sl-escorts.com

I don't see the point of your repeated polls about this sleazy biz. Who care, apart from the guys who are all hot-to-trot about virtual sex?

I'm slightly confused... first of all this is the first poll about "this sleazy biz" that I've ever posted. Second of all, majority of SL escorts are female... Perhaps do some research into the subject before making comments.

The site is a perfect example how someone can grief to other Second Life Residents without getting any Problems for it.

Girls cant join the Side by themselfes, anyone can put up an review and the Girl cant do anything against it. ( 15 out of the 54 Girls on the site dont want to be on it almost 30%)

If there are Escorts out there that want to make a RL living through thier Job in Second Life its okay for me.
But it isnt okay for me that Girls that only do this Job INGAME and dont want to be associated with the Site cant do anything to be on it.

Its Griefplay.. nothing more

That's an interesting view. I guess that means that movie review sites, club review sites, restaurant review sites and all the rest are "Greifplay" because they don't have the explicite consent of the service provider... NOT.

Oh and according to Linden Labs, this isnt a game, but a platform... so perhaps you meant the girls provide this service in world, not in game. If the girl wants to take her escorting position as a game she should role play the entire payment procedure and accept non-existant money or better yet, do it for free. This means that 1) she really would be doing her job "just for fun" and 2) there would be no need to review or rate her, since there would be zero financial risk involved with the client using her services.

Unfortunately, since the clients paid for access to the text cyber used in the transaction, they have ownership rights to it and can post it freely in a review if they like.

You don't want to be reviewed asn an escort/hooker...

DONT BE ONE

jesus, how hard is that to understand?

It's a shame that there aren't more smart people like Jonas on SL...

I believe what the client actually paid for is an instance of _service_ of, to put it blunt, getting them off. Not publish rights to someone else's work.

Just because i buy a copy of book in the store doesn't mean i purchase right to then quote verbatim in my review entire passages of this book, or even the full copy of it...

Oh, and as far as the site in question goes... i found link to original incarnation of it in Kotaku, and it was an interesting read back then. The reviews had personal bias, but as long as the writer made it fairly obvious what they like and don't like, it wasn't an issue -- one could either agree with him, or not. As it is now though, it looks like the recent reviews are nothing but adverts (5 stars out of 5 is the norm, 4 stars is rare, less than that unheard of) ... and there's only that many "so and so is awesome, perfect and best in the world" reviews that one can read before they start asking themselves how much of it is just arrangement between girls and their clients, along lines of "you'll write me a great review and i'll charge you less"

Not saying that it's for sure the case, but it's simply what all these gushing reviews make it look like. In the end making disservice both the page, and the girls themselves.

I truley tried to avoid having to answer this whole Thread for the past few weeks, but since SL is down i had some free time to look at the forums and let me tell you Kirk YOU ARE SOOO FULL OF BS!!
Like it or not, THIS IS a game, these women are NOT Escorts IRL and you may be surprised to learn some of them are even very shy and live a very different lives than they do in game.
Being an Escort has to be a part of wanting to explore your own sexuality without the limits and judgment os society, Which is what SL is all about!
The money part is a way to make a living in SL as well as sort of living the fantasy fully!
That however DOES NOT give anyone the right to copy a private, confidential chat to a public website without that person's knowladge, and refusing to take it off when she specificaly asks you to!
Don't pretend SL-Escorts is about helping the patrons of clubs it is a buisness, in which you and Jeroen (in his own words btw)are trying to take over and "RULE" SL adult industrey by terrorising abusing and threatning everyone in the industry!!!!
NOTHING and i do mean NOTHING gives you, Jeroen or anyone else the right to abuse these girls, If there are escorts who wish to apear on your rating website go ahead and rate them, but you have no right to force it on those who doesnt agree to it, offend them and have 0 respect for their privacy!
If an Escorts sessions were not ment to be descret i would imagine they wouldn't be behind closed doors or in sky boxes or anywhere else which is PRIVATE!!
The worse thing is that Jeroen would stop at NOTHING, he will walk over every woman in SL to make himself "the richest man that has ever walked the face of SL"again in his words), after violating their privacy with copying chat hs next step was STEALING their Key ID and making online staus of them linked to his website, which Lindens forced him to remove once the girls found out about that, and i imagine it won't stop there...
Not to mention the fact that the guy who started all this needs a "few" lessons in cybering, You even admited to that yourself after getting a review on him from a freind of yours who had the "pleasure" of cybering him, so who died and made him Hugh Haffner???
i have been in the Adult entertainment buisness for a year and NEVER saw a need to violate ppl's privacy abuse them and walk all over them just to earn a few more L!
You both really need some lessons in humanity!!!

