My name is Ahnould, and I am Govanah

JV-
yea ok. Are you also one of those that buy into thos "War on Terrorism" in Iraq and the non existant WMDs? Bush himself has said that Suddam wasnt involved in 9/11. Oh yea but then he forgot that two days later and told the UN that New York was the symbol of an unfinished war. Where is Osama anyway?

Do you think its a coincidence that Condolisa Rice was on the Board of Directors at Chevron and has now been tasked with heading up the committee on rebuilding? And that US firms are gaining billions for "rebuilding".

People seem to forget the energy crisis in California was manufactured. People forget the back room Cheney deals. Also that federal funding to states has been cut not to mention where monies have been allocated they havent been delivered.

Thats ok though. I appreciate and respect that you have a differing view and I wont stoop to personal attacks. Thats what makes the US a great place.

This 5th generation Californian doesnt think a Hitler loving son of an SS Soldier who has the propensity for abusing women is right for our great state. I guess time will tell.

Misnomer, please, try to look through propaganda (yes there is propaganda from both sides, not just pro US but also anti US and both are wrong).

Thank you for ignoring the fact that the US is indeed not in a recession anymore as that was the main point of your original post and the main point of my reply proving your "republican driven recession" wrong.

We have whole other thread on the Iraq war, and I really don't want to hijack this one too, but I will mention your "non-existant" WMD's have been claimed to be existant by many people other than republicans over the last decade, most notably in 1998, by both clintons, kerry, lieberman, gore, all the main democrats... So it's not that Bush lied to us, its that we can't find them now. How hard is that for you to understand?


I don't believe the Fed. should be funding states, if a state can't survive on its own revenue its doing too much. We are the United States of America, the Federal government should only be paying for what effects all states. As far as I know, the back room cheney deals and the fabricated energy crisis is just paranoid conspiracy theorist crap, but please i'd love to see hard proof if you have it.

NOW THIS REALLY PISSES ME OFF, not at you so much Misnomer but that people actually believe last minute character attacks.

The Hitler loving quote has been denied by the person that said he had it. He said his book or interview with Arnold was taken way out of context and misrepresented, this has been made public, yet you decide to continue spouting this line about Arnold? There are many reports verified that as a youth, Arnold and a group of his friends chased out a Neo-Nazi group from his hometown in Austria. Also Arnold hired a Jewish group to look into any crimes his father may have committed. There are many attacks you can use against Arnold, but the Hitler one is proven wrong and was a desperate attempt by leftwing newsrags to discredit him in the final hours.

I for one was very against arnold, though I'm not from california, but I still won't allow false information to be spread.

JV

The system for a "do-over" is already in place. That's why we reelect these people or not every 4 years. The bad precident is jump into the middle of it and buying a do-over, not the fact that it happened. Terms are long enough, and should be long enough, so that if they do screw up they get a chance to fix it, or get voted out next time. It's been working fine so far, and I would wager that the chances of Davis winning in the next official election would be slim. Of course I don't live there, so take me with a grain of salt.

I completely agree that this recall was silly (though for different reasons) My point was that a Recall as an idea is very very important. We need the right to recall someone who is embezzling money, taking bribes, or any illegal activities, or someone that is just so incompetant its not funny.

also this recall is NOT A PRECEDENT, it has happened once before in the early 1900's, so don't act like this is something thats never happened before.

Also how was this recall bought? They had to go around and get all the signatures.... Please explain your accusation, did the recall group pay everyone who signed?

Also Gov, terms are not 4 years, they are 8 I believe, thats a long time to serve under someone who has messed things up horribly, I think that is why you have seen that the only 2 people recalled ever have been governors.

JV

Again, I'm not familiar with California, here in Texas we have a 4 year term for governor, I assume that many states are similar.

While it may have happened before, I like to think that people have been generally more politically responsible in the past. I was listening to the radio this morning, and they were saying that after his concession speech, many of Davis's supporters began chanting "recall! recall!". So yes, I think it is very possible that it will be setting a bad precident to follow.

As for the recall being bought, the drive for people to sign the petition has to come from somewhere, and the funding as well. Look at the websites, commercials, campaigns, it is not just people spontaneously saying "you know, I think I want to recall him..". No, it is not directly paying for signatures, that would put the recall supporters in even more hot water than Davis. Now, I generally tend to have cynical people-views, so to me when you have the Republicans starting up a campaign like this, it doesn't speak "sense of moral duty" to me. But that's my opinion, and you have yours, please feel free to disagree. We didn't start it so we can't say for sure.

Yes, the gubernatorial term is four years not eight.

CALIFORNIA LAY'D BY ARNOLD

Enron E-mails Confirm Schwarzenegger-Ken Lay Meeting

I'm totally disgusted.

...I was talking about his little group sex adventures JV...

