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Texture and Building Piracy in N'burg

Kendra Bancroft
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04-28-2006 11:57
From: vivi Odets
Just because I'm feeling completely obnoxious today and I find these ongoing dramas to be like peanut M&Ms (t) (just one more, please!)...

This style of house
http://www.fachwerk-arge.de/images/willkommen.jpg
has existed in the real world for quite some time... Have any of those real life architects/ designers/builders (or their rightful heirs) given their permission to have their structures mimicked in SL? Have they received any compensation for their hard work and experience and creativity? Or, did you take (or look at) pictures of their work, futz around with the concepts and patterns in Photoshop, and call them your own?



vivi, the designs are in question by Ulrika not merely because they are fachwerk. There are fachwerk all over the city designed by others --me included. Ulrika's stating that these particular fachwek are identical in design to her's and taken from screenshots of her texture work and design.
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Jellin Pico
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04-28-2006 12:17
From: Ulrika Zugzwang
No. It's just the fallout from abusive and exploitative behavior by a selfish and vindictive group of people. I had departed the group several months ago as a result of similar abuse, returning now to reassert ownership over my intellectual property.



So it was all tehir fault you left, them being all selfish and stuff.

mmmm ...

I sort of thought it had soemthing to do with maybe them getting sick of your overbearing righteousness.

But maybe that's only your forum personality and it's different in world.

At any rate I find your 'valient' struggles these last few weeks terrible humerous since when you first started N'burg you were always going on about selflessly giving to the community etc. Yet now that you got tossed out for being you, you're crazy to pick up all your marbles that supposedly you gave away for the good of your society, and tromp off home in a hissy fit of forum rage.

Well, at least you're getting your real wish! Ulrika Ulrika Ulrika .. all the forums ring with the name Ulrika!
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Jellin, you are soooooo FIC! Fabulous, Intelligent and Cute
Kendra Bancroft
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04-28-2006 12:19
In honor of Ulrika, a cute bunny.

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Ulrika Zugzwang
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04-28-2006 12:23
From: Kendra Bancroft
vivi, the designs are in question by Ulrika not merely because they are fachwerk. There are fachwerk all over the city designed by others --me included. Ulrika's stating that these particular fachwek are identical in design to her's and taken from screenshots of her texture work and design.
Thanks for helping to explain how the piracy took place and offering to replace those structures. Your master skills as a builder will be needed shortly, as I've decided to remove the remaining fachwerks that I own from the city. There are indeed beds floating up in the air.

I felt I had no choice, as Gwyneth Llewelyn and other city administrators will not respond to my posts in the forum nor return my emails regarding the piracy. It's yet another complete failure of the government of N'burg on all levels (aside from you). They're like ostriches with their heads in the sand.

~Ulrika~
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Gabe Lippmann
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04-28-2006 12:28
From: Dianne Mechanique
Please just judge for yourself who you think is likely to be spinning things a particular way here.


Everyone spins in their favor, yourself included, whether they realize it or not.

I don't understand, given the falling out with the departed resident, why the folks of N'burg don't divorce themselves entirely from her influence in these things. If, as you say, she is a vindictive sort and this is all over $10 or so, why not remove her work and get someone like Kendra, who has graciously offered, to help create a workable edifice and let this all recede into the dust of history?

You don't seem to dispute that these are UZ designs. Was there no other way to accomplish an N'burg worthy structure than by using the work of someone you don't seem to care for and who you seemed to already think is capable of causing a ruckus?

The city itself has more to lose by this confrontation and the refusal to seek resolution quickly and quietly seems rather stubborn.
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Kendra Bancroft
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04-28-2006 12:29
From: Ulrika Zugzwang
Thanks for helping to explain how the piracy took place and offering to replace those structures. Your master skills as a builder will be needed shortly, as I've decided to remove the remaining fachwerks that I own from the city. There are indeed beds floating up in the air.

