your thankyou note received 2 days later ) - the individual also posted a warning of exploit on the forums - see battle previously
From: MadamG Zagato
I didn't get my update to [XXXXXXXXX] ?
Yeps I posted that as your advert clearly stated all updates to come free - I was a purchaser And yeps I thanked you for it using my real avatar name
From: MadamG Zagato
It was then very obvious who [**unamed person**] was. [**2nd unamed person**] had contacted me previously on several occasions through several means [not limited to in-world IM's] requesting to do a “collaboration project” in which my source code would be exposed to him/her. I respectfully denied on each occasion and wished him/her the best. [No conversation details disclosed.]
I PM'd you once via SLexchange and never received a reply - nowhere in my PM did i mention opening source code ( quite frankly I don't need it )
From: MadamG Zagato
Then on June 20, 2006 I saw that [**2nd unamed person**] has a product for sale that has the exact same features as mine
If you had taken the time to read the manual you would have seen my product has features required of a photo studio and several that yours still has not got. ( although I see you are adding them rather rapidly )
From: MadamG Zagato
Now he/she is profiting off of my creative and original works
Untrue - Photo Studio is entirely my own work ( Functionality and design alterations were made after consultation with another Studio maker to make the unit more user friendly )
From: MadamG Zagato
Although I cannot disclose the details of the converstations that [**unamed person**] had, I can tell you that now it is obvious why they were asking the questions that they asked and I will never be so nice again.
Possibly because there wasn't and never has been a conversation between ourselves - if you believe it to be the case - please post it - I would love to read what I am supposed to have said So in short I offered a collaboration to you mentioning that I saw the natural progression of my camera system and particle system with your studio system to produce a good studio. I never received a reply - I did not pursue the matter further with you I started creating a studio Yes after creation I purchased your system ( actually on the day I discovered the exploit ) as I wanted to see what the competition looked like so that my product COULD NOT be accused of being a copy. I then - eventually posted the product ( much delays were had due to SL 1.10 ) Then the fun and games began. - You ejected my alt from your group
- You suddenly started a heavy advertising campaign
- Your price suddenly dropped
- After seeing that my product was rapidly approaching the best seller at SLX you posted a DMCA
- I counter posted
( I might add here that if you actually thought that a DMCA was valid you would have posted it with Linden Labs as well, and SLB - LL could see in an instant who's work was who's - you didn't - you posted with SLXexchange who had no way of verifying your claim )
- None of that caused me to withdraw the product
- You post this fantasy in a further attempt to discredit me
Believe whichever side of the story you will I know the truth from my side |
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Rakorneth Rezillo
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06-27-2006 23:34
Well, this got out of hand rather quick, didn't it?
I only have a few things to say about this:
The products in question may or may not be the same, I will not comment on that, but they are the same type of product. Similar products will always be... similar.
One person dropping their price is not any kind of an act against one person or another, it is simply a buisness tactic. Do you recall how McDonald's and Burger King made dollar menus at around the same time?
So just stop fighting and start competing! Put your goods up to the test, make them duke it out! Who knows, you could both become millionares!
On a side note, what is this JEVN exploit?
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MadamG Zagato
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06-27-2006 23:41
From: Adriana Caligari
Ok lets take this to pieces one bit at a time
The individual IM'd you immediately advising you of the exploit and sent you the money before you replied ( I have a copy of your thankyou note received 2 days later ) - the individual also posted a warning of exploit on the forums - see battle previously
Yeps I posted that as your advert clearly stated all updates to come free - I was a purchaser And yeps I thanked you for it using my real avatar name
I PM'd you once via SLexchange and never received a reply - nowhere in my PM did i mention opening source code ( quite frankly I don't need it )
If you had taken the time to read the manual you would have seen my product has features required of a photo studio and several that yours still has not got. ( although I see you are adding them rather rapidly )
Untrue - Photo Studio is entirely my own work ( Functionality and design alterations were made after consultation with another Studio maker to make the unit more user friendly )
Possibly because there wasn't and never has been a conversation between ourselves - if you believe it to be the case - please post it - I would love to read what I am supposed to have said So in short I offered a collaboration to you mentioning that I saw the natural progression of my camera system and particle system with your studio system to produce a good studio. I never received a reply - I did not pursue the matter further with you I started creating a studio Yes after creation I purchased your system ( actually on the day I discovered the exploit ) as I wanted to see what the competition looked like so that my product COULD NOT be accused of being a copy. I then - eventually posted the product ( much delays were had due to SL 1.10 ) Then the fun and games began. - You ejected my alt from your group
- You suddenly started a heavy advertising campaign
- Your price suddenly dropped
