SecondLife Felons
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Adohan Zephyr
Bang bang
Join date: 20 Sep 2004
Posts: 216
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01-27-2005 18:42
I got this:
Dear Adohan Zephyr,
Linden Lab individually investigates the circumstances of every Abuse Report we receive. Following a careful review of our server records and logs, we have determined that your recent actions violated the Second Life Community Standards or Terms of Service. The violation in question occurred on December 18, 2004 in the region of Baku.
Violation: Community Standards: Assault, Safe Area
Most areas in Second Life are identified as 'Safe'. Shooting, pushing, shoving, or otherwise targeting another Resident in a manner prevents that Resident from enjoying their Second Life is a violation of Safe area standards.
The rules of conduct are interpreted with the broadest meaning possible.
Discipline
While we understand that some violations of the Community Standards may be unintentional or inadvertent, every Second Life Resident is responsible for ensuring that their actions do not disrupt the lives of their fellow Residents. While first offenders will generally receive a simple warning, violations of Community Standards and/or Terms of Service may result in temporary suspension from the community. Repeated violations will result in permanent banning.
As a result of this violation, your Second Life account is being temporarily suspended for a period of 14 days. It will return to active status on Monday, Jan 03, 2005.
Recourse
If you believe that this notice has been sent in error, or that the details of this incident have not been adequately examined, please address your concerns in an email to [email]abuse-manager@lindenlab.com[/email]
We will not disclose the identity of Residents who file Abuse Reports.
Sincerely, Linden Lab
14 days.
The thing that got me was that 1) Baku is my groups land and we own most of the sim and 2) I wasn't logged on at the time of my "E-ASSAULT"
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Adohan Zephyr
Bang bang
Join date: 20 Sep 2004
Posts: 216
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01-27-2005 18:44
From: Nogard Codesmith hey now, house...er.. parcel arrest... that might be a good punishment for some ppl. AVs without homes will be confined to baku. We dont want em.
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Wall Street
Mr. Warm Fuzzy
Join date: 20 Aug 2004
Posts: 312
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01-27-2005 20:12
From: Aimee Weber Actually I would be totally in favor of some kind of manditory visual marking for the recently convicted. Maybe a bit of text near your name (like "On Parole"  that will go away after a few weeks of good behavoir. That way if someone is a troublemaker we can see them coming a mile away and prepare/protect ourselves accordingly. Would that make you feel BAD enough Wall? I can't help that I'm bad baby. I was born this way. 
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Wall Street
Mr. Warm Fuzzy
Join date: 20 Aug 2004
Posts: 312
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01-27-2005 20:13
From: Darko Cellardoor Dude my rap sheet is five times that long! You are now officially my prison bitch since I was clearly serving time in the joint before you. Now put the lipstick on and call me Papi biatch!  Aye, Papi!!!
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Devlin Gallant
Thought Police
Join date: 18 Jun 2003
Posts: 5,948
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01-27-2005 22:11
Gee, Wall. I hope those sentences were consecutive and not concurrent. 
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billy Madison
www.SLAuctions.com
Join date: 6 Jun 2004
Posts: 2,175
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01-27-2005 22:17
From: Lynn Lippmann billy -- when did you get a foot fetish?
(Complete hijack of this thread, and my apologies.) When i first sucked on willow's toes.
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Wall Street
Mr. Warm Fuzzy
Join date: 20 Aug 2004
Posts: 312
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Grimmy Manefesto
01-28-2005 06:19
For any of you who are interested in the mission we pursue:
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Newfie Pendragon
Crusty and proud of it
Join date: 19 Dec 2003
Posts: 1,025
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01-28-2005 07:43
It's examples like this that reinforce my support of California's 'Three Strikes and You're Out' law. If someone is getting suspended repeatedly, then it's clear they're not getting the hint. Send them packing - maybe they'll have more fun in TSO or even There.
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Siobhan Taylor
Nemesis
Join date: 13 Aug 2003
Posts: 5,476
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01-28-2005 07:48
Wasn't Grimmy permabanned? If you're claiming to be Grimmy returned, then I suspect your next suspension might be longer than you expect. Unless of course you fully expect to be banned ... I dunno...
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Kris Ritter
paradoxical embolism
Join date: 31 Oct 2003
Posts: 6,627
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01-28-2005 07:50
From: Siobhan Taylor Wasn't Grimmy permabanned? If you're claiming to be Grimmy returned, then I suspect your next suspension might be longer than you expect. Unless of course you fully expect to be banned ... I dunno... Naw. I think he's just name dropping to try and justify his actions as a griefer. And anyway, Grimmy was far more eloquent, literate and imaginative.