I felt I had no choice, as Gwyneth Llewelyn and other city administrators will not respond to my posts in the forum nor return my emails regarding the piracy. It's yet another complete failure of the government of N'burg on all levels (aside from you). They're like ostriches with their heads in the sand.

~Ulrika~



The saddest to me is that this is being all handled so ass backwards. If they had asked you for the usage, and didn't seem to treat you as a pariah at every turn things would most likely be very different.

The Ulrika that I've always had the pleasure of interacting with has never been beyond rational discussion.

Case in point --recently I asked Ulrika if I could use portions of her incredible "Thriller video" in a machinma of my own.

She agreed immediately, said it sounded like fun and only asked for a credit in the movie --which Id have given regardless.
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Picabo Hedges
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04-28-2006 12:57
One wonders, of course, why this thread hs not been closed and multiple posters sanctioned for forum guidelines violations.

Oh. I know. The ResMods aren't doing their jobs.
They enjoy the drahma as much as "the rest of us".
LL frimly believes that one resident is the foremost drahma queen in these forum's history and should be allowed to create any drahma needed to fill out that person's real life day.

I gotta say. My cup runneth over here.

Keep up the drahma - oh wait. I prefer, death to the drahma queen. Much bloodier.
Ulrika Zugzwang
Magnanimous in Victory
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04-28-2006 12:59
From: Picabo Hedges
One wonders, of course, why this thread hs not been closed and multiple posters sanctioned for forum guidelines violations.
There have been no violations of LL rules by anyone on either side. I didn't name names until the guilty party outed themselves, they have admitted to copying the structure, and I have provided proof of the piracy.

~Ulrika~
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Yumi Murakami
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04-28-2006 13:02
Well, I can understand the irritation, but all I can really say is as I'm more a scripter than a builder, this kind of "piracy" is absolutely expected and par for the course in scripts.
Ulrika Zugzwang
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04-28-2006 13:07
From: Kendra Bancroft
Case in point --recently I asked Ulrika if I could use portions of her incredible "Thriller video" in a machinma of my own.

She agreed immediately, said it sounded like fun and only asked for a credit in the movie --which Id have given regardless.
You're absolutely right. In regards to the buildings, they only had to ask. In regards to the website content that was deleted, I simply wanted attribution for my writing. It's as if they don't want to treat me as a human being, asking permission or giving credit. Instead, it seems as if they would rather take, delete, or steal. I just don't get it. :(

~Ulrika~
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Picabo Hedges
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04-28-2006 13:11
From: Ulrika Zugzwang
There have been no violations of LL rules by anyone on either side.
Nice selective reading and interpretation of the forum guidelines/TOS. There are various violations... including bringing personal issues to the forums.
Phedre Aquitaine
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04-28-2006 13:55
You know... no matter how this works out...

I have lost any interest I once had in visiting Neualtenburg, and that's a shame.

However, it might serve as an example to those of us with an interest in user governments on what /not/ to do. I hope no one minds, but I'll be pointing my friend Finn in the direction of these posts, and ask her to come up with something to handle just this sort of contingency.
Ulrika Zugzwang
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04-28-2006 15:56
There has been a lot happening in the threads related to this topic. As a service for those who have interest in protecting IP, I thought I would summarize the information so far in a single post.

Proof of Piracy

The picture below is the original structure. Note how smooth the alpha layer blends on the window curtains and especially the white vertical bar in the center of the window. (Window texture originally provided by Kendra Bancroft.)



This picture below is of the unauthorized reproduction. Note how jagged the curtains are and the lack of transparency on the white vertical bar in the center of the window. This is indicative of the screen-capture method of stealing textures.




Unauthorized Reproductions

Below are images of the unauthorized reproductions on city land taken before their deletion, followed by two pictures of unauthorized reproductions that were distributed to citizens (one full copy, mod, sell). The individual who created the unauthorized reproductions willingly came forward earlier in the thread to discuss the allegations, so no names are being named.






Responses

There has been no official response from the city government to emails or posts, despite providing clear evidence that several officials engaged in and approved the unauthorized reproduction and distribution of my structures. However, several individuals have come forward to discuss and even admit their role.