- After seeing that my product was rapidly approaching the best seller at SLX you posted a DMCA
- I counter posted
( I might add here that if you actually thought that a DMCA was valid you would have posted it with Linden Labs as well, and SLB - LL could see in an instant who's work was who's - you didn't - you posted with SLXexchange who had no way of verifying your claim )
- None of that caused me to withdraw the product
- You post this fantasy in a further attempt to discredit me
Believe whichever side of the story you will I know the truth from my side No I am not adding features to my product rather rapidly. My upgrades run on a schedule and I have not even touched my SLX description except to add the 2 or 3 new features/fixes that came with out new version. So squash that noise and quit trying to make yourself look better than you really are. I always have an advertising campaign. So what? Most products that are cheap imitations of other product in fact DO sell rapidly. So what? BTW I DID fax my DMCA to LL. I am not even going to address the remainder of your post because it is plain that you are trying to pick up the pieces. At least you admitted that it was your alt. And damn right I ejected you from the group. Furthermore, you have discredited yourself by the actions you carried out and by posting here. People in the SLX forums might fall for that crap, but I don't think your words hold much water here. |
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MadamG Zagato
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06-27-2006 23:44
From: Eddy Stryker I'm not sure that personal vendetta is justification enough to file a DMCA complaint against a competing product. The creator of Rez-Foo didn't go after Rez-Faux. The first person to build a slot machine in SL isn't trying to claim royalties off everyone else. Active Worlds didn't try and sue Linden Labs for SL. Did the creator of Rez-Faux use an alt to purchase Rez-Foo and then befriend her and ask several questions about Rez-FOo??? Probably not. If they did, then they deserve to have a complait filed as well. |
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Adriana Caligari
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06-27-2006 23:46
From: Rakorneth Rezillo Well, this got out of hand rather quick, didn't it?
I only have a few things to say about this:
The products in question may or may not be the same, I will not comment on that, but they are the same type of product. Similar products will always be... similar.
One person dropping their price is not any kind of an act against one person or another, it is simply a buisness tactic. Do you recall how McDonald's and Burger King made dollar menus at around the same time?
So just stop fighting and start competing! Put your goods up to the test, make them duke it out! Who knows, you could both become millionares!
On a side note, what is this JEVN exploit? Thats exactly what I did. I could have posted a DMCA against camera add-ons, HUDS etc - I didn't as I am aware no one has exclusivity over these things. My product is a photo studio of my own design , there are other photo studios out there , I am leaving it to buyers to decide which they prefer. ( although I will reply in forum to defend myself ) |
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Over Sleeper
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06-27-2006 23:47
From: Adriana Caligari
Blah blah blah...
I know the truth from my side
Sorry I didn't want to further pollute the screen of those reading this with more garbage. I just wanted you to have this because you seem like quite the actress:  Seems like a nasty thing you did and regardless of what "explanations" you have dreamed up. The evidence looks pretty damming. I certainly won't be buying any of your stuff. Dang, that really sucks Madam. People just cannot create their own ideas anymore. Best of luck to you!
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MadamG Zagato
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06-27-2006 23:51
From: Adriana Caligari Thats exactly what I did.
I could have posted a DMCA against camera add-ons, HUDS etc - I didn't as I am aware no one has exclusivity over these things.
My product is a photo studio of my own design , there are other photo studios out there , I am leaving it to buyers to decide which they prefer.
( although I will reply in forum to defend myself ) Bullshi* You dissected my product and created your own cheap imitation. And used scandelous methods to do it...to your own admission. Period. Seems like as a developer or designer you'd have some remorse for your actions, especially since you got BUSTED...or have the common decency to have not done it at all. But I guess it takes a lot of integrity to admi when you are wrong. Some people do not have that trait sadly. It's sad when someone complains about something like this and people like you try to turn it around as if they were right all along. Really sad. |
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Adriana Caligari
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06-27-2006 23:54
From: MadamG Zagato But I guess it takes a lot of integrity to admi when you are wrong. Some people do not have that trait sadly.
It's sad when someone complains about something like this and people like you try to turn it around as if they were right all along. Really sad. You said it perfectly. |
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MadamG Zagato
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06-28-2006 00:24
From: Adriana Caligari You said it perfectly. The quality of your character is obviuos in your actions as your alt and as you. |
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Rakorneth Rezillo
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06-28-2006 00:25
What really transpired here? how much of one person's idea was used in the other's? If the designs and scripts are exacly the same, then yes, there is a situation. If there are differences, then who cares?
