You CANNOT build what you want in a mature sim!!!

Anyone ever think that Feniks may not have created the "Actual" peni for instance if a person had modify rights to an object Feniks made Lets just say a water fountain. That could be cause for miscritiquing an individual.

Remember dont point because there is always three fingers pointing back at you.

Sincerely, ShadowWeaver

Sorry fen I must have been typing the same time you were.

Guess we will just ask hopalong.....

Its a round small ball...and when touched, shoots cum....touch off/on.

np Shadow.

fen-

I think no matter what linden told you about whatever community standards there were, was right. Look, you are playing a game that is on their server equipment and do you ever read over the license agreement when a new patch is put out? The standards are in there too, and whatever they choose is innapproiate for the game weather in a mature sim or not is within their right to remove. I don't need to be reminded that there are perverts in this world by seeing a giant penis somewhere. It just shows people, in my opinion you have very little class and decency. If you want to sell porn, don;t do it here, leave that for the smutty internet, noone here wants to see it.

Zoey, for what it's worth, everybody seemed to love the building - I know I did - but then I DON'T live in Stanford, anymore. One of your neighbours dimed you out, as is their right. The Lindens I spoke with about it actually got a kick out of it, I think.

Hi all,

Just some clarifications here:

Mature sims are areas where certain behaviors/objects/textures are allowed. Originally, we intended to allow them anywhere on mature sims, but the residents took issue with this and rightfully so. They wanted the freedom of a Mature sim, but got a bit overwhelmed by the numbers of "adult-oriented" textures in a certain area.

We agreed that they were a bit pervasive, and worse than that, they suggested that a particular area was dominated by a particular set of content when it wasn't, and the change in the standard was made.

Part of the intention of change was to create the correct verbiage that limits things like large phalli (is that the plural?)
and breasts from being made, buts its hard to write a community standard that is size restrictive without accidentally banning things that you didn't intend to. (Just ask the supreme court about that one....)

So we put decided to cross the bridge when we came to it, and in the middle of launch/bugs/billing/various other issues, the torch never got picked up. This situation has, of course, reminded us to reignite the flame. Many thanks to Zoey for reminding us, and apologies to her for accidentally opening the can of worms.

Our intent is to write the standard that allows people to behave in a manner that they wish on mature sims, but without unfairly affecting their neighbors to objectionable content. I don't think anyone has done this without interviewing and approving each resident. (Didn't I read somehwere that U2's bono was allowed to move into a ritzy co-op in New York where Madonna wasn't?)

We'll get on it, and thanks to everyone who has kept us on our toes. (note to self, buy better shoes.)

-Peter

Original post by Peter Linden


Just curious, who is the person, or persons, who get to judge if an object is "objectionable" ??

If your making a list, please add Billboards.


-TK

I think Zoey should be allowed to make her shop, she can sell whatever she wants from her property. If she wants to make a porno shop, that's her call. Inside, the building can look however she wants it to, but the outside is a different story. The outside of her building should be brought up to a code, as long as it's not a really restrictive one. If it's in a sim, and people can see it from a distance, then the building should at least be decent for people to look at. I personally wouldn't want to stare at a large penis outside of my house, whether i'm living in a mature sim or not. If she wanted to make it look similar to a penis, maybe make it brick insted of flesh colored or something, it might have been a bit better. But just making a giant penis into a building, that's crossing the line a little too much.

I am a good friend to Zoey and I stand by her 100%.

What's wrong with sex?

And thank goodness there are people like Zoey to help me find the answer.

No I don't think I would create a giant penis as a building. But then again I don't have the guts to...

I do understand the CS in Mature areas better now and in the future we will take greater care to tastefully display (read: hide) such content.

Self-repression is not healthy, self-control is.

And for those of you who have flamed Zoey for this I must say that to flame someone shows you're lack of creativity and maturity as well. Well more maturity..there are lot's of creative ways to flame people

Did I just flame you? probably, but I'm not claiming to be creative or mature...I know better then to say something that dumb when at 26 years of age I am merely an infant compared to the age of the RL universe. Then again I guess in SL terms I'm still a child as well being that I have only been here since the beginning of May. Be a little more humble about your assertions will ya?

BTW the MY answer is that sex is neither right nor wrong it's a natural function of life...it's what you do with it that determines whether it's right or wrong. So is making a giant penis wrong? Nope, just displaying it in the open is against the CS. There is a distinction between morality and law...

omg,

How you ever came to the conclusion that my particle effect was as you discribed "*** squiter" I will never know. Never in a million years would have ever put those two thoughts together.

Where is your mind? HAHA

fen-

I dont mind the building.....and I think it has served uts purpose now so who cares if its gone.

The Purpose??? yes I belive that the purpose was to get some attention of the other residents and this 3 pages long thread declares that it got attention alright.

Just my thoughts...no offense...