From: Dianne Mechanique
I won't get into an analysis or description of how the textures were made etc. as that is what the troll in this case is hoping for.
The accused provided no technical explanation of how the unauthorized reproductions were created and instead chose to engage in character assassination to discredit my claims in the SL forum.

An official admitted that she knew that the buildings were unauthorized reproductions, oversaw their placement on city land to increase land-sale revenue, and defended the act of creating and using them.
From: someone
The objects in question were intended as attractive placeholders, pending the sale of the lots, which by special Platz land covenant, require the owner to replace the builds with unique ones of their own.

Since there is raised a possible IP violation by their temporary presence, I have removed the objects.

I stand behind Dianne in her decision to use what she did for the purposes for which they were intended.

Below is a post from a member of the RA that corroborates that the land, on which the unauthorized reproductions were placed, was to be sold:
From: someone
2) The lots around the Platz are to be auctioned to commercial interests as soon as it can be put together.

Resolution

So far, the unaware owners whose homes were shown above, have agreed on their own to remove the unauthorized reproductions. I will provide them with modifiable structures later in the day as thanks for purging the unauthorized reproductions from their inventory. The structures have been removed from city land. I have removed the remaining structures owned by me from the city.


There still has been no official response from the government, who fail to respond to both forum posts and emails. Given that dispute resolution and IP protection is one of the fundamental reasons this government exists, its absence throughout this crisis is evidence in my eyes of this project's complete and total failure to put forward a credible government.

~Ulrika~
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04-28-2006 16:14
Ulrika, given the sheer volume of issues that you've been bringing before N'burg of late, given how much time the members spent on the last case involving you, and given that all of the N'burg participants also have real lives, jobs, and families with temporal, economic and emotional thresholds of their own,

And given that it's FRIDAY,

Maybe they're not so much ignoring you so much as catching up with other concerns at the moment.

Your complaints have already met with some success. I predict that your complaints will be dealt with, if not by the end of the business day.

I do suspect that this will all result in a campaign to erase you from Neualtenburg, if not out of spite than because it's probably easier than having to worry about continual future IP complaints from you.

If you walked outside today and found that I'd backed my car into your Ford Expedition and scratched it up, you'd probably have a hard time getting an insurance settlement out of my company within the week, despite the fact that the employees at the insurance company do that work as a full-time endeavor. N'burgers do their experigov project in their spare time.
Kendra Bancroft
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04-28-2006 16:21
From: Unhygienix Gullwing
Ulrika, given the sheer volume of issues that you've been bringing before N'burg of late, If you walked outside today and found that I'd backed my car into your Ford Expedition and scratched it up, you'd probably have a hard time getting an insurance settlement out of my company within the week, despite the fact that the employees at the insurance company do that work as a full-time endeavor. N'burgers do their experigov project in their spare time.



valid point to be sure. It's my hope that I've come up with a solution everyone can dance around.

/103/d5/103037/2.html
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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04-28-2006 17:57
From: Unhygienix Gullwing
Ulrika, given the sheer volume of issues that you've been bringing before N'burg of late, given how much time the members spent on the last case involving you, and given that all of the N'burg participants also have real lives, jobs, and families with temporal, economic and emotional thresholds of their own,
You are absolutely right. I took my giggly baby to the park and I feel much better now. I'll exercise some patience instead of my typing fingers for a couple of days to let folks catch up. ;)

~Ulrika~
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Unhygienix Gullwing
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04-29-2006 07:36
What, no comments about the idea of you driving a Ford Explorer? I thought I knew just how to needle you, too.
Ulrika Zugzwang
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04-29-2006 10:03
From: Unhygienix Gullwing
What, no comments about the idea of you driving a Ford Explorer? I thought I knew just how to needle you, too.
I missed that completely. It is quite funny. :D

~Ulrika~
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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04-29-2006 13:40
As an addendum to this thread, in retribution to the piracy charges, those responsible were busy last night purging the city of all objects owned by me, without permission from the city government. They have even sadly removed structures and textures created by other artisans over which I have no claim.

