Project Open Letter hits SL

This is the root of the problem with people remarks like off the blog.........

"87 AWM Mars Says:

May 1st, 2007 at 3:45 AM PDT
#59
Just because I have an issue with discrimiation, doesn’t warrant you rubbishing me with a lot of elements of the game which are a concern, for which I agree with.

When I joinned SL, there were Free accounts and LifeTime Membership for a one off fee (I paid the latter). Irrespective of which choice anyone makes for an account, or when, that should not now place them in a ‘have/have not’ position.

I won’t sign on the very principal that, the contents wants to introduce that distinction, and for no other.

The correct approach for any community, should be to suggest scaling up the ability for ALL to be able to login. That is acheiveable!"


Now this is not a "I JUST WANT TO BE DIFF VIEW" its just the lack of really seeing issues. Now if people want to say "The Sky is all rosey and pretty" When really they are dark and gloom then so be it. Love nobody is forcing you to sign it. But coming out and sticking it the people with one side fence sitting beliefs is just tacky.But if you need to "JUST" be different so be it. Just don`t come off speaking for LLABS. We are all fighting for the same causes here.....

Usagi

Well, I was just over on the blog and can't post a comment, it looks like I would have been comment 101 and the comments automatically closed at 100.

Folks, if you agree with even most of the letter, please sign it.

its pretty useless when they close it after 100.

*bump*

I find you comments to be no more than tacky at best. As I stated, I will not sign the petition on the grounds that it inheriently blames free accounts as part of the problem.
I also stated, that I agree with most of the elements listed, but do not agree to discrimination of any kind. If that is 'sitting on a fence' then so be it.

You singling me, or anyone out that does not agree with you, out, leads me to believe that you think you are some sort of elitist. It says 'Community' over the door, not 'members only club'. Even if (and thats a large IF) I was a premium account holder, I would still not agree to discrimination. I do not see a 'fence' other than the one YOU created.

You know nothing about me, or what I stand for and I am not about to justify myself to you, for my actions... you do what you believe and let others do what they believe.

I do not suffer many of the problems posted here on the forums, BUT I do frequent them almost daily helping those that do have problems, wherever I can.

I for one was happy to see this project develop as what is clearly a groundswell of common feeling about the big problems SL has been experiencing. As a near two-year resident, I can say that though there have always been issues on and off, which is part of the nature of the beast, but stability as stated in Christiano's well-thought letter is really the number one pain that we are feeling as never before. The fact that basic functions like friends list and teleporting, critical to business as well as social interaction (really the two main draws to SL), must work reliably for people to have confidence in the environment.

So besides signing the letter (and residents who wish to still should), at www.projectopenletter.com , residents should also vote in the overly complicated JIRA bug tracker to get things like friends online noticed. Torley provided the link to that one in the blog: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-85

To use it, you have to log in (again) after viewing the link, and then navigate on the left pane to a link that says "vote" for this issue. You can also leave comments there, and should if friends online not working is a problem for you. If this is the communication method the Lindens are moving to, then if we care enough to sign the letter, we might also consider caring enough to vote for and comment on the bug causing us the most pain.

Thanks.
Mystikal

Well I should have expected that from you to start with..........

We all help better the game love not only you.........so get off your fence....

Thanks to those who created the letter and all of those who signed it. At least LL is listening. Thank you LL for hearing us.

Suse, I believe so........THOSE that still have REPECT for themselves and Second Life have signed it.......

Want to Improve your Second Life ? Care about the Future of Second Life www.projectopenletter.com Show you care for others not only yourself

The letter was a great idea - I did sign it as soon as I heard about it.
But I wonder - if the letter didn't make news on CNET and Rueters - would LL of responded to it?

So anyone who hasn't signed the letter is not worth respect now, Usagi?
How would you feel if I said "vote how I tell you or you are scum"?

People who respect themselves will stick with their principles, no matter what bullies like you say. I respect AWM for not caving in to your demands.

Personally, I have an issue with the "It is not a legally binding document, so adding levels of authentication to it seemed overkill" explanation. When this petition claims to speak for SL residents, the minimum amount of security should be requiring the "signing" to take place in SL where the username can be easily verified. Allowing anyone to add the name of anyone else means the numbers cannot be trusted. Those 2469 names so far may in reality be only 30 people.

Sorry to be blunt but I am not sure this letter in itself is sufficient to fix the current woes of many Second Life citizens. Even if 10,000 people sign

The simple fact of the matter is that in the beginning SL was perhaps a ground breaking application of virtual world technology that together with some clever marketing and the concept of an economy, seemed to open up the opportunity of a new way of viewing and/or interacting with other people worldwide.

But it has not evolved in a true sense. Linden Labs refuse to become involved in contract enforcements (other than that that suits its pure financial interest in financing a constant stream of new servers). In other words it will not act as a Government.

