Your Security Script? Yeah, Violation of CS.

If you are affected by one of these scripts try calling a Linden to check it. They have the power to remove the script or issue a warning to the owner. In my experience the Lindens have been very reasonable about removing griefing (so-called security) scripts that cause relogs.

In my experience too. Thanks, Lindens, for calming out-of-control orbs!

Damn it Huns, why dont people listen to you more often?

and also:
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OHNOES U MUST STA AWA FROMME ALL TIMES I AM DOING SEKRIT THINGS ONMY PARCEL AND I CANT HAVE **ANYONE** COME NEAR IT EVER EVER EVEN ACCIDENTALLY BRUSH IT WITH THEIR SHOULDER OR THE WORLD WILL END!!!
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If you are flying around, minding your own business, at high speed, and then you are instantly teleported home(or had your client crashed) for no reason whatsoever (except for being in their airspace for less than a second), then it's griefing. Or at the very least, you have a system made by a bad scripter.

I wonder:

How long until the term "passive griefing" gets used more?

Hey, if people want to call me a griefer as well as a troll, thats fine and dandy by me

Until there is an alternative way to manage it, or people suddenly learn what BUSY means, or take a hint that being 700m up means 'I don't want to be disturbed', then I'll continue to use teleport home scripts. By all means, abuse report to your hearts content, peeps

Because Spider these New Kids dont listen to thier elders that have been here for freaking ever Like you and Huns and Me and a few others...Oh well We have been here done this and I got a Tshirt store out of the deal.

Shadow

lol Shadow, you feta-ed inner you


land owners could have control over a certain amount of airspace, and then airspace above could be no-build public airspace. Kind of like sea rights in RL -- a nation can claim a certain number of miles of water from their coastline under international law, but then past that point the water is considered open to all.

Of course, this hasn't stopped multiple nations from claiming more miles than they should, nor has it stopped multiple wars over water routes.

i know, it is fun to build high in the air... but should there be limits or "air rights" ?

There already is a limit. You can't build beyond 768 meters or so. (Well, you can. But it gets returned to you ever 24 hours).

Or not.

I can't really offer any sort of opinion on those who have land open to the public as shops, clubs, ect.. but as a private land owner, I'd like to see better land controls.. I have an admit list which really only limits people from dropping to that certain height over my land, which is pretty much useless, I'd like to see property restrictions being taken all the way up to the build limit, so that if you really don't want people on your land, you don't have to buy something which may or may not infringe on someone else's rights. oooh, also - yeah, those big red NO ENTRY bars are very visually disturbing.. maybe have something in properties so that the individual user can switch them off.. we have that message "cant enter parcel" that should suffice, right?

Since we can't reply in the hotline to linden forum, I wanna quote the following, since it explicitly invites comment...



In real life, people don't link themselves to blocks of wood to get themselves into parts of my property that are off limits

But then in real life, I have the means to keep them out of places they shouldnt be. And all except criminals tend to adhere to those basic behaviour rules expected of society.

When people in Second Life respect my rights to privacy, or Lindens implement another way for me to enforce it, I'll stop tping them home

Kris the intention of this thread wasn't against llTeleportAgentHome, it was against the misuse of it which causes one to relog.

I agree with you for the most part on what you've said.

What's misuse? The scripting bit or where it's used? I use it on my private island. Which is public up to 300m or so. Then there is nothing for hundreds meters, except my personal work area. Which gets a surprising number of visitors. Who all get tp'd home.

The script itself I think is four lines, and undoubtedly hammers an avatar til they are gone. I dunno if any hafta relog, I've never messaged them to ask and they've never messaged me to scream about it. I have warning beacons around the perimeter, but the script doesnt message you or anything. Why should I?

If people are being nosey, tough. If they're seeking out green dots to bug, the mere fact this one is miles away from anywhere oughta be enough to make them think twice.

Now, am I griefing because I use a crude script? Or is that negated because it's a private island? *shrug*

FWIW, yes, if it happened to me on the main grid while just flying over on my way somewhere then I'd be pissed. Mainly because I have various logging in issues, various issues with tping and various issues with crossing sim borders that have been with me since the last update. Logging in and staying in for me is no mean feat.