Look, I can't script, so I've been known to rip scripts out of objects and then tape them into my own creations. Is this theft? I dont think it is, because I will freely admit that I cant script and if someone asks how I got a script into something, I tell them! most objects I have are freebies anyway, so how can you call it stealing?
about this... situation, are the scripts exactly the same as well as many deign features? If so, was it expressed on either product that reselling in a modified form is acceptable? If mod and copy were turned on, there is nothing to stop someone from stripping out a products innards.
hehe... innards...
PS. I like how no one has really replied to my previous post because it did not take sides. lol
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Over Sleeper
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06-28-2006 00:31
From: Rakorneth Rezillo What really transpired here? how much of one person's idea was used in the other's? If the designs and scripts are exacly the same, then yes, there is a situation. If there are differences, then who cares?
Look, I can't script, so I've been known to rip scripts out of objects and then tape them into my own creations. Is this theft? I dont think it is, because I will freely admit that I cant script and if someone asks how I got a script into something, I tell them! most objects I have are freebies anyway, so how can you call it stealing?
about this... situation, are the scripts exactly the same as well as many deign features? If so, was it expressed on either product that reselling in a modified form is acceptable? If mod and copy were turned on, there is nothing to stop someone from stripping out a products innards.
hehe... innards...
PS. I like how no one has really replied to my previous post because it did not take sides. lol Alt Pie anyone? LMAO
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Meghan Eldrich
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06-28-2006 00:36
Okay the first and most important point to make here:
Adriana Caligari admits to _HACKING_ MadamG's server to get the product for L$1. Wether or _NOT_ she did anything legal or illegal from this point forward is irrelevant. She _HACKED_ the server, she should be banned from SL, period. But to add to her dubious moral quality, she then seems to have "pestered" MadamG for more information regarding the inner workings of her product and thus gaining some sort of advantage when creating her own.
Purchasing the product to review it with the sole intention of "ripping it off" speaks volumes for the charecter of Adriana Caligari, but to have, yes you guessed it _HACKED_ the vendor to get the product in the first place makes her a thief and a cheat and yes I fully support seeing her removed from SL for these actions, wether she later payed the full price or not. There's no good excuse that can be presented for this sort of behavior.
With that said.. I don't believe that copying a good idea is illegal (or ever should be), the N30 product is superior to most that I have viewed, hence why I purchased the product. I think if a competitor wants to make a competing product with just as many good features, that, that is in the best interest of us all. It's what inspires "pushing the envelope" so to speak and can only make SL a better place.
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Adriana Caligari
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06-28-2006 00:52
From: Meghan Eldrich
Adriana Caligari admits to _HACKING_ MadamG's server to get the product for L$1.
I did not mention the word HACK If fact I did not go into the details of how I happened to observe the behaviour in that particluar vendor, I did however make it public knowledge and petitioned SL to fix it as soon as the behaviour was seen ( that very night - within minutes of verifying that the behaviour was not localised - verifiable via LL ) Would a HACKER be so upfront and ask for the door to be closed when they could have ripped the whole of SL without anyones knowledge ? |
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Summer Carmichael
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06-28-2006 01:02
From: Adriana Caligari I did not mention the word HACK
If fact I did not go into the details of how I happened to observe the behaviour in that particluar vendor, I did however make it public knowledge and petitioned SL to fix it as soon as the behaviour was seen ( that very night - within minutes of verifying that the behaviour was not localised - verifiable via LL )
Would a HACKER be so upfront and ask for the door to be closed when they could have ripped the whole of SL without anyones knowledge ? Why did you do this to begin with? Did I miss something? |
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Nyx Divine
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06-28-2006 06:10
*rolls eyes*
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Yumi Murakami
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06-28-2006 07:02
From what it sounds like, it's not the "JEVN exploit" that was used, but the "SetPayPrice exploit" (which JEVN appears to have been vulnerable to).
I think this thread illustrates an interesting social phenomenon in SL - because a single individual can create a "big business" on their own, you get a tricky situation because socialisation between individuals can create business effects that IRL would require large deals between big companies. The issue of exactly when "making friends with your competitors" becomes "industrial espionage" is similar to the issue of when "making friends with people making similar products" becomes "cartel" and I'm not sure how it can be resolved.
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