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... So, society on the whole benefits from people copying and improving others' ideas, but to check out someone's creation precisely for that purpose... 'speaks volumes for the character' of person in question?

It doesn't really make sense. You can have it one way or the other. not both...

here is a solution to checking out if there is a hole in a vendor that lets you test it out, WITHOUT attacking somone elses vendors. buy a copy of the system and try it out on your own , by testing the exploit on your OWN vendors? or asking a friend who owns a vendor system you want to see if said exploit can be used on it, to let you TEST it on a cheap item they purposely put on the said vendor for you to test it?

although i have never used any of these exploits , i always use my own or a friends vendors to test them out and make sure it doesnt affect our stuff. i have yet to find anything in sl that would be worth this kind of headache to actually use them for gain. but that is just me.

i am sorry if this post is viewed as an attack on anyone, it wasnt meant to be. it was merely meant to show that their are always ways to test exploits like this without involving a stranger, and inviting situations such as these.

and a parting question. why didnt you just send an im to madamg stating you think the vendors she uses can be exploited and she should check into it asap, then buy the product for the full amount from get go?

Wow Madam, I hate to say it, but with all the trouble you have been having lately I am beginning to wonder "the other side"
Sorry about all the bad luck =/

Wow, being that I am an animator and we have a modeling group, and am a clothing designer I was going to make a photo studio... does this mean I will have to face all this drama if I do?

IS all this drama in the forums lately, one of them? sorry had to ask...

MadamG :reading both sides of the story, I came to a decision that the hack was done with a second alt this leads me to the question Why? Too Hide ! If not, why didnt she use her primary alt? Hacking is wrong period, unless the maker is paying you to find bugs in his program. MadamG you did the right thing by trying not to disclose her name.
I wouldnt give this person a second thought, just keep on doing your thing. I wasnt thinking of buying a photo studio before now, but I believe in put up or shut up. HeeHee. So pls contact me with information on your store location.

I love how al these first time posters have decided to come in with all the wonderful accusations and opinions... hope you all are around when I need back up *winks*

More fiction.

The JEVN expolit had been made known long before your hacking into my vendor and from what I understand had already been patched by the developer of the vendor system. You did not "Find" anything. If that is the case then how was I able to obtain and patch my vendor system so soon after it was hacked?

So you are saying that after you purchased it for L$1 you notified LL and they fixed the discrepancy in the system ASAP, then the developer of JEVN rushed to issue updates all with a matter of hours?

And then you made it public knowledge? How so? Did you post it somewhere? Please share the link with us.

Bologna.


(How do we know you didn't? The only reason we know about this is because you exposed yourself)

Sensual when I buy your product, which I have (nice stuff) it tells me how much to pay, I dont pay one linden for any of your stuff.

An I did start off saying it was "My opinion" and first time posting has nothing to do with it.

Finally, I will support anyone or any org/group trying to do the right thing even in game.

Yes, it is amazing who you see post for the first time no matter who's side they are on. Just for reference:

^ Not Me

I am not chosing sides here cus I am not a physic, but this thread really scares, cus Asri and I were truley debating on making a photo studio, especially since all the new lighting effects SL has =/

I believe this is the thread in question. caused quite a stir on scripting forum a while ago:

/54/1c/102527/1.html#post1005665

Remember, I am not complaining because she made one. I am disgusted at the manner in which she went about doing it. It shows a total disregard for other designers and a complete lack of creativity.

A couple people keep posting as if I am saying it was wrong for her to make one. Please do not put words in my mouth and do not attempt to twist my words around to alter the subject at hand.

With all due respect, I could care less what your plans are.

1) Psychic? Paying one linden for a photo studio with an alt? hummm

2) You should make a photo studio or any thing you want to make. That is called free enterprise! If you buy my wigget and make a better one, bravo!!! That is called research developement !!! We all benefit from that. But if you try to buy my wigget for one linden and I am clearly selling it for 1500Linden....hummm that is called....xxx

According to MadamG, the hack occured on April 23, 2006. The post you mention was on April 26, 2006 which was 3 whole days later. So she knew about it for 3 days and didn't say anything until then. Why? What was she doing in the mean time...hacking more vendors? Makes me wonder.

That thread was started on April 25, 2006 by someone else:
/54/1c/102527/1.html

Not her. Since her character has already been comprimised by using the exploit in the first place to obtain a product - which should be in violation of "something", I wouldn't read too much into the fact that she made one little post. Obviously she did it after she had already hacked X amount of vendors and got what she needed.

3 days later? What a joke.