How timely. I posted a message about this in another part of this board. I was livid last night that I'm taking my gf out on a flight in my new chopper and not only get Tp'd back home but we were both frozen and had to log.

Plain and simple this is battery. If I am on private property and am asked to leave and am willing to do so, no one has the right to forceably remove me. If I put up a fight and try my damndest to stay, then they can remove me from the property. So, in SL, for me to fly over a property and then be forceably ejected and ejected all the way back to my home sim, is battery, period.

I politely asked the offending neighbor to change the script. If she does, no harm no foul. If she does not I'll report her and we'll go from there.

*points a few posts up*

It is /not/ battery and you do no good, least of all to your own arguement and credibility, to claim it is.

At worst, it's griefing. More realisticly, its perhaps a bit rude. It is certainly by no means battery.

Kris, I'm not linking myself to a block of wood. I'm flying in my chopper over a sim and just happen to be in airspace over a house with such a script and am forced to log because of the resulting chaos. Given the mechanics of getting around in SL it is to be expected that people will sometimes stumble on or near your property. If you want to put up a fence (electronic or otherwise) that tells them they are not welcome, more power to you.

Why should a property owner feel that because it is their land they have some sort of right to commit a criminal act (the aforementioned battery)?




So your crime of battery trumps my crime of tresspassing? Or vice-versa! Doesn't work that way. Your arguement has no merit since you assume that anyone who stumbles onto your land is out to get you and you feel you must punish them. I respect your right to keep people off of your property but you seem to have no respect for the rights of those you are committing battery against. Again, simply block them. And if they are in the 1/10th of 1% that are out to get Kris by linking themselves to a piece of wood, deal with them accordingly

I'm happy to let the Linden's come down on this one way or another. Hopefully they will take a stand.

The comparison to rl is battery. There is no rl law related to 'griefing.' If I go to a nightclub in rl and am forceably ejected after being asked to leave and willingly on my way out the door, that is battery. Look it up.

In SL, if I stumble onto someone's land and am told I am not welcome by some script and left standing outside the property, that is cool. If that script forceably moves my physical person (well, virtual avi) that is battery. I'm not going to wade through legal definitions here but my point is clear and credible -- forceably moving my avi is battery. Call it griefing, pushing, whatever floats your boat but it is a TOS violation.

So, we will disagree on what exactly it is but I do agree with you that it is rude.

Your argument has no merit because you jumped to far too many conclusions about what I'm doing and failed to bother to read the post right here on this page in which I explicitly explain my circumstances. Oh, and my stance on these on the mainland.

And sure, if you think I'd be committing battery on you if you get tp'd out of your helicopter 700m above my private island, call the Lindens, by all means

I'm cool with this idea. This is a compromise that should work for all when you consider the environment we operate it. I'm fine with a warning that I need to get lost or I will be TP'd home.

Dude, it's not all about you. I'm not going to get in a pissing contest with you because I do respect your concerns for your own circumstances.

All of my posts on this topic have been related to this issue in general, and the quote you took from the other forum was related to my situation last night. I've never been 700m up and if I ever go that high I shouldn't whine about anything that happens to me. However, if I'm flying around my neighborhood I don't give a rats ass whether someone has a griefing problem or not on their private island. I only care that I should be able to fly around and not be instantaneously TP'ed home without even a slight opportunity to alter course. You and I have different motives here and that is why we will continue to disagree -- allbeit respectfully

This isn't real life, though. SL is a virtual world, basicly a 3D computer system. Until the lindens supply us with tools to keep you out of my areas of the system, the tools that they give us specificly for kicking people out of our space are going to be used for what they were meant for.

There is nothing criminal here, sorry. It's rude, yes, criminal, no.

Right. It's not all about you either. So remember little old me when you're campaigning for a blanket ban to be written into the ToS, or urging people to abuse report it, or labelling all users of these scripts batterers, won't you?

And if you bother reading the other post I mentioned, we're actually not in disagreement. Except it's not as black and white as you seem to think.