End L$ Farming

Grumble (and LaserFur) have a good system in the works: If they/we can figure out how to pay the performers in such a fassion that it's fair, balanced, and others can't say, "oh! they are doing well, lets get in on it."

I've crunched some calculations for LaserFur and it's quite trickey getting everything accounted for and still with a large audience not be paying the performers out your nose.

And yes, don't look up their place if you aren't open minded or easily disturbed (that whole "furry" thing).

You know, I can only speak for myself on this issue, but I go to camping chairs for different occasions than I go to other places. Camping chairs I stick to when I feel like idling. I don't have time to make much stuff lately, so I'll half-idle and chat if anybody's there to talk to while I do homework. But I don't like to be places where I am tempted to walk around when I have other stuff I have to do.

Other things I really like, though, are shops. If you have a lot of good shops, I am going to hang around for a while.

Sometimes I explore, when I don't have anything RL that needs my attention, so I do wander to different places.

I go to events - especially if there are contests.

Just because people camp doesn't mean they're always doing it. There are a limited number of chairs at any given space. When the chairs run out at the one casino I frequent, I tend to poof off to go look for something else to do (though one of those things I really need to bust my butt and do is finish the avatars I've started... lost my creative streak.... anyhoo, tangent...).

One of the things I look for and don't find nearly enough of: non-Gorean RP. I looked up roleplay in find once... and it was all this Gorean stuff that is apparently based on a book I have never heard of. While socializing is fun, get a neat RP environment and you might attract a different crowd.

But I rather like the camp chairs. I mean, if somebody really wants to give away their money like that, I don't see much issue. *shrugs* But I generally put the money back into the most interesting places I find. It's not like camping is all I do. Granted I will admit there are some people who do seem to camp all the time, and it makes me wonder why they bother unless they're turning it into US dollars (I only use my lindens in game - I'm an avatar addict and I love to buy up neat stuff).

But if you're going to be upset about camp chairs, why not also mention random money balls, free slots, and many other things that attract people in large numbers?

That's not my point though. My main thing is, if people are going to be the type to camp all day and do *nothing else*, wouldn't they just detract from your landscape anyway? A bunch of idlers in a pretty location can be rather frustrating when you're looking for something a bit more social. There's way more than camping that can attract extra people to your land. Find what works for you, and maybe you'll steal away some of the traffic from the camping chairs. The things I often leave for are "best avatar" contests and similar things like that. And anything my friends are hosting and insist I must come see. hehe

But again, I can only really speak for myself (and maybe a little for the friends I've made here) when I say camping isn't the only thing I go for on here. It's just a place to hang about when I have to do homework while I feel like being someplace where maybe somebody might actually be social as well.

I think I know where you're talking about. Hehe and yes, it is a rather interesting system they've got. Certainly not for the shy though.

What you mean to say is your mad that peope are just sitting in your camping chairs while not playing your casino games. Since a lot of the camping chairs/casino combos increase the pay of the camping chairs on how much you play. But you end up loosing more then your making. And yes, some people make some, but the odds are in favor of the casino and not the player.

here is how its gonna be if camping chairs really mess everything up

ratio to linden to the dollar is gonna rise,

the creative entreprenuers are going to charge more for their services.

the amount of linden to the dollar is gonna rise even more

as this supposedly endless cycle continues people exclusivly interested in selling linden on
Lindex are going to find that it is no longer worth it

chair campers will leave gradually over time

the linden dollar will regain its "strength"

gradually the campers will return


I wouldn't worry though if you have a legitamate job pay will increase with the amount of L$ to the dollar since people who do camp don't really want to work, and those who fund them probably will not invest any linden then they are now, only few if any will compensate the expense of there increased profit margin

if anything really bad did happen like the camping chairs getting out of control the lindens would get involved

what everybody has to remeber is that SL may be modeled off an economy but it isn't even close to being realistic one...yet

Hehe. Indeed. And quite frankly I am glad it isn't realistic, as in my area at least the real economy ain't that great.

Gattza gives a good point too - if people are worried maybe if they would replace their camp chairs with the type that you have to win modifiers to get more than a really low base amount, that would work. That way everybody's happy. Those of us who just camp when there's nothing better to do can still do so, and those who want to try for big money can do so, and the casino games are still getting paid into. I know a friend who's dropped a TON of money to get modifiers for his chair.

When I feel like idling I just go somewhere there's nobody around. After a while I get timed out and logged off. That's fine. That's how it's supposed to work. If you just want to wait for someone to turn up, use the "Friends Online" page.
They used to be stealing money from people who were really making interesting places. Now they're stealing popularity ratings from people who are really making interesting places, and interesting places have lost a lot of their income as a result.

Sitting on camping chairs is like buying things from spammers. Even if you win, you're winning by helping people who are tearing down the system you're using.
Most of them wouldn't even be logged on.

I apreciate your concern for my very small casino. But I am not talking about my camping chairs. I set them for people who are like you and me. Who are making that money for themselves not for some greedy business owner who has multiple computers just for camping. Get my drift? I can care less if you use my slot machine or not.