According to the very post you mention, in the meantime she apparently contacted LL through both email and forum post, as well as maker of affected vendor system (JEVN, later down the thread) ... however the maker was already aware of the bug at this point, and had the update for system already prepared.


Am not reading anything into that particular post. MadamG asked if she posted anything regarding the subject, and this happened to be relevant.

There's quite a bit more in that thread than "one little post" from her, btw. I don't think it's necessary to skew facts like that and then go into slandering hypothesis about who was doing what in the meantime like you did, just because you've already made your mind all up on the issue...

I believe you should be looking at this

/139/49/102466/1.html

If you check your calendar for April you will see the sunday of that week was the 23rd

Sorry to hear bout all the trouble Madam.. but that said, the N30 is an awesome product and I believe will stand up against any rip offs that come along, that combined with the exellent customer support you provide will beat anything so I wouldnt worry to much

This is what I was looking for:


Terms of Service
CONDUCT BY USERS OF SECOND LIFE
4.1 .....(viii) interfere with or disrupt the Service or servers or networks connected to the Service, or disobey any requirements, procedures, policies or regulations of networks connected to the Service; (ix) attempt to gain access to any other user's Account or password; or (x) "stalk", abuse or attempt to abuse, or otherwise harass another user. Any violation by you of the terms of the foregoing sentence may result in immediate and permanent suspension or cancellation of your Account.

Community Standards
Global Attacks
Objects, scripts, or actions which broadly interfere with or disrupt the Second Life community, the Second Life servers or other systems related to Second Life will not be tolerated in any form. We will hold you responsible for any actions you take, or that are taken by objects or scripts that belong to you. Sandboxes are available for testing objects and scripts that have components that may be unmanageable or whose behavior you may not be able to predict. If you chose to use a script that substantially disrupts the operation of Second Life, disciplinary actions will result in a minimum two-week suspension, the possible loss of in-world inventory, and a review of your account for probable expulsion from Second Life.

Alternate Accounts
While Residents may choose to play Second Life with more than one account, specifically or consistently using an alternate account to harass other Residents or violate the Community Standards is not acceptable. Alternate accounts are generally treated as separate from a Resident's principal account, but misuse of alternate accounts can and will result in disciplinary action on the principal account.

Not sure if it would classify as a global attack. But since the "Exploit" effected a large group in SL (thiose who use JEVN) and anyone who knew how it could be used, it might be. And why then would she have "tested" it on MadamG's vendor? Does she not have a JEVN vendor or could she have went to JEVN and tested the exploit there instead? Then she would not have obtained the product she wanted of course for only L$1.

MadamG if I were you, I would be notifying LL about what transpired. If anyone else had done what she had admitted to doing, they have been banned by now.

My understanding is she bought it for $L1 and Imed the creator and explained that, and paid the corrected amount willingly... what am I missing?

The fix if I recall had already been issued at that point. JEVN users had been receiving new deliveries from esmay rand's SL Courier (spelling?) quite frequently during this time for whatever reason. Some were optional updates. Whenever I was logged on and heard the converstations in the JEVN group (which can be pretty persistant at times LOL) someone might ask what the new delivery was for? And people would say it is optional. Since they were optional, and many of the users had complained that after they updated their vendor/server that they did not work right, I though it would be best to leave these updates alone until they were neccessary.

When she used the exploit, I contacted either the group or the developer and was told to use the latest "patch"/"update" to fix it. At that point I had to go change out all my vendors hoping that this would not happen again.

So the exploit had been out and either had a fix or a temporary patch by the time she had hacked mine. This was not the first she had heard of it and being a memebr of the JEVN group she knew about it and the fix/patch (whichever it was).

So no amount of posting to the forums AFTER she had hacked mine and got what she wanted for L$1 excuses that.

That sounds like heresay and cannot be proven unless she sent the chat history to the Lindens in an AR at that point in time (correct me if I am wrong). That would have been cool if she had AR'd herself!!!

So she can say pretty much anything. I see the posts that were made at SLX, and if MadamG has the transaction in her transaction history, then the Lindens will see that as well.

If someone pays L$1 for something it will be in their transaction log. Period.
There's proof in there. The best thing would have been not to do it at all.

So maybe that's what you're missing.

Umm MadamG said it herself that she paid the corrected amount, so I dont think I am missing anything

If you will stop for a minute and check your records you will see the vendor I purchased it from WAS NOT A JEVN - that exploit was never linked to JEVN despite the countless attempts to do so.

Its as provable as the alternative. You're just choosing which you want to believe.