Immense ugly griefing eyesores, a risk land-owning for residents?

You can do it, and if the lindens will see that our buildings are ok you will receive the usual auto reply telling you they examined your abuse report, without any consequences, while people will just laugh in your face in the forums. Feel free.

I don't disagree that a discussion is warranted. I do think that the discussion is good. However it appears to me that the abuse report is an over-reaction.

I view this thread as a coersive technique used by you similar to the coersion you claim Biff has used.

given that the entire SL economy when totaled does not equal 99999999999999, setting a plot to sale for that price is essentially not setting the plot for sale at all, since its literally impossible to convince ANYONE to buy it.

Thats not sinister, its simply silly. Setting a plot to 3-4x (or 10x or 20x etc as i have seen elsewhere) the going value (anywhere from L$5 to 10 per sqm) and then trying to make it ugly and/or laggy enough so that someone else in the sim will, out of desperation, pay you a nice 'profit' is a whole different beast. Thats downright nasty and people doing it do not need, or deserve your effort standing up on their behalf. and believe me i have dealt with alot of them trying to amass a large group land area spread across two sims.

I have had people happily give me small blocks of land because they weren't using them, and liked what we were doing, and i have also been forced to pay hundreds of US $ to get rid of a spate of annoying little squares here and there whom the owners set at extortional prices and set out things designed to basically wreck the sims they were in until *I* caved (as the only active user of the sim at the time, and owning *all* the surrounding land, it could only have been directed at me) not even counting the direct on IM jibes and taunts that some people have done as i have constantly tried to talk them down to a more fair, but certainly still generous, price.

This is a known practice, and its one that i simply don't abide by anymore, and believe me when i say looking down the road LL is going to have to do *SOMETHING* about it over time because its just been getting worse, with each month thats gone by, as more, greedier, and less SL reputation concerned people decide to ply at this 'trade'

so why would the Lindens think that Biff's build is not OK?

Champie

Why? An abuse report is there to report abuses, in my eyes placing an immense annoying build (that causes me an headache in less than 1 minute looking at it) in people's face is an abuse. Then it will be the linden's choice to endorse my opinion or reject it.

Some times I wish someone would just firebomb the SL forums. I would hid in my safe little VC tunnels laughing at the american captalist pigdogs being burned while calling the local buildings ugly.

eltee...good point on the 9999999999999 comment I made. I agree with what you've said regarding that.

I also agree that small plots, disjointed plots, etc is a real pain when you are trying to create some continuity for a project. My experience is that patience and acceptance of the reality of SL and how it works is the ony way you can avoid the frustration, anger, and displeasure that you feel when others don't share your vision.

Champie

Adohan: LOL, it certainly interesting to see how insults, verbal violence and profanity come almost always from the same direction.
PS: This post has not been started by an american, so your little card castle crumbles, sorry to ruin your little naive dreams

Holy shit..that's like half the stuff I see everyday...

Maybe they should rename this game "Abuse Report Online", because if that's the criteria then we'd all be filing reports all day. I don't know what you do for a living, but I write enough reports as it is.

Champie

do you fell victimized by this thread now?? What about Biff? Has he been victimized enough? Not enough? As much as you, or less?

Champie

SImply dont play the extortion game. I have had people try that in that past with me. I simply ignore it the best I can, build in front of it sometimes when practical and let them eat their land tier until they feel like playing nice.

It might be a hassle for some, btu I can play the waiting game really well. Lots of patience

I didn't say anythink about America

PS: Don't you mean my "cybar terist" dreams?

Biff I asked you to remove it. The scripts are dragging Onterio sim fps down. We had no lag before you showed up. You didn't even respond to my IM. I see its no longer for sale for L$8499 for 512. Why is it even there your never around?

