"FIC": common sense or group think?

Funny thing about the vote is, it was 21 to 12 one minute, and then 21 to 22 ten minutes later, without any new replies to go along with the "new" votes

I didnt vote either way, its not relevent

Yeah Yeah... any reason to show ma boobs

It's not really relevant, you're right. Had I been a little more awake last night when I posted it, I probably could've made the choices more relevant, as well as more of them. It has produced some interesting discussion, however.

Originally Posted by Marilyn Murphy
well... i dont comment much on the forums. but this thread has me wanting to make two statements.

earlier on a post states that the fic debate in the forums caused 10 changes in sl incurred by the lindens due to the fic debate. lord, help us all if the lindens actually listen to this tiny little bitty minority of actual sl citizens who post thousands of times in these forums. no one actually knows what the true majority opinion in sl is. we certainly do not get a feel for it in the forums.

mostly it appears those adopting a defensive posture on fic issues, or making satire of it, like to think they are fic, or that there is some fic collusion or something. there is no doubt that for a time senior citizens in sl did reap some benefit from mere longevity. as time goes on the game is adjusted as deemed neccesary to address imbalance.

the fic debate itself? its pointless. change will occur without it. the mentioned benefits to senior citizens were just a side affect of old standards that had not taken into account the changing nature of the game due to the massive influx of new citizens, and the growth of the land in sl, and the real money for linden dollars thing.

so sayeth:

marilyn

I do know a great deal about this, having spent hours in-world discussing it with some residents. You still don't get it. The Lindens "opened up" land for "anyone to use" is in fact the subsidizing of a sim for a social democracy toy government. Sending in a project proposal was part of it. The Lindens did nothing to stimulate this opportunity, preferring to just let one group take it, and calling that a "competition," which is misleading. Scathing remarks about other players being too lame to take advantage of this offer doesn't take away from the essence of the subsidy here: one group, and a socialist democracy take-over at that, got freed of a purchase price.

FIC and the criticisms related to are old than 2 months, and this process may well have been accelerated by the public discussion of the really unreasonable policy of giving one group of players a sim free of up-front purchase cost, merely for the cost of tier.

It doesn't matter if only one group showed up for the contest, because LL didn't go on providing that opportunity equally over enough time to enable others to take advantage of such an opportunity.

When you only get one applicant for a "contest," it isn't a contest you have promoted or explained very well, and just letting one "winner" walk away with it is a poor policy that lays the groundwork for questions about impartiality.

It is now ending, and thanks the Lord for it. Just don't misrepresent what it is: people who didn't pay an up-front purchase price for a sim like the rest of us LOL.

A chief feature of the FIC is that they deny there is any privilege in the first place.





Um, that's why it says the ended the OLD system, the OLD way it was done, and substituted a new way.




No, that's why the previous point was made, they ended one system, created a new system, everyone hollered, and they revised it. Go read the Linden forums. They made it so not just mentors and live helpers, already privileged on a reinforced cycle track, but anyone with a plausible educational program, could get the grant. It has a few hoops to jump through but in principle now, anyone, live helper or mentor or not, can get an education grant. That was not the case when they first redid the program, just go back and look at the official announcements before shouting "bullshit" because you can't stand a point being made.



Geez, this is the best example, and you are obdurate about accepting it. Go and read the thread about the Linden cards, and you'll get it.




They've changed that to 60 days now, I believe. That's what I mean by revising.




I guess you are one of those people privy to the Lindens' to-do list and game plans way ahead of schedule, like some other posters here?




You wouldn't have to be a conspiracy nutter to point out that only one group got a sim without an up-front purchase price, that only a few players got to have the card dispensor on their lot, etc. That's just being an ordinary person walking up to a very privileged and insular system and saying, hey, wait a minute here...



Well, now you've introduced a new concept, a Linden move prompted by their possible concern about newb masses always asking worriedly "what is the FIC". I never thought of that. Well let's add it to the list then : )




Their awareness about this was sharpened by the hell breaking loose on the forums which occurred due to very sharp debates and the response of some groups to the sharpness of those debates by engaging in personal attacks and venomous hectoring.




Well, that's pretty silly, because some very old players are in fact the club owners and in fact hop too. The content-creators who got rated due to their content and kept those ratings forever, whether they ever created another thing, would be the winners, as would those who once had popular lots and got the ratings, etc. To pin it all on "newbie club hoppers" is short-sighted indeed. Unfortunately, we can't pull up a fair sampling of profiles now to see if your very skewed and prejudicial take on ratings is correct. But I think the rapidity with which many old players restored their ratings and kept their high stipends testifies to their large, established player networks that function outside of clubs.



I concede they did nothing for your world. I said they were beneficial for the world which is our world.

heads up their collective asses

Do you really think using this type of language is going to encourage anyone to reply in a sincere and polite manner?

Do you really think using this type of language is going to encourage anyone to reply in a sincere and polite manner?

Do you really think using this type of language is going to encourage anyone to reply in a sincere and polite manner?

(sigh)

I have admitted, at least 20 times, that I am no better.

But just because I make a mistake then it's ok for everyone else to make mistakes? This is a very common logical fallacy, called the tu quoque fallacy:

http://www.philosophicalsociety.com/Logical%20Fallacies.htm#tu-quoque

Call me on it. Abuse report my post. But for the love of god, treat each other with more respect.

Taken in conjunction with other incidents, the recent "nudity in Bedazzle ads" thread and the "government and anti-government" threads are pretty revealing.

The trouble with conspiracy theories is that they assume that people act reasonably, and with discipline and foresight. Conspiracy theories can't handle irrationality, emotionalism, and sheer nonsensical behavior. But the truth, virtual or otherwise, is almost always a messy collection the best and the worst in human beings.

There's a mob mentality on these forums. But unlike some claim, it's not organized, and it's not a conspiracy. Certain people exercise more "power" over the mob merely because they're erudite, charismatic, well-known, and in many cases, have been around for a long time. The loose opinions of the mob are "semi-pervasive in western society." So, unfortunately, are their tactics. Especially on the internet.

A Mob Mentality? I joined this forum to escape reality for a while. I think that is the true reason anyone joins one of these forums or plays simulation games for that matter. You don't have to be yourself, you get to be someone else, in another world just a short time. Then it's back to everyday life...Do people actually take what others say in this forum personally? How sad.

Like I said, new to the site, haven't quite figured it out yet, so please bear with me.

A Mob Mentality? I joined this forum to escape reality for a while. I think that is the true reason anyone joins one of these forums or plays simulation games for that matter. You don't have to be yourself, you get to be someone else, in another world just a short time. Then it's back to everyday life...Do people actually take what others say in this forum personally? How sad.

Like I said, new to the site, haven't quite figured it out yet, so please bear with me.

Funny thing about the vote is, it was 21 to 12 one minute, and then 21 to 22 ten minutes later, without any new replies to go along with the "new" votes...