Hmm, i'd be kinda pissed if someone came along and deleted my penis heh.. hmm <drops pants> phew, okay, still there

And sorry I didn't mention this before...

But yes indeed, Zoey's building was well built, anatomically correct and she obviously spent alot of time making it. We have not mentioned the other objects that have been deleted (mostly left by residents as a last-desperate attempt to disrupt the world before leaving), so Zoey is unfairly being singled out here.

Again, I'm sorry that Zoey was the one to open this can of worms. This just happened to be the one that began the long thread.

To answer another question: who determines what is objectionable content? - You, the residents, do. We don't remove content that you don't report unless it *clearly* violates the community standards or violates trademark laws.

Upon reporting, we first check to see that the object is violating Community Standards or Terms of Services. If not, we then ask "whats the larger problem". The addition to the standards regarding mature sims was an example of the residents making a request, and our best attempts to solve the "larger problem" of objectionable content dominating a mature sim and unfairly biasing an area of the world.

Who was it who said that you should never see laws or sausage being made?

Have Fun,

-Peter

LOL



Just goes to show you that honest mistakes happen. You seem like a nice person and have a big enough heart to forgive her for making it yes?

ohh and because I didn't say this before

To the Lindens, thanks You people are great

Oh sure, yes, no hard feelings on both sides - I hope.
And for the record, I agree that Zoey should be able to have her store, if it adhered to the community standards. Maybe a brown paper wrapper around it?

And I second your Linden statement Gaudeon.

fen-

If there are no 18 year olds allowed in SL, why are there mature sims? Because there are people under 18 in SL, and they're going into mature sims!!!


Just keep everything inside and it won't be deleted

This may seem like a bit off-topic for this thread, but I must ask. Since the 'residents' determine what is offensive, if I decide that all houses and buildings are extremely offensive to me. Will they be deleted?

I was one of the people who saw this lovely shop while it was there, and even some of the residents who lived near it (Antagonistic Protagonist, do I believe being the immediate neighbor) was there and commenting on it as being humorous as well, never mentioning it to be offensive.

So the question becomes, majority of my land/buildings are in Taber, if I decide I hate every building in Aqua and Tan, do I have the right to see it deleted? What about if it's in Taber? Does that change it?

I don't understand how this 'judgement' is being made. What are the limits, the rules, the regulations.

Do 2 residents finding it offensive outweigh 2 who find it to not be so?

16 votes on the voting station near it would indicate to me that a good number of people found it to NOT be offensive. 16 votes is an awful lot, check the voting history.

i am so amazed at the stuffiness and down right CENSORSHIP
some of these posts are promoting..ITS A MATURE SIM...not within the visibility of a PG sim.....and does it really matter what you would build..or what you would want......zoey is a PAYING MEMBER of SL.....thier money is just as green as anyones..and what YOU would have in YOUR neighborhood doesnt matter..its what THEY wanted..and no one around them complained about....gee is this the government influence that kathy has warned us about?...............<shudder>

Actually Darwin its because some adults 18+ can still find some material offensive and don't want to deal with it.

It's not about protecting children but allowing adults to go places without having to be barraged by porn or offensive language.

JV

then they shouldnt travel to a marked MATURE area..........

Brad Lupis has the right idea with "she can sell whatever she wants from her property. If she wants to make a porno shop, that's her call."


Thor Arbuckle --- This thread has also gotten a lot of discussion out about an important topic and certainly cleared up in my mind what a Mature area is. You make it sound like a trolling thread with no value.


Some Linden --- Since this is not allowed in a mature area, please update the community standards faq. A simple comment in there about mature content not being publically visable, etc, will help reduce a lot of cofusion.


And finally, we have the worst response of the thread:

"If you want to sell porn, don;t do it here, leave that for the smutty internet, noone here wants to see it." --- Neo Valen


Neo Valen, I respect your right to post here and your opinion. So here is mine: Fewer people in the world sicken me more than those with a similar attitude to what you posted here. The arrogance that people who do not share your morales have no "class" or are indecent is beyond my words. The condescending assumption that she never "read over the license agreement when a new patch is put out" to see the community standards, when this thread has already covered the fact that the community standards do NOT limit any mature conduct or object being visible to the public (aside from Hate related objects). The standards SHOULD, and hopefully WILL state this (as I have asked above), but they do not.

"I don't need to be reminded that there are perverts in this world by seeing a giant penis somewhere." --- Neo Valen.

I am sorry for you that the sight of a penis reminds you of perverts. I truly am. I, myself, cannot comment about my reactions to seeing the structure as I never laid eyes upon it.



In any event, an interesting thread that helped clear up in my mind what is and is not allowed in the Mature areas. I hope the standards get updated soon.


Lowell Weaver

here here lowell <applause>

Please see:
http://secondlife.com/gallery/whatis.php?screen=6

Thanks!

And your point ???