Without the rule of law civilisation in a true sense becomes impossible, I look around on the grid today and see a constant never ending series of financial scams of one kind or another, the very disturbing issue of child sex role play, no clear cut legal position on gaming, and unverified accounts leading to grief issues.

Apart from software issues of which I do not believe can be considered in isolation I think that without drastic action to remedy the above other issues, these factors may lead to SL being closed down on the basis that it represents a real risk in terms of money laundering and other financial fraud, pornography, and many other unresolved legal issues.

Me..... I never put good money after bad, or in other words average down. I learned that lesson a long time ago. Apart from focusing on my own RL commitments I am off to Stormwind and Ironforge to improve my leatherworking skills. At least its honest entertainment in a safe online world, death there is only a temporary inconvenience.

You can even earn real money if that is your wish. I also see many opportunities for first life brand entry with more than 7 million registered paying users, I am sure Blizzard may wake up and smell the coffee

If SL dies it may not be.

Interesting observations. With ever society there is the good and the bad - you touch on a lot of the bad - and these issues have/are/and will be addressed at some point I am sure.

But the issues of the Open Letter Project are about: Stability, playability, inventory problems and the need for LL to seriously focus on fixing these tech issues instead of rolling out new features.

I seriously doubt it. However, we know now that negative press coverage is the way to their ears.

Agree, but not in a pejorative way.

I think LL is overwhelmed with just keeping the grid up and staying alive in RL - and they are practicing triage on everything else. For them, if it's not life-threatening to SL and themselves, it is second priority, or lower...

Hard to fault them.

But the ability to function in SL is a life-or-death matter, and they need to have it brought to their attention - unfortunately, that means whacking them upside the head with a two-by-four. I wish it weren't so.

Well I really signed it. I don't usally sign stuff. But this coverd the basics that this place needs to continue to be fun.
The freinds list part is important to me. When I log in the first thing I do is see if I see my friends online list is working. If the list is empty I relog, I relog, I relog, and if after 3 tries if still have no friends showing, I teleport somewhere and relog from there. (I find the mainland works best) I don't stop relogging till I get people on my freinds list. A lot of trouble. I think if everyone did that Lindens might notice that too.

"Like why is everyone logging on over and over?".Thinks a Linden."Maybe something wrong."

I didn't see anything in that letter that I didn't agree with. If I had I wouldn't have signed it. It was well thought out. Thank you to whoever it was that sent me that instant message, with no comments just the link. if you haven't signed it and agree with it please do but don't fill it with fictional names we don't need that I'm sure theres enough real names to get it noticed.

Yeah, you can't wait for them to guess, because I think they have too many fires to put out and can't take the time. You have to TELL them. In no uncertain terms.

I just wish it didn't require a 5 lb. hammer or a pile driver...: (

Spot on. I wish every SLer would read John's entire post, 87 times. The topic needs to be expanded upon and discussed at greater length, somewhere more appropriate.

The only government Mr. Rosedale appears to embrace is theocracy as he said in the Rolling Stone article and elsewhere: "The code is the law, and the code is God."

Maybe that's why he and LL do not intervene whenever a new bot falls from the Heavens. Whatever the code decides to do is what we must obey.

Oh man, I'm getting a psychedelic headache from my philosophical blatherings. But John Horner nailed it. No government = no civilization.

If someone doesn't wish to sign the petition, then they should never be belittled or bullied into it. Singling anyone out, and/or trying to make them feel lesser for not signing, does not help matters in any way, at all.

Instead of picking on people who have stated clearly why they choose not to sign, even if you don't see their reasons as valid, how about forwarding the petition on to those who might to sign?

Causing friction and being an ass to people who may disagree is NOT going to help matters or make the petition be seen as a valid voice of SL residents.

Let it lay as it is, and let it speak for itself, without making LL feel anyone was bullied into signing.

I agreed with it for the most part, if anything it is a case of residents speaking up for themselves as a group. That being said, no one who signed the letter should feel they are being a better citizen than those who don't. We all contribute in different ways.

SYS What ever and who ever you really are as this avie other then this one..........

Asfor the others doing their part of better second life......IF one believes this letter is good enough and agrees with it they have done their part of better of improving SL.

Hi, folks. Thanks for the feedback. I just wanted to make sure that you've seen this related thread: /327/bb/180827/2.html. Both Robin and I commented in that thread. We have set up a forum for the upcoming Town Hall here: /341/1.html.
Please contribute with your comments and questions as we seek to improve communication channels between Lindens and Residents.

thank you heretic.....

lol, thanks for sharing

The inventory issue is so crucial to the success of Second Life. There are very few things that can ruin a player's experience more than losing inventory. For your average player, losing an item that costs a few 1000 linden can be devastating. And there are many examples of people losing much more than that. It must be a huge drag on the SL economy and it certainly makes SL a much less fun place for those who suffer from inventory problems.

Anyway, it's a good letter, thank you to the people who wrote it and promoted it.