Do we have to go through this again? 

Apparently so, they just don't get that bigotry in any form against any group is wrong. I am saddened that some people in my forum family feels like this is ok.
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Billy Grace
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05-06-2005 14:25
Do we have to go through this again? ![]() Apparently so, they just don't get that bigotry in any form against any group is wrong. I am saddened that some people in my forum family feels like this is ok. _____________________
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Eggy Lippmann
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05-06-2005 14:26
Here is a thought too Eggy... NEITHER DO THE MAJORITY OF CHRISTIANS. The more you say, the more obvious your ignorance of your own bigotry becomes which is sad. I'm sorry Billy, but you are wrong. The majority of people are utterly stupid, and christians are no exception. The enlightened christians are a minority. The clueless redneck variety is the norm. Do you have ANY idea how OFTEN I have been insulted and discriminated by the 97% christian majority? I can simply NOT say "I dont believe in God" or "I am not a christian" without SHOCKING people. Do you have any idea how many times I've ben told that I was going to hell or somesuch nonsense? Try and pretend to be an atheist for a day or two. _____________________
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Billy Grace
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05-06-2005 14:26
this thread makes me sadMe too Willow. ![]() _____________________
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Billy Grace
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05-06-2005 14:30
I'm sorry Billy, but you are wrong. The majority of people are utterly stupid, and christians are no exception. The enlightened christians are a minority. The clueless redneck variety is the norm. Do you have ANY idea how OFTEN I have been insulted and discriminated by the 97% christian majority? I can simply NOT say "I dont believe in God" or "I am not a christian" without SHOCKING people. Do you have any idea how many times I've ben told that I was going to hell or somesuch nonsense? Try and pretend to be an atheist for a day or two. This is your belief which you are entitled to. But to use this as justification for bad behavior is kinda pathetic. Again it is the ole "he did it first so it is ok for me to do it too" argument. Please give some introspective thought to what you are doing here and sho some respect for those of us, even if you believe it to only be 3%, who do not and have not done anything to you. _____________________
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David Valentino
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05-06-2005 14:31
David, I am not going to debate the entire Bible here with you. Suffice it to say that yes, I disagree with what it says and it is extremely offensive. Why you feel some need to pile it on is beyond me. Well..by denying it, you are showing the fact that you haven't read it, at least all of it. Please go grab the Old testement and go to it. Everything the warning label says as to content is indeed in the Bible. Although I'd suffered through reading the Bible as a young lad, during my parents church phase, I hadn't opened it in years, until a female co-worker, hoping to save my soul, gave me a modernized version of the Old Testement, called "The Book", in the hopes that I would see the light. I dutifully read it, and was actually shocked. It contained murder, incest, talk of beastiality, and many other violent or perverse acts that are condemned by christians today, and all in the name of, or directly ordered by God or his messenger. So why shouldn't there be a warning label. And many horrible things have been done in history, with the Bible being held proudly aloft as the excuse/reasoning. Hell..have one kid kill another and say that Dungeons and Dragons Monster manual made him do it, and the whole of christianity swarms to declare the game evil. But the bible and christianity being at least partially responsible for horrendous and widespread acts of murder, violence and depravity, and the Christians all cover their ears and speak in tongues. Nice double standard... _____________________
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Willow Zander
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05-06-2005 14:31
I say I don't believe in God and I have no religion to someone almost every day, and they never say i'm going to hell OR are shocked by it, sure they ask me to think about things, and I do, but they are never pushy...
