sl-escorts.com

Ok for starters here i dont find it wrong that he is doing it i find it wrong to publish it without any express permission from the girls. He does have no respect for privacy to compare it to resturaunt/clubs/real life stuff in general is a bit out there. The fact remains he has no right to do this without permission from the party he is writing about in fact in real life one would actually sign something on signup of a strip club or something if the club did that a waver if you will.

I agree with looli that the stuff was held behind closed doors and should be left there. It's like running out in the middle of the street in real life and going this girl is an escort and i think blah blah blah about them. Its not something you actually do. The fact remains this guy is a twit and its one guy who probably isnt that good at cyber sex to begin with. Lemme put it this way for people Cyber Sex or Real Life sex it takes 2 people to make it good or bad!! Basically his posts about girls being bad means he most likely did a bad job pleasing said girl in chat. Looli has been running a escort service now for about a year or more and frankly im sure she doesnt want people rating her girls without permission even though some of them have been rated in such a manner.

Fact remains this guy makes alts to deliberately do this as he is banned at alot of places for rating people. Alot of people dont want it out openly that they escort and how they are as an escort it only ends up hurting them and at places trying to form comradery between girls working there it makes it a big problem. If he asked for permission from the girl to do so i wouldnt have a problem. In real life if this was written without express permission or without a waver signed he would actually be in a bit of legal problems with the place of business he tried it at.

Frankly if i find a girl working for me and some pics up in this guys site i'll ask who he was and ban him from use of the rooms with a security system ultimately making sure he doesnt come back unless he consistantly makes alts! But again if people meet this guy ban him he has no right to be doing this

fact that this isnt real life Jonas Plain and simple fact is most resturaunts are public they arnt judging a person directly it s a different matter when it comes down to a single person vs a company or a business !

Kirk we are still talking about a Game, with Residents in it that try to live together and not doing Harm to each other, if you spend much money in that Game its your own right.

But it isnt right that Jeroen use the Site to judge how someone have to play Second Life... and if they do not that he forces them to quit what they like, or what would be more harmful to Linden, that they quit thier account cause thier ingame rights arent protected..

I will weigh in here..as I find this site deplorable and a vain attempt at marketing, at the expense of anothers freedom of expression, private roleplay and security. Its a way to make a fast buck PERIOD. There is NO professionalism to be found there otherwise they wouldnt hide behind alts to dredge their wares.

Truth be told, most Escorts encourage constructive criticism. And I CAN speak from experience being one of the first to develop escorting services as a business in SL. (Magenta, Eros, Putains, 2003). I will continue to be a stalwart proponent of eroticism in SL. I dont take a cut from Escorts, although many offer it to me willingly. Most Escorts are more than happy to pay a house percentage to have a venue other than their homes to roleplay. I provide a sensual atmosphere where roleplayers can feel safe to explore their own sexuality, persona and fantasies. I could care less who's genitals they are wearing or who's anims they use. Those that know me can attest to that.

It is apparent to anyone with any intelligence that the sites sole purpose is to make money. "Public Service" my ass! If you would like a copy of the motivation behind the owner of the site, in his own words, I will be happy to have it posted on a THIRD PARTY SITE, since that seems to be the skirt these juveniles love to hide behind (Coincidentally, the forums were removed from their site for posting that specific topic) Now all 12 members can't voice their honest opinions of their reviews and tactics.

That being said, I dont begrudge anyone pusuing a business of virtual cybersex. I encourage and support many players enterprises besides my own. But when you do it under the guise of "Public Service", regardless of whom you hurt, embarass and criticise...then you will have to bear the burden of your actions. Jereon and his so-called "reviewers" have been banned from all of my sims and the vast majority of popular Escort spots in SL, yet they cant seem to get it. They continue rants in the forums that are intended to gain public support (and $$) for their lack of taste and consideration of others.

"Go to bed with dogs, and you will wake up with fleas" My grandmother used to say. I urge all advertisers to consider the reputation of the medium you are involved with. It speaks volumes about your business.

Additionally, while it may not be a violation of TOS specifically, or as enforced, it is MOST CERTAINLY a violation of Community Standards, not to mention common courtesy and respect. I encourage all to read Article 4. If you dont think that it applies outside of Second Life, ask Jereon why he was temp-banned. Abuse is Abuse..a Violation of Privacy is a Violation of Privacy, whether it is within SL or on a third party site. Linden Labs does respect the privacy of Secondlife members, and they are free to take any action they choose when it comes to accounts. Read the TOS, its all there.

I would like to address the Escorts that have been posted/reviewed/defamed on this site.
Abuse Reports work. While they may be slow, and given the recent grid attacks, not a primary concern, they DO WORK. If you feel that your privacy has been violated, or you have asked to be removed from sl-escorts.com and they fail to do so, Abuse Report the reviewer and the site administrator. This is not a freedom of speech issue..its a "freedom of doing whatever I want to sell ad space" issue.

Feel free to disect this post and make all the personal attacks you like. I could care less, but what I DO CARE about is inherent freedom that SL offers without having it posted all over the World Wide Web for any 12 year old to read. Obviously not a concern of the people associated with sl-escorts.com. Great marketing concept guys. NOT!

Pardon me while I laugh myself sick over your indignation

Natasia, once again I would like to point out your information is false about my involvement. I do not use the site to "judge how some one play's Second Life" and if you look closer I havent posted a single review on the site.