I know what you were talking about but what if Rush had just done the exact thing you did, on perhaps a powerful immigrant on the left? Wouldn't he be railroaded? Now your nowhere near as large as Rush (I assume in body size too ) nor was this put on as large a forum, but I bet you would be one of those people asking for his neck, calling him a racist for doing the same thing you did...

Just a wild guess of mine dont' take it to heart, just interesting things I think about.

JV

Actually no. Of course I can't prove it to you but I would probably find it just as funny as you.

I hope the mainstream press picks up this story, but I doubt they will. They've all switched to "Arnold the populist hero" mode.

Oh if this EVER gets anywhere NEAR the main stream media...

That autta teach people not to recall governors who haven't commited a crime, eh?!

ROFL,he hasnt even been sworn in and yo guys ASSume he is a bad governor for sure.

after atleast 2 years which sould be enough time to start fixing the mess davis left then you can call him a bad governor if nothing has changed.

Ah, the essence of simple responses backed by complete stupidity.

Davis didn't create the mess. While of course he didn't help it, it was Enron that started it. Did you know that there was an energy crisis? Did the president know? DID ANYONE KNOW?! How is it Davis' fault that he was trying to respond to an energy crisis that no one knew didn't exist? Recalls are for crimes, not just because you don't like him anymore. Ignorance is not a crime. If it was, half the population would be in jail.

doesnt matter the people decided that the state was in a bad enough condition that maybe a change was needed.

i mean personally i think the whole thing shouldnt have come up really,it defineately sets a bad precedence,but i dont live in cali anyway so its not my choice heh.

lol,i think that every main cast member of the original predator movie should be given a state.

i mean jessie has one and now arnold,and funny thing,that indian guy in the movie is trying to run for kentucky governor ive herad,though he's not real popular i think so i doubt that'll happen.

Darwin,
Here here! If you arent in the north, move here. Lets split the state!

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Whatever ya say boss...



No actually, it DOES matter. It makes ALL the difference. Recalls are designed for crimes, not for ignorant people who we don't like. This all came out of one person's pocket; now is that fair and balanced?


@Misnomer: Indeed! SoCal for Green!

All I can say about the whole thing is ...

LOL!

At least it's entertaining

-AP

I personally think it's great that it is still possible for a person to arrive in this country penniless, barely speaking the language, and thirty years later the only thing left to do is be President. That has always been the American Promise and Dream.

To everyone who was offended by the results of the recall:

Sit back, and watch. "Ahnould" just took on a really difficult job, and if he tanks, the opposition will have a stronger argument for voting him out in 2006.

Personally, I'm about 99% sure he will fail. From what I have read about the California budget recently, its one big twisted mess of mandatory spending with little wiggle room. I seriously doubt that a man who has never run for as much as dog catcher can fix it, and keep everyone happy.

Some may argue that an outsider is exactly what California needs. However, one very obivious truth about the lives of career politicians is that you cut deals to get ahead. There are no saints in high political office. Somewhere, you sell your soul to gain an alliance. Swarzy (as the French call him) went from zero to Governor-Elect overnight, so he probably lacks the alliances a real career politician in his position would have.

My point is that if you lack alliances, you lack the support of those under you, and since he's dealing with lots of Democrats, he will have a difficult time getting them to see things his way.

Ok, first of all, Arnold wasn't exactly a penniless immigrent like he says. He was 4 time Mr. Olympia in Austria and came to America with the promise of a movie deal. He had professional English tutors even. While he was an immigrant, he did do more than a little exagerating.

The only way to fix things in California is to a). raise the absurdly low property taxes, which ain't gonna happen, b). collect sales tax on all the things that are being bought on the internet, which may very well happen, and c). get everyone working and paying their income taxes again - that is happening but not fast enough.

Wow you guys really are pretty left wing here, you forgot the option that is the best one.

Cut the insanely amount of wasted money California spends

JV

Well he did start his life penniless, he has done quite well for himself, but of course we just have to attack him because he's republican, now if he was a democrat or even green you might support him.

Don't say "no I still wouldn't" because you don't really really know that because it isn't happening.

Either way the recall and him being elected was the rights biggest mistake ever.

JV

No no no, if they change the constitution (which should never be done unless it is entirely needed), to allow him to run I will be furious, allowing outside people to run could be very dangerous.

While this may be paranoia and a bit conspiracy theory like, it is possible imagine this scenario.

Al Queda or even some other enemy sends a white typical president type they recruited (they got that american kid, it could happen) they send him over finance him get him into politics, maybe he could get the presidency someday, while they could try to do that with an american it is highly more likely to succeed with a foreigner. Its just a dangerous thing.

If someone wants to move to america so their kids can have a shot at president fine, but we should not allow immigrants to run, a president needs to be loyal to America only.

JV