What's disturbing is that all of this is illegal. According to this law, radical changes such as this are not permitted without government approval. While it's not surprising that those who engage in piracy would also break other laws, the real surprise is that it appears that the city government has truly disintegrated. All the power now rests in the sim owner and her two friends.

~Ulrika~
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Martin Magpie
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04-29-2006 15:24
From: Newfie Pendragon
Perhaps I am missing something here....

One of the main ideas of N'burg was to form a socialist government, where the government would have a role to act in interest/protect of 'the common good'.

Now there's a dispute about a (former) citizen (founder) of N'Burg, whose architectural designs were not only commen in N'Burg, but one could say practically core to the central growth and theme of the community. And here she is, kicking up a stink because her rights to her own creations are being infringed on by the government of N'Burg?

What happened to that socialist spirit, that selfless thought of one's fellow man, to prove that by coming together for the common good, one could aspire higher than alone? To show that lofty thoughts and high goals could bring about a new utopia today?


Ohhh wait. It got affected by individuals who got greedy. Those who wanted something for nothing, and those who wanted to be rewarded for their hard work.

How *dare* they fall to the whims of human nature!


Welcome to *real* socialism in action, Ulrika. Drop by sometime, we'll show you how us capitalist dogs operate.

Btw I hope you win your fight for your texture rights. You really should benefit from your own work. Screw the common good!


- Newfie


LOL love it!
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Martin Magpie
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04-29-2006 15:26
From: Ulrika Zugzwang
As an addendum to this thread, in retribution to the piracy charges, those responsible were busy last night purging the city of all objects owned by me, without permission from the city government. They have even sadly removed structures and textures created by other artisans over which I have no claim.

What's disturbing is that all of this is illegal. According to this law, radical changes such as this are not permitted without government approval. While it's not surprising that those who engage in piracy would also break other laws, the real surprise is that it appears that the city government has truly disintegrated. All the power now rests in the sim owner and her two friends.

~Ulrika~


And that is how rl works too. Welcome to your new SL. :cool:
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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04-29-2006 15:49
From: Martin Magpie
And that is how rl works too. Welcome to your new SL. :cool:
You are so right.

When I confronted the responsible individuals in the city about the unapproved modifications, they stated that they only recognized the sim-owner's authority and deleted a stretch of a street before logging off to drive home their point. Thus, it seems that the sim owner along with two cronies (one who has pirated structures and another who denies the power of the government) are acting as a team outside of the N'burg government.

It just keeps getting worse.

~Ulrika~
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Reitsuki Kojima
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04-29-2006 18:13
From: Ulrika Zugzwang
It just keeps getting worse.


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Karsten Rutledge
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04-29-2006 20:26
From: Ulrika Zugzwang
As an addendum to this thread, in retribution to the piracy charges, those responsible were busy last night purging the city of all objects owned by me, without permission from the city government. They have even sadly removed structures and textures created by other artisans over which I have no claim.

What's disturbing is that all of this is illegal. According to this law, radical changes such as this are not permitted without government approval. While it's not surprising that those who engage in piracy would also break other laws, the real surprise is that it appears that the city government has truly disintegrated. All the power now rests in the sim owner and her two friends.

~Ulrika~


Wow, that's like, exactly what I tried to explain in the last N'burg thread and everyone was like 'oh no karsten this guvment werks :)'
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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04-29-2006 22:43
From: Karsten Rutledge
Wow, that's like, exactly what I tried to explain in the last N'burg thread and everyone was like 'oh no karsten this guvment werks :)'
Theoretically, it should work. It's just that you're screwed if the sim owner grants sim manager rights to her cronies, who start pirating and deleting city structures willy nilly, combined with a complicit legislative branch and an out-for-lunch judicial branch. It's a perfect storm of malice, complicity, and apathy. The only one left in the city with any credibility is Kendra Bancroft, although I keep hoping like the naive fool I am that the others will come around.

~Ulrika~
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