If you recall our previous conversations inworld (not ingame since its classified as a platform ) I had told you that I had attempted to have the profiles removed as well, however since I have no control over site content or any more power then any other SL resident, the request was denied. Just because I defend *some* aspects of the site, does not mean I agree with all of it, nor does it mean I *use* the site any more then anyone else with a legitimate profile on there.

On a final note, it isnt about judging the person behind the AVI, it's about judging their cybering abilities since the charge money for it. My only concerns with this whole thing is the current rating and review system needs to be revised, and I really feel a panel of 3 or 4 people from various backgrounds and likes, rating on a set list of criteria the same for everyone, would proivde the most accurate and unbiased results.

Despite my belief that when I get a client, I am selling them the rights to my text and allowing them to do what they want with it, I think the reviews can be just as effective with out direct quotes. A review that effectively describes an escorts abilities to cyber, will not need to have quotes to back it up, so long as the reviews are consistant with a set criteria and from a reliable and legitimate source.

If you were buying a new car would you look up user reviews to help make your choice?

I imagine the prople who would use the service provided would care a great deal. I mean, it's not like there's anything wrong with guys being hot-to-trot about virtual sex .... is there?

How is being reviewed for services paid and provided griefing? I imagine it would be wrong if all the guys posted lied and gave every girl bad reviews just for the hell of it. I don't think that's going on though.

If there are escorts who don't want to be reviewed, then I'd suggest not being escorts. If it's just bad reviews they're worried about, then they should do better if they're taking peoples money.

They take PAY for services provided. This removes a certain amount of personal privacy. The client has the right to tell otehr people whether or not they felt they got their moneys' worth.

ok jellin look at you comment a bit more they paid for something that is done behind closed doors. a certain amount of privacy is insillted among escorting.... as an escort doesnt go out an blab about who their clients are etc. It goes both ways if they want things to be kept private on their end they should uphold some amount of privacy. You dont go out and say someone is personally such and such. It's diff to say you got your money's worth at a certain place but not from an individual!

This guy just seems to be crappy at cyber sex to judge how other people perform as i noted b4 i takes 2 for any type of interaction like sex

I would personally AR stoker if I was Joreon on the grounds of defamation and libel/slander. Abuse reports work.

/me wonders if this site complies with 18 USC 2252 *g*

Just casually reading this thread leaves me with one very obvious way this site could be used for griefing. Suppose someone were to list a random woman on SL who is NOT a prostitute on that site of yours, how could she get her name cleared? It seems like a ridiculously easy way to defame someone.

2,515 views up to now 1st o May - tells a lot about this - there are few names/headlines that get as many views..

Prob this thread gives a lot of hits at that home page to... and make the owner of it happy... ))


Have a great 1st of May - Sun shines - a bit windy but AL OK!

/Tina

IP Rights


Linden Lab’s Terms of Service agreement recognizes Residents’ right to retain full intellectual property protection for the digital content they create in Second Life, including avatar characters, clothing, scripts, textures, objects and designs. This right is enforceable and applicable both in-world and offline, both for non-profit and commercial ventures. You create it, you own it—and it’s yours to do with as you please.

in other words: Jereon is ignoring this Rules

Its my Avatar.. my Second life.. and my text

I already send out an Abuse Report and much more Girls will do also that dont want to get exposed on that site.

Jeroen already said to me that he will review me with an ALT so iam not on this site now,but i want to be prtected to get there, no matter how many of his redicilus stars i would get..

Joreon isn't ignoring that right. Hes excersising his part of those rights as a participant in their creation.

Im abuse reporting you for trying to strip his IP rights. I suggest to him he does it to everyone who does what you did.

Well here's my piece...

All chat with me is to be used SOLEY for personal and private use. Any reposting, in whole or part, without my express written consent is violation of this and will be filed as an abuse.

All images, photographs, snapshots, or other graphical representations of my avatar are for personal and private use. No duplication or publication rights are given without express written consent.

Any services provided are also for personal and private use. No other rights are implied without written, specific consent.

Basically, I offer a private service. It stays private. Any other use of me, in any form, is violation of these terms. You saw them here first...

Don't like it, don't hire me...but if I find myself on a website like sl-escorts, an abuse report will be filed with this post as a reference. At the time of this posting, there is no profile for me there. Your opinion on this matter is now void, as my terms have been made clear.

AR me too "Jonas". Jeroen without permission recounts and reposts conversations without permission of the escorts he reviews. That's striker 1. Same thing as an illegal wiretap IRL. It's a violation of the SL TOS.

Strike 2: The site is open to anyone with a keyboard to write any viscious lie about any escort they don';t like. It's not subjective and therefore worthless as any sort of real review. I have around 5 reviews on there concerning myself, and two of those reviews are fiction. The dates never even happened. That sort of malicious SLANDER towards me is exactly what makes SL-ESCORTS.COM a worthless website and a weapon against the escorts of SL. And the very reason we AR Jeroen regularly.

Have a nice day.

As you request. I will AR anyone who denies him his rights of the IP as cocreator..

edit: sounds like someone sucks and hates the truth

Warda,

It is my understanding that the site is carefully monitored to ensure that all profiles are escorts. The only one who can ad a profile is the owner of the site.

Can you PLEASE explain how I am ignoring this, when I have no control over the site and have posted nothing on the site? You continue to lie and I've had enough of this slanderous harrassment, and will be filing an abuse report on the advice of a Linden.