In My castle in Plano I have the chairs set to 6l$/10 minutes and There is no slots and no casino. Only stores owned by other people who rent these stores out. Its a small village and I want people who will come see. When you go to a mall go to your food court you see a guy handing out teriaki chicken. You take one piece and if you like you buy a dinner. You are not expected to eat the whole plate for free or take it "HOME" for other people to eat. Do you? lol if you do.

Anyone worth their smarts know about house edge. Hence why many VGI-Campers (by VGI I mean any chair that has a variable rate similar to VGI's chairs) don't play the slots.
Now, first SL needs some kind of regulation that dictates the amount of money that comes out of the machine (not including paychair increases) as a percentage of the money put into the machine.
From my experience the current percentage varies widely, but may slots are about 10% (if you see a machine that can have the reels stop between two symbols DO NOT PLAY IT, it's so heavy with house edge it isn't worth even dropping L$1 into. These kinds of machines would be ok as free slots though, however I think that a normal machine with a lower time/numebr of uses for free would be better). In the real word (Vegas, etc.) there is a regulation that says that a slot machine must pay out 89% of the money put into it (I just googled for official statistics and it looks like I'm off slightly: 87% or higher).

On paper I've worked out that if a slot has a 1/4 chance of giving a pay chair increase with a bet of L$10, then it takes 8 such increases to make back your money if the increase nets you L$7 (meaning after 70 minutes (on a x/10 chair) the rate drops by 1). This is also assuming all your bet money is lost (which in current machines, that's most likey the case).
At first glance it looks fair (25% at L$10 for an increase) if not overly in favor of the player, but after looking at the numbers (needs 8 increases before counting drops), I'm inclinded to agree otherwise. I am in the process of making a "more fair" system (I've already got a slot machine with a theoretical payout of 91%, not counting the jackpot my tester had me add to it (the high prize when from L$200 * bet to a jackpot of L$7500 + L$1 per ever L$30 bet placed)).

Once statistical data has been gathered, I will work on finding an optimum % of paychair increases. Obviously there will still be house edge depending on the chair settings, but my tester does like to give away money to new players (and anyone else who needs it), so I think his set up will actually be very closet to dead even when played properly.

You are kidding right?

If you have camping chairs, or you use camping chairs, how are you any different from said "greedy business owner"?

Ok. I changed my mind about saying what I said. It was too mean and biased. So lemme dumb this up for you. I am giving money away to people like noobs or people who dont have multiple accounts that make sl just for camping. Some scripters actually sit on camping chairs while they script. Some while they build. Or some while they push one out. Sooo...If you need me to dumb this up some more please bring your own dictionary next time.

*chuckles* Thank you for phrasing it that way, gave me a great chuckle. I agree completely.

I'm sorry, I have absolutely no idea why the motives of the people who are camping have anything to do with the fact that camping chairs themselves are a vile inexcusable evil that has already done irreparable damage to the community that is Second Life.

Its my $35.50 a day that I am paying people to sit in Castlevania. or in my castle in Plano. What does this matter to you? Lemme guess? Where are you from?

It doesn't matter whose $35.50 a day it is, or where they're sitting. Gaming the system with camping chairs has screwed up sims, killed the DI, helped kill dwell payments, done irreparable violence to the fabric of Second Life.

You might as well confide that you own lampshades made from human skin.

Hehe. You didnt answer my question. and secondly. Do you have a texture for human skin? That would look cool on lampshades.

Sure I did. You just don't like the answer.

You can get a human skin texture from Textures Unlimited, but I think you're missing the point.

Quite apart from the things Argent has mentioned, you think it's okay to lag up a sim and perhaps even prevent residents there from entering just to raise your Find?

I dont think L$ farming is right but who do people even do it, to be honest its not worth it.

Ok my two camping chairs are not going to come close to laggin my 65k Sq/m Sim. And secondly. Youre all missing the point. Sweatshop countries need to have a seaprate server so that L$ stays in where it needs to be. Dont allow these people to runi the Linden economy as they have in Final Fantasy or WOW. Come one people. You know what I am talking about and those of you who dont agree. I can assure you that your country server will be populated with gamers who play not just sit on camping chairs....Right? Is that what youre mad about>?

...pardon?

Jeez...Camping chairs suck, they are stupid...and in time...when dwell doesn't matter anymore..hopefully they will disappear...if not, they should be BURNED IN A FEIRY CELEBRATION in front of Gov. Linden's Mansion!

FREEDOM!!!!

I think Poodle Noodle is saying that because his two camping chairs are somehow an exception to the general run of the mill camping scams, he should be given special treatment to prevent a class of secondary scammers who normally leech off the primary scammers from hurting him. And he thinks it's important enough to completely restructure the way SL works, fracture it into multiple national SL domains with nothing shared between them, all of which is clearly expensive and unreasonable to expect SL to pay for when they're not even profitable yet.

And he doesn't seem to understand that camping chairs, as a class of objects, are not valuable to SL or to Linden Labs... and that it's not in LL's interest to make them more profitable. Quite the opposite, in fact.

Thank you for understanding Argent. Sweatshop countries should be given a server of their own. Atleast you understand.