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Siobhan Taylor
Nemesis
Join date: 13 Aug 2003
Posts: 5,476
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01-28-2005 07:51
From: Kris Ritter Naw. I think he's just name dropping to try and justify his actions as a griefer. And anyway, Grimmy was far more eloquent, literate and imaginative. Perhaps so, but I still think that claiming to be a famous griefer is likely to get one into trouble, especially if the Lindens believe it.
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Wall Street
Mr. Warm Fuzzy
Join date: 20 Aug 2004
Posts: 312
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01-28-2005 08:03
From: Siobhan Taylor Wasn't Grimmy permabanned? If you're claiming to be Grimmy returned, then I suspect your next suspension might be longer than you expect. Unless of course you fully expect to be banned ... I dunno... I am not Grimmy Moonflower. I never claimed to be. I merely think his ideas have merit.
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Zephyr Psaltery
Beautiful, sexy and vain!
Join date: 2 Dec 2004
Posts: 36
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I'm glad you all think this is cute!
01-28-2005 08:04
Let me relate towo personal incidents without naming names (Lindens know who is involved in each), whic illustrate why thisis not cute at all. About three weeks ago, a companion and I were intimately enjoying my apartment and each other's company. suddenly a strange man, who was visiting a neighbor, burst into my apartment interrupting my companion and I with an unwelcom stream of sexually suggetions about what we could to to and with him. for 20 minutes this harrangue continued despite my insistence that he leave. I have no idea what, if any action was taken, but he remaned on the property for the rest of the evening, despite this being reported to the Live help team.
It is not cute that we should be subjected to such digusting behavior and that no immediate banning is carried out on the first offense for life. IMHO, there should be not tolerance whatsoever for this. Yet, to my knowledge, this individual continues at large in SL.
The second incident occurred yesterday. i logged on to find that my apartment complex had been deleted and the land sold, leaving all residents and shopkeepers out their rents, many paid up in advance to several weeks. this individual owner aparently zeroed otut his inworld profile and either dissappeared or assumed an alt identity. though the matter is under investigatino, no resolution has been found and prsumably the culprit has made off with several hundred dollars RL value in Lindens...perfectly negotialble online. Question: What is anyone's motivation for participating in commerce at all with nothg to protect oneself against unscrupulous people. In this case, the landlord owner announced plans to sell the property intact for ahuge sum and not to expect an immediates sale. Reasonably relying on that, we paid our rents only to have them stolen without recourse.
So the next time you want to joke about felon status, remmember that people are being hurt in serious ways daily. Thank you very much for your insinsitivity to the gravity of this situation.
Zephyr
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Wall Street
Mr. Warm Fuzzy
Join date: 20 Aug 2004
Posts: 312
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01-28-2005 08:06
Caveat Emptor.
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Shadow Weaver
Ancient
Join date: 13 Jan 2003
Posts: 2,808
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01-28-2005 08:10
From: Nogard Codesmith How about a big scarlet "G" for griefers, "T" for forum trolls, etc...
edited to add: And dont forget a scarlet "A" for asshats So um dare I say it does this mean Id get to have T-n-A??? Shadow Weaver...The Ancient with more ass than the forums have Teeth
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Wall Street
Mr. Warm Fuzzy
Join date: 20 Aug 2004
Posts: 312
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01-28-2005 08:12
From: Shadow Weaver So um dare I say it does this mean Id get to have T-n-A???
Shadow Weaver...The Ancient with more ass than the forums have Teeth You know, I don't think I'd mind it if I saw some women with some good T's and A's. Maybe this is a good idea...
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Zephyr Psaltery
Beautiful, sexy and vain!
Join date: 2 Dec 2004
Posts: 36
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What?
01-28-2005 08:12
The land was purchased some time ago and developed as a residential complex. complete with shps, club, etc. he decided to divest and sold it to someone after giving written commitments that it would be sold as a going concern. The rents from residents and merchants amounted to several thousand L$ per week. He scammed us for another weeks rent t=with the lie that he would sell it complete and took the rents and left.
don't act like you don't understnd that this is fraud both inworld and out of it. No doubt, he left owing LL quite a bit in land tier fees too, since he owned the majority of the tow sims occupied by this development.