M

Do i read "American capitalist pigdogs?" mmmmh... yes i do.



mmh actually no, i said it's interesting, not that it has any effect on me.
The contrary, seeing the people that attack me recur to profanity and verbal violence just proves my point.

my experience is that any sim that is on an older server (SimCPU 1.00) will usually yield 500-800 FPS. Ontario is currently getting over 500 FPS consistently.

Again, is that the criteria you want to apply to all of SL?

Biff can build and die, as long as he pays his tier and membership fees. He doesnt have to justify his presence or absence to anyone.

Champie

do you have examples of this?

Champie

also..you mean directed profanity or profanity in general?

verbal violence directed at someone..like "fuck you I'm going to kick your virtual ass"

or verbal violence as in a description? For example: "Then he said fuck you and kicked my virtual ass"

These are different things.

Champie

Nice

I AM SERIUS. :-[

Thats what makes it interesting

I dont think Shiryu knows what's going on...2 opposite responses to the same post.

maybe I'm wrong, but that's what it looks like

i checked simfps before and after i built the tower. i checked again when i took the tower down. i saw no difference in simfps.

Older video cards might see client-side lag. i will check with a older video card when i get the chance. lag is not my intention.

I experienced something recently and was pointed to this thread.

Let me qualify something from the start: Yes, my land is for sale, and yes I am building big things on it.

That said, there are many of us that have migrated here from other virtual communities and have never had the type of creative expresison that we have here. Learning about land ownership, neighborly best practices, and what our rights are has been challenging.

So, though my land is on sale, I bought it at first so that I wouldnt have to be building in a sandbox. I continue to use it as such. I always watch ALT-1 for any impact I may have on any aspect of sim performance. I usually leave my land barren (even when it wasnt on sale) so that the sim could have those resources freed up...I mean, I had been trying to do everything I could to be a great neighbor (even offering textures, objects, scripts, building advice, etc, to those I meet there. Even helping them tune their stuff so that it runs more efficiently).

So, last night I was experimenting with visual effects (mind you, I work 7 days a week lately and haven't had much time for SL, and REALLY enjoy it when I have the peace to get creative juices flowing!) and the like, and made something for my g/f that she thought was beautiful, and absolutely loved. It was big, it spun, and she adored it. Griefing was not even in our minds, we were just exploring building together.

We never had anything like this type of creative freedom in ActiveWorlds...and we are exploring it with joy.

So, this morning I got an IM to email from two neighbors of mine that are part of a group that I really like and respect...it has been so cool having their silliness and creative energy next door. They are one of the few reasons I enjoy that sim anymore. However, both messages were nasty and insulting, calling my build 'griefer crap'.

I immediately logged in and communicated with the neighbor, and removed the item that bothered them. However, I didn't like the tone they initially took...and something tells me that both past bad experiences and threads like this got them all fired up and loaded for bear. We came to a great understanding and I will be even more conscious of what I build from now on.

What I want from posting this is for people to take a deep breath, think for a second, and consider who you are communicating with if you have a problem with a build. Many of us are doing what we are doing as a result of wide eyed wonder, and are not aware that we may not be meeting the aesthetics of a neighbor.

Some, if not many, of us enter this with a positive attitude and are willing to work with others. I will not mention the people's names that complained, because I understand them to have been frustrated...but people need to check their assumptions before they create enemies out of someone who potentially could be a great neighbor.

Though I have been told that there will be NO changes to the ToS regarding this, I do believe that there should be something akin to a loose zoning...put businesses next to businesses, let residents reside with more residents...

*rant
For example, I see no reason to put a casino in a mostly residential sim, esp. where a beautiful terrain once was, other than pure greed. Same goes to some land barons that slam the prices without regard to the overall economy(you know who you are). Greed.
*rant

Thanks for reading this far. Take care and have fun!

Or we need less Biffs.

While I catagorically disagree we need any type of zoning (telling people what to build would kill SL overnight) I do think that the post a couple posts above makes a valid point about seeing the other person's side of the story.

I think tolerance is the greatest peacemaking tool.