Not every single person that has some sort of religion can be tarred with teh same brush... I just think its sad that we are attacking each other like this... Was a joke, Billy didn't like it, can't we respect that and move on? _____________________
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Liona Clio
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05-06-2005 14:31
I'm still puzzled why you would be so angry billy. Are you denying that the contents of the warning label are true? All of those things are indeed in the bible. And as to the warning of behavior spawned by the bible..history is full of examples of such behavior inspired by the bible. So..why be pissed? I think we all realize the implications this satirical label is making...That people who read the Bible are self-righeteous, xenophobic, ignorant evangelicals. I will agree that a number of Christians, perhaps even a majority, fall into that stereotype to one degree or another. However, NOT ALL Christians are like that. I can understand why Billy's offended. There are such things as humble, tolerant, and open-minded Christians. In fact, if people really read the tenets of what Christ was trying to say, I beleive they'll find he taught these virtues. The Label should also read, "All text (including this label) is subject to interpretation." _____________________
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Juro Kothari
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05-06-2005 14:34
Apparently so, they just don't get that bigotry in any form against any group is wrong. Big difference between a joke and bigotry, if you cannot figure out the difference, Billy, I do feel for you. _____________________
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Einsman Schlegel
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05-06-2005 14:35
Umm..have you read the bible? Because everything that warning label says is true. So why would you be offended by the truth?? Truth hurts. _____________________
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David Valentino
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05-06-2005 14:37
I think we all realize the implications this satirical label is making...That people who read the Bible are self-righeteous, xenophobic, ignorant evangelicals. I will agree that a number of Christians, perhaps even a majority, fall into that stereotype to one degree or another. However, NOT ALL Christians are like that. I can understand why Billy's offended. There are such things as humble, tolerant, and open-minded Christians. In fact, if people really read the tenets of what Christ was trying to say, I beleive they'll find he taught these virtues. The Label should also read, "All text (including this label) is subject to interpretation." Of course nbot all christians are like that. I am merely stating that the warning label, joke as it was, is very accurate just the same, and if the truth of such a thing makes someone that angry..well..perhaps that's why I'm not a christian...the hypocrisy would kill me.. _____________________
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Juro Kothari
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05-06-2005 14:38
Was a joke, Billy didn't like it, can't we respect that and move on? Not when he plays the Bigot card. No way. You wanna see what it's like to be on the recieving end of the bigot-stick every day of your life, Billy - walk a mile in my shoes, brother. I understand he didn't appreciate it - fine, I respect that. _____________________
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Billy Grace
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05-06-2005 14:39
Big difference between a joke and bigotry, if you cannot figure out the difference, Billy, I do feel for you. So again I ask, do you think that jokes about blacks using the "N" word are ok? That is ludicras. To say that it is a "joke" therefor not bigotry is just stupid. There is NO excuse that justifies bigotry in ANY form. If you can't figure that out it is I that feel for you. _____________________
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David Valentino
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05-06-2005 14:41
So again I ask, do you think that jokes about blacks using the "N" word are ok? That is ludicras. To say that it is a "joke" therefor not bigotry is just stupid. There is NO excuse that justifies bigotry in ANY form. If you can't figure that out it is I that feel for you. LOL! Can you please point out the bigotry in that warning label?? Did he call the bible a bad name or something? _____________________
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Billy Grace
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05-06-2005 14:42
Not when he plays the Bigot card. No way. You wanna see what it's like to be on the recieving end of the bigot-stick every day of your life, Billy - walk a mile in my shoes, brother. I understand he didn't appreciate it - fine, I respect that. Walk a mile in my shoes... that is pathetic. You are saying that it is perfectly fine for you to say anything you want because you have been on the receiving end?????? Come on man. If you think it is wrong... DON'T DO IT TOO AND DON'T DEFEND IT my friend. _____________________
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Willow Zander
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05-06-2005 14:42
This thread is still making me sad
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Billy Grace
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05-06-2005 14:47
The fact that some of you think that this behavior is ok is a sad testament to what has happened to moral, decent behavior in this world of ours.