The clients paid for that chat. The hooker accepted Lindens for that chat.

The hooker has no say anymore.

Hmmm, where do I start with you on this one. It might be sad, but I rather enjoy making people look silly when they post things that they have no real knowledge of.



What, a coincidence - I am not an Escort IRL and not only am I some what shy IRL, I am majoring in Health Physics and Radiation Science... which it's not hard to see, I lead a very different life from that which I do in SL.



My bad, I didn't realize I became an Escort because I really had some secret fantasy to be a whore... Thank you though, for clarifying with your generalized statement of why I chose to be an escort. Perhaps next time, try clarifying that you were posting an opinion, not facts.



Yes - the money part *is* a way to making a living in SL and is the sole reason I got into the profession, so that I could build enough income to start the business *I* wanted to. Once again this is simply a personal belief but when *I* am hired for a job, I consider *MY* text to be property of the person who hired me. It makes no difference to me if they want me to type it to a full room or just one on one... after all if it *is* just a game, as you say it is... then all I am doing is story telling, no?



Once again, I love when people post blatantly false information. I am not pretending anything... I believe this site will help clients, and escorts that are skilled in what they do (I believe myself to be one of them). I am extremely confused that you accuse me of abusing girls or seemingly accusing me of running the site. I was hired by the owner to facilitate advertisement deals between business' and the site... nothing more. Weeks prior I had requested my profile to be posted. *I do not run SL-escorts.com, nor do I have the access or ability to post, remove, delete or edit anything on the site, any more so then any other member of SL* I am no different from the other 40 Escorts who willingly submitted profiles for review.



Hmmm from what I hear from a number of past employee's this is not the case. Can you explain to me how taking 20% of some ones profit's from an escort job, isnt abusing them or walking all over them for a few more L$? I think the truth is, as the owner of a club dependent on the income you receive from your escorts work, you're simply afraid that this site will allow escorts to make money with out having to give you a cut. I am disgusted that you hide your true concerns behind a facade of "caring". If you care so much, let your escorts work under you for free... You're worried that when escorts finally realize they don’t *need* to pay you 20% to remain an escort, you'll lose major profit.

With that being said, it seems most club owners don’t realize that as long as their employees are happy, they will continue to support the club the belong to financially. So long as I am in SL, I will continue to help the club that originally showed me support when I was new. As for those of you who make L$20,000+ off your escorts hard work... shame on you.

On a final note, I have heard rumblings of girls who want to join the sl-escorts.com site but have been told they will be fired if they do so. I know of at least 2 clubs who I have spoken to and are willing to hire any of these girls on who are fired because of this. The cut taken by the club will either remain the same, or in many cases, be less... Don't let your employer control your SL life and income... thank god I work for an amazing woman who truly understands the concept of a relaxed work environment.

I truly encourage everyone to do their research before posting, so as to avoid hurting your credibility (and given the post being replied to... I'd suggest spell check as well, since a hard read is never a fun read.)

Cheers,

Kirk

I agree, if various pimps and nightclubs couldn't pick up random girls from the Welcome Center and expect to put them out making money from unsuspecting Johns who get little more than an 'ahh ooh' for their 1,000 L$ an hour, then SL would be a better place to live.

All the bad escorts are making the business harder for the ones who know what the HELL they're doing.. newsflash, if we wanted to click on X-cite bits we could just buy them from a store instead of renting.

[edit:] Most of the reviews I heard from that place were rather gushing though, I agree with prior posters on that.. There just plain needs to be more reviewing bodies, separate ones, before we can begin to get a good idea of who's good and who isn't. Like a GameRankings but more cybersex. It's a bit like expecting people to give a game an honest review when they personally know the developers, they need the journalistic integrity and intestinal fortitude to be able to be honest even if that hurts someone they don't want to hurt.

I think any idiot who pays to masturbate to an avatar really has issues. If you can't get laid on SL anytime 24/7 and have to resort to paying someone to copy and paste sexually provocative text, you had better turn that computer off NOW!

The client paid for single instance of being allowed to see the chat. Not for unlimited right to spread copies of it around.

Go to cinema, buy a ticket, record the movie while you watch it then start distributing the copies. See how far the "i paid for ticket, you have no say what i do with what i saw" argument gets you.

I like the idea, my gf at the time (Adreana) did not. Shes an escort who controls other escorts and was boycoting Jonas. I decided to talk to him, offering ideas and such to improve his site, and ensure that hapeless ratings did not ruin escorts business. Instead she dumped me and banned me from her land. Some close minded escorts just dont want to admit someone might be better than them and take their business away.