Zephyr
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Wall Street
Mr. Warm Fuzzy
Join date: 20 Aug 2004
Posts: 312
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01-28-2005 08:14
L$ will get their money. Unless he cancelled out his credit card. Yes, this is fraud and not griefing. I cannot advocate fraud.
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Zephyr Psaltery
Beautiful, sexy and vain!
Join date: 2 Dec 2004
Posts: 36
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Wall Street...you are wrong on that!
01-28-2005 08:16
As the Lindens pointed out, anyone can dispute and reverse a credit card transaction. At any rate, their point to me is that there is no structure for resolving disputes between residents. Caveat Emptor as an official policy ultimately means no commerce because there is no basis for trust and no protections for the parties agains those of ill will.
Zephyr
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Wall Street
Mr. Warm Fuzzy
Join date: 20 Aug 2004
Posts: 312
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01-28-2005 08:20
I feel for you. You did not suffer griefing. You suffered fraud. Which is a crime in the real world and SL.
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Jessica Robertson
Registered User
Join date: 3 Dec 2004
Posts: 412
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01-28-2005 08:25
Mr. Wall Street,
I don't know you at all, but I will go point by point about this document you seem to be hiding behind.
To you it is a game, to others it is more. This is merely a different perspective on Second Life, and does not give you the right to force your perspective on others through griefing. Excellent, you view SL as a game, but you do not play a game at others expense.
You view, according to this document, other peoples creations as worthless. This is a view that very few people take or they would not play SL in the first place, but, real time, effort, and energy goes into these creations, worthless to you or not, that time, effort, and energy is not worthless. To say that it is worthless is to rebuke everything that SL is. If you truely believe this document holds value, why do you play SL. It seems to conflict with everything SL stands for.
Reading this document further, you can argue that you are trying to do good by acting as a cure for escapism. I disagree, and would further point out that you are trying to force your viewpoints and ideas onto others. If you want to start a crusade against Online Computer Games and Virtual Worlds, by all means, do so. But do not resort to 'schoolyard bully' tactics to get your point across. This document makes clear the fact that you can and should use any tactics necessary to get your message across and make the game fun for you, regardless of how other people feel.
This message makes clear a number of things. 1. Complete disregard for how the other players, who are real people from around the world, feel and think. 2. That your enjoyment of what you call a game is paramount over the other people and the rules.
I offer the following arguement. This is a game and all games have rules, if you do not abide by the rules of the game you are no longer playing the game.
If you wish to play the game, play by the rules (clearly outlined in the Terms of Service).
Also, you should make an effort to understand that there are a very diverse group of players in this 'game' who are all real people, who all have real feelings. Griefing them for your own enjoyment has a real effect on those people being griefed, not to mention that in many cases it is against the TOS. You should make an effort to:
1. Play the 'game' by the rules of the game (TOS) 2. Make an effort to understand how your actions are effecting other players.
I think if you will try this, you will find 'the game' has many things to offer, including being much more fun than the self-indulgent laughter at your own actions by upsetting others through your own actions
Just my two lindens. Jess
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Wall Street
Mr. Warm Fuzzy
Join date: 20 Aug 2004
Posts: 312
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01-28-2005 08:30
Jessica,
I appreciate your well-thought out answers and calm tone of type.
For the record, I am not "hiding" behind anything. I just identify with Grimmy's manifesto. And you are 100% correct - its all about personal perspective.
You have made many good points worthy of careful consideration.
*Tips my hat to you*
~Wall
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Zephyr Psaltery
Beautiful, sexy and vain!
Join date: 2 Dec 2004
Posts: 36
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Wall Street, I note something else in your response...
01-28-2005 08:36
And that is...a total insensitivity to the assault. Evidently you feel this is a part of griefing and therefore, okay. Is that seriously correct?
Zephyr
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Wall Street
Mr. Warm Fuzzy
Join date: 20 Aug 2004
Posts: 312
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01-28-2005 08:38
Not correct. Its just something I never thought of before reading Jessica's post.
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Zephyr Psaltery
Beautiful, sexy and vain!
Join date: 2 Dec 2004
Posts: 36
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Good!
01-28-2005 08:41
Then at least you understand that this is more than a matter of "fun and games" to some of us who have been harmed in real world ways. I'd say that the basic slap on the wrist that most offenders get is only an encouragement. I'd dare say that if such violations carried a no-tolerance, lifetime ban from the game, then there would be less felonious behavior. But since it would alwo affect their pocktbooks, it seems likely that the Lindens will never rein in the bad guys who spoil this for the rest of us/
Zephyr
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