I have said my peace and will bow out of this thread now in hopes of putting a stop to this. _____________________
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Juro Kothari
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05-06-2005 14:47
Walk a mile in my shoes... that is pathetic. You are saying that it is perfectly fine for you to say anything you want because you have been on the receiving end?????? Come on man. If you think it is wrong... DON'T DO IT TOO AND DON'T DEFEND IT my friend. I'm saying that I can see a joke, even a GAY joke, for what it is: a joke, not some bigoted comment. I usually reserve the 'bigot' label for actions such as: denying the right to marriage, adopt, hold jobs, obtain housing, etc. etc. Side note: if anyone knows any GOOD gay jokes (not those stupid 5th grade playground ones), let me know! I think people are afraid to tell them to me thinking I would be offended. _____________________
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Juro Kothari
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05-06-2005 14:48
So again I ask, do you think that jokes about blacks using the "N" word are ok? That is ludicras. To say that it is a "joke" therefor not bigotry is just stupid. There is NO excuse that justifies bigotry in ANY form. If you can't figure that out it is I that feel for you. A joke that pokes fun at the contents of a book DOES NOT EQUATE to a joke about one's ethnic background. Specifically, becuase the use of the 'N' label is derogatory. Sorry to disappoint. _____________________
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Juro Kothari
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05-06-2005 14:51
LOL! Can you please point out the bigotry in that warning label?? Did he call the bible a bad name or something? No, he didn't. Billy took it personally as an attack on his faith and beliefs. _____________________
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Liona Clio
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05-06-2005 14:55
Of course nbot all christians are like that. I am merely stating that the warning label, joke as it was, is very accurate just the same, and if the truth of such a thing makes someone that angry..well..perhaps that's why I'm not a christian...the hypocrisy would kill me.. Oh, I don't deny the truth of the label...The Bible talks about a *lot* of things, not all of them happiness and sunshine. The Bible isn't about hypocrisy. The *Organized Christian Church* may be about hypocrisy, but the Bible is no more culpable of religious negativity than the Koran is culpable of terrorism. And let's be frank. This was an attack on the Bible. Not on the idiots who give it a bad name, but on the actual text. I'll let the idiots twist in the wind, and I'll call them fools. But I will defend the Bible as a text I believe gives some basic tenets on how to live a good life. It's an aritcle of faith for us Christians...even for the slim minority of reasonable ones. We don't ask you to respect those who take our faith and pervert it...but we do ask you to respect our faith, just as we strive to respect your beliefs, and the beliefs of others. _____________________
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Willow Zander
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05-06-2005 15:01
Oh, I don't deny the truth of the label...The Bible talks about a *lot* of things, not all of them happiness and sunshine. The Bible isn't about hypocrisy. The *Organized Christian Church* may be about hypocrisy, but the Bible is no more culpable of religious negativity than the Koran is culpable of terrorism. And let's be frank. This was an attack on the Bible. Not on the idiots who give it a bad name, but on the actual text. I'll let the idiots twist in the wind, and I'll call them fools. But I will defend the Bible as a text I believe gives some basic tenets on how to live a good life. It's an aritcle of faith for us Christians...even for the slim minority of reasonable ones. We don't ask you to respect those who take our faith and pervert it...but we do ask you to respect our faith, just as we strive to respect your beliefs, and the beliefs of others. *me claps* Personally I have no faith, as In, I follow no religion, but I sincerely respect those that do for their time, effort and their pure passion NOW CAN WE ALL GET ALONG... ![]() _____________________
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Juro Kothari
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05-06-2005 15:05
Soooooo.....
Anyone hear any good gay jokes lately? ![]() _____________________
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Eggy Lippmann
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05-06-2005 15:05
I propose we all STFU and let the thread die. How about it?
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Hikaru Yamamoto
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05-06-2005 15:48
Hey, has anyone seen the new Penn and Teller shows on DVD about the Bible and such?
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Neehai Zapata
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05-06-2005 16:00
IT'S A FUCKING BOOK REVIEW! Get over it.
Roger Ebert writes reviews of movies every week, but it doesn't make him a bigot if you decide that Scary Movie 3 is the basis for your religion and he gives it a bad review. Honestly Billy, get off the cross. Someone else needs the wood. You cheapen true bigotry when you make these arguments. After all, last I looked Christians were in the majority. _____________________
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