Perhaps your statement would hold if the people were talking over the phone and they were being recorded. The problem here-in lies within the SL software itself. It records everything automatically to a clients computer, and if an escort does not realize this, then it is their own mistake.

This can't even be equated to copyright laws... *maybe* plagerism, however the original content provider is cited in the review itself so even this doesnt hold.

Heir, please contact me to discuss some of these ideas with me. Anything that improves the rating system of the site, helps the escorts out as well.

The act of recording, automatic or not, does not automagically grant one the right of "reproduction, republishing, posting, or duplicating" these recordings. Any such action would be unauthorized and as such, breaking the copyrights.

If the client makes clear arrangement and receive actual authorization, then it's a fair game. Otherwise they're in the wrong.

edit: You can think of your web browser or media viewer here as example. Just the fact they tend to make local copy of someone else's website and/or artwork on your disk while you watch it, doesn't entitle you to spreading these works you watch around freely. Neither does you making such copy manually. That's because recording and reproduction are two completely separate things.

Its on their computer. From their linden transaction fee. They don't need to get permissions to display on a third party site. Courts have upheld chat logs (thats what these are) are NOT subject to copyright. Copyright laws have NO jurisdiction.

Just a small remark about the chat.

There are no chat-logs on the website. There are some lines of cybertext on it. They are there to give an indication of the way the escort writes.

Same as there are fragments of books in book reviews. Showing the style of the author to potential buyers.

And that's the first and last place they can be. As that's all they paid for.


Source? because all i can find in relation to courts and chat logs is a case where they were denied as source of evidence... ironically enough because it was decided that such recording even if possibly automated, still would require all parties to specifically consent to be recorded, in order to not break the state law.

The site sounds verry interesting^^
but how many guys will want to make a review on someone they hired as an escort :x
mabe there are guys or gals out there that would^^, but it just seems verry unlikely that they will go to your web-site and post about the escort they got with to comment on how good or bad they were ._.

It's a great way to raise someones popularity but i dont think it would raise enough peeps

._.

When you hire yourself out as a hooker, you give that consent. Why is it suddenly the critics problem to ask, when food critics don't tell restaurants they are judging and reviewing..and mystery shoppers don't say either.

if there is any 'one time only' arrangement that needs to be worked out IN ADVANCE and initiated BY THE PROTITUTE. I don't have to ask for consent to judge your roleplay, nor to post as Jorean has on his site. He doesn't post entire logs, as he says, ONLY snippets like people can quote books giving reference.

Don't want to be judged or reviewed?

DON'T BE A HOOKER

You can basically try to put this under the rules of fair use. If you're writing a review, fair use principles allow you to reproduce some of the work to achieve your purposes.

However.

"fair use" is tricky to get right, especially in case like this. That's because it's judged on case-by-case basis, and there's few factors taken into account:

1. the purpose. No problem with this, some quoting is allowed for a review.

2. nature of work in question. Here, it gets bad. Quoting from fictional works like novels gives you considerably less leeway than quoting from factual publications. On top of it, quoting from work _unpublished_ is extremely risky business. Because the author has the right to control the _first public appearance_ of their expression.

Note a regular book review typically quotes from work that's already on the open market. Publishing something you were the only (intended) receiver of... that's something entirely different.

3. the amount and substantiality of the portion taken. One would think quoting just small bits is not enough to cause problems, but there's the icky "substantiality" clause. That is, even if you take a small portion of a work, your copying will not be a fair use if the portion taken is the "heart" of the work. In other words, you are more likely to run into problems if you take the most memorable aspect of a work. Which i think was indeed a case in quite a few of your reviews.

4. the effect of the use upon the potential market. This one is also dangerous, as it hinges on whether your use deprives the copyright owner of income, or undermines a new or potential market for the copyrighted work. I think you can agree that quoting parts of someone's work in this kind of business, especially if it's memorable and important parts (see #3) can affect their income in quite a few ways, and perhaps most of them will be negative rather than positive.

... All in all. Considering the above and nature of 'work' you review. I'd steer away from any sort of direct quoting. While these are a nice and interesting read to someone not directly involved, there just isn't enough leeway imo left here to do so comfortably.

And if you find yourself unable to give the reader of your reviews a sense of "the way the escort writes" without quoting them verbatim, and without even bothering to ask them if they'd mind such quoting... maybe consider a different kind of work, instead?

YOU ROCK!!!!! THIS IS THE BEST THING I HAVE READ IN THESE FORUMS YET!!

Originally Posted by Master Quatro
I think any idiot who pays to masturbate to an avatar really has issues. If you can't get laid on SL anytime 24/7 and have to resort to paying someone to copy and paste sexually provocative text, you had better turn that computer off NOW!




ROFL!